When I go to Mexico to visit my fiancé usually her parents talk about the corruption in Mexico. (Last time was because I guess a cartel stopped allowing people to sell avocados. So they couldn’t go to the street markets and buy avocados in Ecatepec.) When I speak to them that I think there should be a war against the cartels and purge the government of corrupt officials in bed with cartels; they usually just say “it won’t work, there’s nothing that can be done about it at this point”.
With my American mind I can’t comprehend that there’s simply nothing that can be done.
So more or less, would you guys support the possible methods I spoke of already, or is there any ideas that you all have towards the cartel/ corruption issues.
*im not sure why this is turning into an attack on me for being American. I never said I have the solution, I never said it’s simple, I never said America doesn’t aid cartels. I’m only asking people of mexico if their own ideas of what can be done. I’m editing out the few ideas I put since the focus of the conversation is focused on that. My intentions are to hear others ideas. Any comments going after me for being an “uneducated American” I’m just going to ignore. I’m asking about ideas, not arguments.
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Well my dude nothing can be done cause americans keep buying. Simple as that
Money is what keeps the machine going as drugs by themselves have no value.
A ‘war’ would bring a lot of collateral damage without addressing the issue that you kill a narco and other 2 show up to get the business going so at this point , ain’t much to be done
Make your drugs laws like singapore and you will see a sustantial change, which of course also comes with heavy colateral damage .
The only group of people that are worse than drug dealers in Mexico are the politicians, so no way would we trust someone trying to pull off something like that.
No, neither. I don’t want megaprisons operated by our government and I don’t want the reckless, wanton actions of the US. We have a problem. Undeniably so. Our previous tactics haven’t worked well. That’s clear. But we shouldn’t resort to extreme tactics. I’m up for cooperation with the US and other countries where the drug trade has an impact, but direct military action? That’s like saying Chicago and other US cities with gang activity should have military interventions.
Can your American mind comprehend that we aren’t armed meanwhile your country arms our cartel? You think we wouldn’t love to take control of out country?
America keeps the cartels in business bro. Second you should watch Narcos for a basic run down of the history of the cartels and US involvement, Mexican politicians off the money. Lastly Mexico’s security chief is already planning an operation to crack down in quite a few regions to go after leadership, read the news more too.
El Salvador and Mexico’s situations are not comparable, and people really need to stop thinking one size fits all here. If there is one thing we in the good old US of A are good at, it’s fucking up Latin America.
There isn’t even the political will to solve the problem.
The war on drugs has always been a vile simulation.
And confronting these criminal organizations is not easy, especially when there is collusion at all levels of government.
The only ones who will pay the price will be the citizens, with more violence and more deaths.
In some first-world countries, drug trafficking is tolerated to a certain extent, as long as they do not intimidate civil society, but here that line was crossed long ago.
PhD Karina García in her book Morir es un alivio, talks about narco war and how US issues has been spreading to Mexico. This is not something related only to Mexico and cartel, it’s about money and power that no one wants to lose, therefore this won’t be over with people in jail, this is related about business, politicals, weapons, etc. Big industries who won’t try to make money.
https://mexicotoday.com/2021/09/17/opinion-mexico-when-dying-is-a-relief/
So, in your mind these are the only two options?
Would you also consider the current strategy?
You may think all you need is law enforcement, but this is a social problem rooted in our culture and extendes beyond our borders. Your people are also part of the problem. Remember, supply will always be there as long as demand exists. So you need to do your homework too.
This is not a simple problem that can be solved with linear thinking.
Neither. I want the US to stop buying drugs and selling arms to the cartels, the problem is impossible to fix otherwise, it’s like trying to put out a fire while the US keeps throwing logs and gas at it.
It would be helpful too if the Mexican government legalize drugs and forbids or moderates media supporting cartel behavior, like narco corridos.
The whole “just use the US military” is way too simplistic and without cooperation with the Mexican govt will likely lead to incredible amounts of collateral lives lost. If you think thats worth it then i guess thats your prerogative.
However i find it lazy that Americans want to do everything except tackle drug consumption in the United States. Nothing will change until we stop propping up the cartels with billions in profits no matter how much military we use. Mexico does not have a consumption problem, and most of their weapons originate from the US.
I personally am not even that anti 2nd amendment but i do believe we should help crack down on the weapons making it south of the border.
Bukuele is being successful largely because lets face it, El Salvador is a small country and hes been able to consolidate power as well. The real test is going to be if he can sustain this long term.
Im fine with the US and Mexico cooperating more but thats also going to have to include economic policy that elevates the standard of living in Mexico especially to disincentivize joining the cartel. And for Americans as well, i truly believe the economic situation in the US has deteriorated to the point that its a main cause for drug consumption.
Again, all for being “harsher on crime” but its gotta be part of a larger strategy
When the mafia was at its heyday in USA, did you go to war with it? Did the army take to the streets, did they carpet bomb cities?
The cartels sell their stuff in USA. Why don’t you start by going to war with them there? See how that works.
Purging corrupt officials just replaces them with other corrupt officials. Cartels and corruption exist for a reason, and usually that reason is economic. Or to put it bluntly, there are too many people living in poverty, with no legal way out of that poverty.
It’s much more complex than that of course. Including the long history of Mexico. But if you earn 400 dollars a month, with no way to earn more, you don’t really need to think about the complexities when offered a better solution.
A police officer in USA gets paid an average of 80k USD year. A Mexican police officer us paid an average of 9k a year. You think there’d be a single corrupt police officer in Mexico if they got paid 80k a year?
There would be, cuz they’d try and get all those jobs to their friends and family. They wouldn’t take money from cartels though.
So, the problem here is that your american mind cannot comprehend anything. Which is why you have Trump.
Just ask yourself at what point would you start selling drugs. Or take a bribe. Go as low as you need, because answer surely isn’t never. And there’s a lot of people in mexico who are at that point. Shooting them doesn’t solve anything.
How did your last wars turned out, unitedstatian? Care to remind us?
15 years, how many trillions of dollars and almost 2 million people killed and how’s Iraq and Afghanistan lately? Worth it? For them? For you?
Nah, thank you. We americans are not as gullible and controlled by industrial-military interests as you, unitedstatians.
If I may say, you want to see Latin America better? Then keep your hand away from it, thank you.
A Bukele type president will not fix the problems of Mexico. Although MS13 and 18st were heavily influenced by Chicano gangs which is why they don the tattoos that is not something the cartel does. The Cartel may employe some tattooed gang members as soldiers/sicarios but it’s very rare you’ll see a boss that’s tatted up. This will make it harder to round everybody up.
Another thing is United States does nothing for free. If the United States were to enter Mexico to eradicate the cartels you better believe they are going after resources and will have their hand in the cookie jar just like they have done so in the past to Mexico and many other countries. And even then the problem will probably still continue.
The problem will only get better when American parents teach their kids to be leaders instead of followers and losers. The same Mexicans they hate are rolling in money and living a life they can only imagine meanwhile they are killing themselves with fentanyl and playing victim. As far as other options perhaps death penalty for all drug traffickers and cartel members, and strict laws against drug use.
Mexican men are cowards. They are not brave enough to defend their own neighborhoods from cartels. They are only brave enough to abandon women and families for bigamous relationships. They leave mexican women to raise cowardly, emasculated men because they are afraid that strong men take the country back from the women who dominate their homes. It will be up to Mexican-Americans in the US military to save Mexico from the cartel.
Before anyone comments, I am former military. I have fought the cartels and lived to fight again. They were nothing compared to ISIS, and ISIS was easy as pie.