Fine him more. Once he loses his “richest man in the world” status, you know he will fall apart. He will get more desperate to become relevant again and make more mistakes. Declare some absurd shit about how he figured a way to get to mars, hop on the ship, and then fuckin blow up when he accidentally goes the wrong way towards Venus.
I think it should be 10 times that. Destroying that man’s fortune is quite possibly one of the most important steps in ensuring global democracy survives the decade.
Of course, if someone wants to Gordian knot this shit and take out the man himself….
Wouldn’t cutting out his tongue be a more appropriate response? At a minimum, he should be tarred and feathered. Holding him financially accountable for his actions is the same as not holding him accountable. This is like a millionaire dealing with a parking ticket.
It should be much much more. He didn’t buy twitter for the fun of it. He bought it to use as a microphone for right wing extremist bullshit. All of his companies should be banned outside of the U.S., not just twitter, because he is a proven bad actor. If you think he’s not going to play games with starlink too, you’re mistaken.
Clown world. Who’s to say the EU isn’t filling us with disinformation. Every nation on earth controls the flow of information and controls the public narrative. Entire military regiments are dedicated to information warfare. I’m sure both musk and the EU are guilty of the same thing.
I love the fact that he will be fined. I hate the fact that it is a) peanuts for him and b) X is not shut down completely, especially after the stunts he pulled in Germany and the UK.
We have enough problems in the EU without turning it into the shitshow that is the US. They are exporting their hateful and harmful ideologies and we have to put an end to it. Not only Musk but also those evangelical nutjobs funding European counterparts in their anti-abortion rhetoric.
I used to think that banning or fining a platform always is wrong, free speech is important.
But now I see that twitter is an environment where free speech is gone. If a user can not criticise the platform or their owner, it just just tool for propaganda. Therefore, I think Nazi-Twitter should be fined or even better, banned in the EU.
In support of it but the punishment should be harsher, it keep being shown to us that we can’t tolerate a misinformation campaign. People are letting their children get the measles because they think vaccines cause autism. Russian misinformation lead to Trump and Elon musk is trying to make the world a far worst place with his spreading misinformation
Glorious. Should have been more. Enough to make him get out of the market throwing a tantrum like the spoiled man child he is. And this is coming from an American.
The amount of Americans in here who don’t understand how the EU doesn’t F around, treats workers with real rights, universal health, time off, etc and limits corporate influence…the US could learn a thing or two about having actual balls and representing their citizens.
Definitely not enough, but it’s a good start. Nice to see someone holding others accountable for disinformation and it needs to extend to every President and policymaker. It’s crazy what these assholes are getting away with.
I think we have to have a better understanding of what ‘speech’ really means when we talk about ‘free speech’ because I don’t think that spreading fake information in order to manipulate people should be considered speech.
There’s no question that social media can be harmful. Very much so. The question is how you balance regulation against truly harmful content with political pressure to censor those with whom you disagree.
Honestly? It’s about time someone called his bluff with actual consequences. Musk turned X into a free-for-all disinfo machine, wrapped it in “free speech,” and assumed no one would have the guts to push back. The EU just reminded him that if you profit off chaos, you’re not above the law — especially when that chaos undermines democracies.
Fair game IMO. Taxing these tech giants has proved very difficult and yet they are allowed to make billions in the EU and the UK. The US is always trying to pressure the UK and the EU to reduce taxes on these giants. If the shortcut to fixing the tax situation is maximizing fines then so be it.
I would have a bit more sympathy for Musk and his so called hard core “free speech” assertions if X did not just ban people whenever he decides they do not agree with him.
As it is, the EU is one of the few institutions with the power to stand up to him and his friends in the White House’s bullying.
Governments need to recognize that any financial penalties must scale with the criminal’s wealth to have any meaningful impact. Otherwise, it becomes a punishment for the poor and a business expense for the wealthy. For a person living paycheck to paycheck, $5000 is devastating. For the wealthy, that’s splurging.
He needs to be struck even harder so that any future wannabe oligarch would think twice before doing stupid crap like this. The rich and stupid want to run the show. Put them in their place.
I wish people could be sued in the US for posting false information as he has done on purpose. It is not a limit on free speech. Free speech should have consequences. You can say or publish whatever you want, but free speech does not mean that afterwards there cannot be legal/civil ramifications. Further, you have to abide by a country’s laws if you do business there or if you visit, live or travel there. He makes sure he follows the rules or laws in China because it benefits him financially. So why shouldn’t he have to follow the laws of European countries?
I’m tired of these wealthy pricks just being slapped on the wrist for seriously fucking shit up and committing crimes that would end regular peoples’ livelihoods.
I’m so tired of this “legal for a price” bullshit.
Ban him from doing business in the EU. Ban his platform in the EU. Ban his vehicles in the EU. Tax the fuck out of him. Put him in prison.
It should be “play by the rules, or you don’t get to play”.
It’s a tough problem of the modern world. Studies show disinformation / misinformation spreads further and faster on sites like Twitter. What does that mean for the future of media? How do we combat it? What do we do if someone is intentionally spreading disinformation?
And importantly: how do we balance that out with free speech?
It should be more, and it should def include him personally as so much came from his personal twitter account. Should also include some high level regulations to prevent the same disinformation in the future with steep penalties for violations. He benefits from the lies, so make them expensive enough to negate those benefits.
Not enough. Make it recurring with interest (say, recurring annually at double the prime rate) until he’s made full restitution. And add another 25% as punitive damages.
I know reddit doesn’t want to hear this, but I really don’t like governments enacting penalties for “misinformation”.
There’s room for cases, like libel and slander and defamation, where the legal justifications are pretty narrow and have to be fully vetted.
Basically, do you want someone like Donald Trump to determine what is “disinformation”? Because someday the EU might have their own Donald Trump, and now they can levy billion-dollar fines to anyone they wish.
We should do this in America. Fairness doctrine is needed, especially with the prevalence of social media and now AI. It is beyond clear that the populace is vulnerable to propaganda and needs to be protected from it.
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Seems sensible
He should be barred from doing business in the EU too. A billion dollars is nothing to this shithead.
Good and correct.
Should be higher
Does anyone really believe he’ll pay any of that fine?
It’s a start
It should be more.
More of that please.
Yes please, and more?
That fine is to low. To him that’s just the cost to spread more lies.
This is literally /r/politics now
They should invite him to Europe to talk about it, then do the whole world a solid when he gets there. With a giant vat of boiling oil or something.
Good. Bar him from any business in the EU as well.
Big crybaby.
I’m a huge fan of punishing people for this kind of thing. If you don’t have a fundamental commitment to truthfulness you don’t have a civilization.
Seems like BS to me.
Politicians in every country lie and misrepresent facts all day everyday.
Fine all politicians $1Billion I guess. What a capricious and politically targeted ‘fine’.
Don’t pay. Won’t pay.
Fine him more. Once he loses his “richest man in the world” status, you know he will fall apart. He will get more desperate to become relevant again and make more mistakes. Declare some absurd shit about how he figured a way to get to mars, hop on the ship, and then fuckin blow up when he accidentally goes the wrong way towards Venus.
Who exactly determines what ‘disinformation’ is?
Great start, but the fine should be higher and it would be cool if some jail time was attached
I think it should be 10 times that. Destroying that man’s fortune is quite possibly one of the most important steps in ensuring global democracy survives the decade.
Of course, if someone wants to Gordian knot this shit and take out the man himself….
EU being against free speech? WOW who would hav guessed‽
Should be more but I’m biased bc I hate him
Ask Reddit? You mean ask the echo chamber?
Honestly, great news, though it should have been for 100 Billion. Fines should be commensurate with wealth or they are toothless.
Elon is a liar, a manipulator, and a conspirator, and he uses bribery to convert followers. He should be locked up
Light. They should just block X
Wouldn’t cutting out his tongue be a more appropriate response? At a minimum, he should be tarred and feathered. Holding him financially accountable for his actions is the same as not holding him accountable. This is like a millionaire dealing with a parking ticket.
Insufficient
I feel like we need to hit this fuck harder
Not enough!
Good.
Rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up.
1 billion dollars. He wouldn’t even notice that.
It’s a start…
I don’t think they’ll get it, though.
It should be much much more. He didn’t buy twitter for the fun of it. He bought it to use as a microphone for right wing extremist bullshit. All of his companies should be banned outside of the U.S., not just twitter, because he is a proven bad actor. If you think he’s not going to play games with starlink too, you’re mistaken.
If X did it then fine them, they could have moderators but ditched that idea so fine companies that don’t follow EU law.
Likely deserved. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy, lol.
Not enough, X should be banned, He must be declared persona non grata
Should be more and ban him and all of his shitty products from EU.
Good.
A: It sounds like the EU hasn’t been purchased by Putin.
Fine him 5% of his net worth
Honestly that is pocket change to him, make it $100 billion it has to HURT to effect change
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Clown world. Who’s to say the EU isn’t filling us with disinformation. Every nation on earth controls the flow of information and controls the public narrative. Entire military regiments are dedicated to information warfare. I’m sure both musk and the EU are guilty of the same thing.
Should be 2 billion
It’s a decent start
I love the fact that he will be fined. I hate the fact that it is a) peanuts for him and b) X is not shut down completely, especially after the stunts he pulled in Germany and the UK.
We have enough problems in the EU without turning it into the shitshow that is the US. They are exporting their hateful and harmful ideologies and we have to put an end to it. Not only Musk but also those evangelical nutjobs funding European counterparts in their anti-abortion rhetoric.
It’s a good start in the right direction.
It isn’t nearly enough. It should be 1000x that for the damage Leon has done to the USA. His businesses should be seized, and he should be in prison.
X is a cesspool of racist garbage and should be blocked everywhere.
I used to think that banning or fining a platform always is wrong, free speech is important.
But now I see that twitter is an environment where free speech is gone. If a user can not criticise the platform or their owner, it just just tool for propaganda. Therefore, I think Nazi-Twitter should be fined or even better, banned in the EU.
I love the EU but twitter is only about hate.
Weg den Dreck!
How about $100 billion
He was right when he said comedy is back, just not the way he intended…
Ban the new hitler musk. Had 2 Tesla’s both now gone. He should look at history and see where being an aggressive dictator gets you.
Fine away. Ban X in Europe, hurt him some more.
Fuck!! I wish US were not the bad guys
How do you feel about garlic?
I would prefer he didn’t pay and face more serious consequences. Like barring him and his companies from Europe.
He is fined too little.
In support of it but the punishment should be harsher, it keep being shown to us that we can’t tolerate a misinformation campaign. People are letting their children get the measles because they think vaccines cause autism. Russian misinformation lead to Trump and Elon musk is trying to make the world a far worst place with his spreading misinformation
$1B isn’t a big enough fine. That’s like taking 50c from a man with a $100 bill in his pocket.
Seems light. They should tack on some inconvenience fees or something
Every country should do it, by the time all of the fines go through he’ll just be worth 390 billion dollars
Add 4 more Zeros to the 1 and its perfect
A slap on the hand for Musk. The fine is commensurate with his great wealth
I feel like I’d be a lot happier if it was 10b. Per instance they’re found breaching the legislation.
Oh, that would put them out of business?
What.
A.
Shame.
What are they going to do if he doesn’t pay?
It’s not close to enough.
No one is above the law.
I love it. A billion dollars is a lot I don’t care how rich you are.
It sends a message.
Elon Musk should be deported from Earth.
Make it ten and we’ll call it a good start.
I think it’s a good start.
Glorious. Should have been more. Enough to make him get out of the market throwing a tantrum like the spoiled man child he is. And this is coming from an American.
He’s done a lot more than 1 billion in damage. Many of those ppl infected by his lies will not recover in their lifetime.
Good. More of this, please
Those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump those up!
It’s a good start
It’s a start, but he needs to be in prison for all his crimes.
Good start
He has over 400 billion dollars.
It’s like me having $400 in my pocket and giving a kid $1 for a glass of lemonade.
Of course, he will pay it to avoid his companies being banned.
Fines do not bother billionaires.
The amount of Americans in here who don’t understand how the EU doesn’t F around, treats workers with real rights, universal health, time off, etc and limits corporate influence…the US could learn a thing or two about having actual balls and representing their citizens.
That’s a decent fine. Make him pay it or seize accounts to do so. And then watch him do it again. Another billion in fines, and so on.
Definitely not enough, but it’s a good start. Nice to see someone holding others accountable for disinformation and it needs to extend to every President and policymaker. It’s crazy what these assholes are getting away with.
It’s a good start.
Disappointed it’s only a billion
Every Country should do the same.
It should be a fine of a percentage of his net worth.
I am totally fine with the fine…..
I think we have to have a better understanding of what ‘speech’ really means when we talk about ‘free speech’ because I don’t think that spreading fake information in order to manipulate people should be considered speech.
He just won’t pay and then will get banned.
There’s no question that social media can be harmful. Very much so. The question is how you balance regulation against truly harmful content with political pressure to censor those with whom you disagree.
Only 1 billion? That’s pretty cheap to buy the whole world essentially.
Honestly? It’s about time someone called his bluff with actual consequences. Musk turned X into a free-for-all disinfo machine, wrapped it in “free speech,” and assumed no one would have the guts to push back. The EU just reminded him that if you profit off chaos, you’re not above the law — especially when that chaos undermines democracies.
He and Zuckerberg too. They are literally destroying democracy (which is their end goal).
Fair game IMO. Taxing these tech giants has proved very difficult and yet they are allowed to make billions in the EU and the UK. The US is always trying to pressure the UK and the EU to reduce taxes on these giants. If the shortcut to fixing the tax situation is maximizing fines then so be it.
too little too late
Happy to raise that higher.
Not enough. Twitter should be banned, it’s a cesspit.
Rookie numbers. It needs to make a dent. 100 billion, and a timeline to correct or X is banned in the EU.
Countries need to be going to war vs musk. He’s a threat to the west
It should have been more.
Now we know the cost of lying and spreading disinformation.
He has about all the power possible, seems like a good deal.
not harsh enough.
I would have a bit more sympathy for Musk and his so called hard core “free speech” assertions if X did not just ban people whenever he decides they do not agree with him.
As it is, the EU is one of the few institutions with the power to stand up to him and his friends in the White House’s bullying.
Governments need to recognize that any financial penalties must scale with the criminal’s wealth to have any meaningful impact. Otherwise, it becomes a punishment for the poor and a business expense for the wealthy. For a person living paycheck to paycheck, $5000 is devastating. For the wealthy, that’s splurging.
He needs to be struck even harder so that any future wannabe oligarch would think twice before doing stupid crap like this. The rich and stupid want to run the show. Put them in their place.
Europe once again proving that they don’t have freedom of speech.
Should be more. His disinformation has in part already cost the US trillions.
1 billion dollars won’t fix the damage he did in our society using disinformation.
It’s a nice start.
I wish people could be sued in the US for posting false information as he has done on purpose. It is not a limit on free speech. Free speech should have consequences. You can say or publish whatever you want, but free speech does not mean that afterwards there cannot be legal/civil ramifications. Further, you have to abide by a country’s laws if you do business there or if you visit, live or travel there. He makes sure he follows the rules or laws in China because it benefits him financially. So why shouldn’t he have to follow the laws of European countries?
I’m tired of these wealthy pricks just being slapped on the wrist for seriously fucking shit up and committing crimes that would end regular peoples’ livelihoods.
I’m so tired of this “legal for a price” bullshit.
Ban him from doing business in the EU. Ban his platform in the EU. Ban his vehicles in the EU. Tax the fuck out of him. Put him in prison.
It should be “play by the rules, or you don’t get to play”.
not enough.
Should be 100 billion.
It’s a start!
Can we start calling it lies instead of misinformation?
I love it!
These shit heads need a kick in the balls from everywhere, EU, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan, Korea, China…
Good. But its not enough. Elon admitted that he bought Twitter in order to control “the narrative”. Now he uses it to radicalize nazis. Fuck him.
It’s a tough problem of the modern world. Studies show disinformation / misinformation spreads further and faster on sites like Twitter. What does that mean for the future of media? How do we combat it? What do we do if someone is intentionally spreading disinformation?
And importantly: how do we balance that out with free speech?
He’s a POS which is an insult to 💩
It seems like a slap on the wrist, but a step in the right direction.
Not high enough. Not enough damage to him. Keep him out of everything. Take away his power and ability to go anywhere or buy anything.
Musk should be arrested
Why only $1 billion?
According to google he makes around 54m a day, 1B is not high enough. It’s a good warning shot though.
It should be more, and it should def include him personally as so much came from his personal twitter account. Should also include some high level regulations to prevent the same disinformation in the future with steep penalties for violations. He benefits from the lies, so make them expensive enough to negate those benefits.
More!
They have better laws than the US has. That’s for damn sure.
Should be 20billion. 1 billion is chump change. 20 billion is half what twitter is worth
Should have been more and asking him to go to trial in south Africa so we can finally rid ourselves of him in the US.
Baby steps
Not enough. Make it recurring with interest (say, recurring annually at double the prime rate) until he’s made full restitution. And add another 25% as punitive damages.
Why not each country in the EU?
Companies have to follow the rules of the nation’s in which they operate. It’s an absolute no brainer. X deserves the fine.
I know reddit doesn’t want to hear this, but I really don’t like governments enacting penalties for “misinformation”.
There’s room for cases, like libel and slander and defamation, where the legal justifications are pretty narrow and have to be fully vetted.
Basically, do you want someone like Donald Trump to determine what is “disinformation”? Because someday the EU might have their own Donald Trump, and now they can levy billion-dollar fines to anyone they wish.
Should be higher for the generational impact and cost to society. The amount needs to be enough to bankrupt him and show it won’t be tolerated.
Seems like kind of a low amount given how much disinformation he is responsible for.
We should do this in America. Fairness doctrine is needed, especially with the prevalence of social media and now AI. It is beyond clear that the populace is vulnerable to propaganda and needs to be protected from it.
I think that is fine, provided they are not just picking on him. Fine all news outlets for disinformation. Do not cherry pick.
If billionaires exist, and their influence is created by their money and wealth……their fines should be at a minimum 90% of their current wealth.
When the punishment is only money, it’s legal for the right price.
Germany, specifically, doesn’t screw around with defamation/hate speech/holocaust denial or foreign surveillance.
They should make that double
LOVE IT. This is news to me
20 billion and 1 year in jail.
Fuck that nepo-pig!!!
thumbs up
Should have fined him 10 times that for misinformation and everything else he’s done with DOGE
F this guy
I would love for Europe to take the trash out.
Seems low