I’m watching “Adolescence” on Netflix and I catch myself wondering if I wouldn’t have been caught up in the Manosphere bs if it were around when I was 13.
I’m watching “Adolescence” on Netflix and I catch myself wondering if I wouldn’t have been caught up in the Manosphere bs if it were around when I was 13.
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Personally, no. Not because I’m any less susceptible by nature but because my parents had me actively participating in various communities growing up. Church (LDS outside of Utah), scouts, school clubs, sports, neighborhood playgroups, etc
Diversity and community, I think inoculate people against these attitudes in the same way that social isolation makes you more susceptible.
It’s a big part of the reason why I’ve turned into a taxi service for my kids, it’s worth it for them to feel part of things and to experience other peoples’ lives.
Considering I was involved in that when I was that age 100%
It was a thing in the 2000s. Let’s not pretend like it wasn’t
Spent 2006-2010 on /b/
No, I grew up with actual men in my life. My dad, Uncles, parents of my friends and to a lesser degree coaches and teachers. My own sons had very few male teachers, the nature of daily life changed so we did significantly less face to face socializing. More and more boys are raised by their mothers. And somehow we all got the feminine notion that physical safety is more important than fun. My kid had one lousy bike accident that drew blood when he was about 6 and he still talks about it like he stormed the beaches at Normandy. I agree with any reasonable person that MORTAL danger should be avoided, but treating a boy like he’s a delicate flower is a mistake being made far too often.
No 😂
There’s a gender identity crisis.
People get sucked into anything where they feel a deficit.
Men feel disconnected from their gender identity. Transwomen want to connect with theirs.
If everyone felt at peace with themselves, society would rocket.
Good question. Possibly yes given that I ended up being nearly sucked into it in my mid 20s anyway when the skeptic community got going and holding up caricatures of feminism and then tearing them down was the cool thing to be doing on YouTube. I followed along with people like Sargon for a year or two before his politics spread a bit further and, thanks to his lying and economic illiteracy about Brexit, I was able to see the whole thing for what it was.
I observed around the same time that contrary to what was shown on YouTube, no ordinary women were walking through life attempting to castrate me or make my life miserable. They were in fact just getting on with their own business and wanted to be equal in doing so. And at that point I woke up and went into therapy to deal with the insecurity that had thrown me into all that to start with.
Had it happened when I was younger, I think maybe I would not have been so lucky and could have lost some years to some dark thoughts and places, and would have contributed to the making society a less pleasant place. Although I still think I’d have come out the other side of it. None of that shit really has any answers, eventually you do see through it if you’re honest enough with yourself.
I think the only reason I wasn’t at the time was because I was surrounded by a lot of very wonderful, strong women in my life. Women whose reaction defaulted to patience, sympathy, and grace I might not have really deserved. If, instead, their reaction had been to ostracize and humiliate…yeah, almost guarenteed I fear.
Wtf is the manosphere, I’m a millennial and just heard this term
No cause I don’t find it hard to see these people as grifters & losers. It’s glaringly obvious to me. Take Trump , the apprentice was on when I was in high school. Right away I pinned him as a narcissistic a-hole and couldn’t stand him. That opinion holds true now 20 years later
The worst I got was that pickup artist Strauss who had the popular book about picking up women and negging. That whole era.
I think there was even a movie about it too. Anyway, after about 6 months I checked out of the scene.
Naw probably not. I was all about trying to get pussy. The red pill, manosphere is a repellant.
Remember the Pickup Artist tomfoolery?
So glad this stuff didn’t exist really before I was 30 or I’d have easily lost out on some relationships. Manosphere stuff is predatory and mostly snake oil besides the physical health portions.
No. There were dufus dudes back then too.
I don’t think I would have. My upbringing had me cross paths with real world versions of people just like that, and it was jarring to me. I grew up in a very rural area in New England and there were people that were very misogynist as well as racist, even as a kid I would cross paths with them because they were Dad’s of friends, owned a local shop, etc.
It always just triggered something in my head “oh that person is just trying to control other people”. I’m sure some people could see admiration in the power of that, but the punk side of me that was bullied as a kid immediately thought “fuck that guy”.
However, a lot of my punk sensibilities came from being a smaller kid and getting bullied. My mom was the one that basically taught me to avoid a fight, but if they force you into one, there’s gentleman’s agreement any more. So if I had to fight, I got very dirty. So to have your mom of all people teach you this as a kid, probably made it very difficult to come out of my childhood with any misogynist or even racist views.
Hard to say, I was very religious back then but with a heavy focus on “Jesus, love, compassion, and mercy,” rather than sin and judgment. So large parts of manosphere content I would have considered to be immoral and un Christ-like.
Some of it, though, would have truly saved me a lot of time and heart ache. Like, if I could have read No More Mr Nice Guy at 13 then maybe I wouldn’t have spent the next 7 years waiting around for one girl to finally choose me (and then cheat on me later).
My religious upbringing put women on a pedestal and then merged that pedestal with feminism’s support of women. It took Red Pill content and a lot of heartbreak to finally understand what I was doing, because no one in my life was gunna explain it.
Hmmm…I don’t think so I grew up more rural so it was more men and women who had roles in the family. It was defined and people looked out for each other, even the guys a few years above us made sure we weren’t acting like dickheads towards women/men.
Great series btw
I spent a lot of time on imageboards when I was young and wasn’t particularly well adjusted. But I also came from a good family and had men who were good, kind examples in life. For me it became a lot easier to see how bullshit the stuff they said was when the misogyny started to get tied into politics and every position they associated with was counter-factual and anti-intellectual.
Nope. That shit was around just not the same way as it is now. Influencers as we know them now weren’t really a thing yet but there were still plenty of racist, misogynist, manosphere shithole forums back then. 4 chan was arguably in its heyday then.
Also you had shit like the jersey shore and other trash T. They seem like a caricature of toxic shit to most normal people that had decent real world influences but there are plenty of people who took gym, tan, laundry and based their masculinity on how many “bitches” they can get.
There are plenty of cons to being a man. Especially a younger man. It is no different than a woman seeking feminism.
Adolescence is not a true historical documentary and many things have been changed to fit a writers Netflix show.
About 10 years ago I almost got sucked into it after my divorce and a buddy suggested I start reading some books about it. My ex had cheated on me multiple times. I probably still have one or two books on it in my basement. I did debate following MGTOW for a while and followed the subreddit for a time.
Now I just roll my eyes every time I see people bring up red pill philosophies online.
Nah, I have a brain.
This is not a new thing.
I don’t want to admit it but it’s possible. No real role model, unsure where to turn. I even got into that stupid fucking book The Game for a stretch in a past life so it’s not out of the question.
There are so many problems out there now it’s like a firehose but I know for damn sure it never hurts to have an involved dad, but beyond involved, one who isn’t terrifying and authoritarian to their kids. If there’s a real connection there, this kind of stuff will be choked out.
No. Half of my high school friends were girls. The easiest way to avoid falling into misogynist bullshit is to be friends with women. And I mean actual friends, not girls you’re just trying to get with.
The biggest problem with manosphere viewers is that they don’t see women as fellow humans. They just view them as sex objects whose entire point is to attract men. The idea that men could enjoy being platonic friends with women is unfathomable to them.
Definitely. There’s pipelines to it for nerds with video games and fighting fans with MMA. I loved both in high school so I definitely would have been sucked in.
Maybe when I was in high school, but I would have grown out of it a few years later.
Everyone is susceptible to manipulation and influence if you get them the right way at the right time. You’re kidding yourself, or just incorrect if you think you’re too smart for it
“Adolescence” is dumb and you should feel dumb for believing that drivel. Everyone wants to hate on men and boys nowadays, and although there are role models that suck… they’re offering some form of positivity. Of course it’s going to be attractive to boys. It’s not like in the Netflix show, though.
Tell me who’s talking about masculinity nowadays that isn’t referring to it as something toxic.
No. Girls I grew up with weren’t toxic like the manosphere describes. I would have no reason to buy into that shit. I mean just think about what we saw on social media back then, it was much more wholesome
I don’t know what makes you think it didn’t exist before. Dive bars and sport clubs used to play the same role as online communities do today.
I strongly doubt it. Assuming I remember accurately what my younger self was like, I remember I’ve always greatly disliked being “into” one’s gender.
I’ve never liked the idea of making whether you happened to be a man or a woman (or boy or girl) a big part of your identity and getting all rah-rah about being that gender. My attitude is: I’m a boy or man, OK, let’s talk about something much more interesting, like lasers or psychic powers (well, psychic powers was interesting when I was that age!).
Is that feminism but for insecure dudes?
I’d caution against thinking only young people get sucked in. Rogan, Tate, Qanon, “Trad”, and whatever new wacky conspiracies people are believing these days are all linked and target men of all ages.
So many men in their 30s have stories of losing their fathers and mentors to the Covid conspiracy rabbit hole.
It’s not just young men we need to look out for. It’s all of us.
In my 40s now. I was an edgy little twit.
I absolutely think I would have gone full red pill. Like it scares me to think about how I would have turned out. Thank God I’m not 20 years younger.
No. I actually like women. I’m a white collar professional with a white collar professional mother and a white collar professional older sister. I went to college with smart women. I always worked with white collar professional women. My leisure activities like skiing are mostly white collar Roman. Once I gained self confidence and experience in my early 20s, I never had any trouble finding women who were my socioeconomic equal to date and move towards establishing long term relationships.
Nah, that whole “Alpha Movement” bullshit is hilarious. Nothing like having some soft ass chinless wonder or a steroid user try to tell you that being a belligerent asshole equates masculinity or superiority while they sell you unregulated boner pills or some TRT 😆
It’s a trap for the non-thinkers. “It’s not your shit personality that makes you alone; women are the problem!” 🤡