With the surge of far right policies and rise of incel behaviour online, I was wondering if it reflects in real life. My country is pretty misogynistic and it can’t really get any worse for us so I can’t tell if there’s been a change but there might be a difference elsewhere
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I’m a man so not qualified to answer from a 1st hand perspective but from what I gather from conversations with female family and friends, it seems to be a bit of a mixed bag.
In some ways men are generally more respectful of women but the creeps have gotten creepier and feel entitled to be creepier.
At least that’s what I’ve heard.
Not really.
If anything a rise in traditionalism. No hate, no disrespect, the traditional women also want to work and the traditional men also appreciate a working woman, but its more focused around “Family, religion, children”.
The people that behave like “Alpha sigma males” who tell the women to make a sandwich because “that’s the women’s job” are a very loud minority who have a podcast…
Yes, absolutely and I think it’s even worse in the younger generation. Some of the stuff my younger nieces are telling me about is shocking.
I didn’t notice the significant rise of antifeminism here before war. But after war gender wars intensified. It is largely because of draft.
Unsure.
My father is a massive misogynist, but he’s a piece of shit overall.
By apart that, I can’t really think of other examples from personal experience.
I wouldn’t say a rise, Romania has always been a pretty misogynistic country.
Edit: that’s not to say that all men are misogynists, every country has horrible people and wonderful people. But there are surveys that show 50-60% of Romanians (both men and women) believe that the husband / father has the right to use violence to impose his point of view, has a right to decide which friends his wife / kids are allowed to have and how they spend their money, and that rape is justifiable if the woman was dressed provocatively or was drunk / high, in other words it’s the victim’s fault.
Apparently here in Finland middle school teachers are having tough conversations with teenage boys whose idol is Andrew Tate. In the article linked here there is a teenager who wants his future wife to stay at home. That has never been a thing in Finland since we went straight from everyone working on family farms to a model where both spouses work. You generally can’t survive on one salary. https://yle.fi/a/74-20132368
Most of my social life doesn’t revolve around my countrymen so I might be heavily biased.
From my experience, it has gotten more polarized (like everything). On one hand, social justice warriors are more vocal, the average person knows more about feminism and minorities’ hardships than ten years ago, we get more recognition and acceptance. And on the other hand, the dickheads are prouder than ever and actively trying to share their brainrot to others, and it works to some extent.
Yes, but it feels like it was always there, under the surface. People (men and women) are just not as afraid to show it now.
No, there hasn’t been a backlash against women or against Feminism as such. At least not against Feminism in the meaning of gender equality – that is, that men and women should be treated equally and have the same rights and opportunities and that the person’s sex shouldn’t matter.
There has however definitely been a much needed backlash against the Woke Far Left type of Feminism and its misandry – where everything bad is the fault of straight white men, and everyone else is always a victim. There has also been quite a backlash against “positive discrimination” – where women are prioritized over men for certain jobs, promotions, education, healthcare and social aid. A very similar backlash can also be seen against for example “positive discrimination” due to belonging to a minority ethnicity.
There is also definitely a backlash at the moment against “queer feminism” – and in particular the notion that anyone who “identifies” as a woman is automatically a woman, regardless of biology. And there is for example a push to protect women’s sports by making them for biological women only, and banning transgender persons from competing at women’s events.
I live in a fairly sheltered left liberal progressive social bubble, so haven’t immediately noticed it, but on social media it seems like everything goes these days. Racism, misogyny, homophobia, you name it.
Makes sense, tbh. The rise of said right wing movements make it seem like it’s okay to engage in hate speech.
Yeah, it feels like some dudes saw feminism making progress and said, “You know what? Let’s speedrun the 1950s.”
I’m not sure about the rise, because Italy has always been a mysoginistic country, we’re consistently last on % of women in employment and score below the European average on gender equality (just to name two random stats).
Abortion rights are a farse, women in leadership positions in business are a very rare sight.
You might be familiar with the kind of treatment towards women that high profile politicians like Berlusconi have actively encouraged and promoted over decades.
Being raped can still result in actively being ostracised and blamed by your local community, so yeah. Good stuff. I can go on but it’s honestly rather depressing.
I think the internet has given incels an easy way to connect and spread their hatred, but it’s a worldwide phenomenon unfortunately.
Misogyny is first of all a deeply rooted cultural problem and I don’t see any serious discourse looking to acknowledge and address this, there is zero relationships/sex education in schools and people keep voting for conservative parties who do nothing to address the matter.
I’ve lived in Spain and the UK, where I live currently, and both countries are miles ahead of Italy on anything concerning women’s rights (though far from perfect!). I feel more protected working, living and dating there.
Definitely for both England and Ireland. Both were pretty misogynistic before incel culture too, but the recent years have seen a resurgence/revival in sexism. In Ireland we had the famous case of Aisling Murphy’s murder and England recently we have had Eliane Andam and the Crossbow Killer, who watched a video of Andrew Tate before he murdered a BBC presenter’s wife and daughters.
The liberals went too far with their LGBT agenda, which is why the society began to reject everything left-liberal. Even if it’s something as normal as respect for women. So now such politicians as Trump, Putin and Orban are popular in society. If the liberals want to maintain their influence, then let them stop promoting men dressed up in skirts in schools and kindergartens. We need to focus on more important values in order to preserve peace.
Turkey is a European-Middle Eastern hybrid, i am not sure if it’s enough to answer this question but yes, misogynistic behavior is having it’s renaissance as Erdoğan keeps fucking us up, he encourages men to treat women as objects.
I’ve noticed, and I hate it. Progression has come to a hold. We have to be demure again, and it’s quite normal to hear/read that we belong at home, taking care of our men.
I understand women are hating men, seeing the Tates online, and cases like Gisele Pelicot.
It’s a sad reality, and I’m not sure what a solution would be as of now.
Not really, but I’ve noticed a rise in what some people claim is misogyny. The rise of incel stuff has, like anything in the universe, a push and pull factor: “incels” are drawn to unhinged stuff that is cynically geared towards them, but they are also pushed by unhinged third-wave feminism, which pathologises anything male. Look up TERFs for example. Some countries with mass immigration from third world countries might see a rise in it (as well as homophobia and racism) because such immigrants are typically misogynistic, homophobic, racist, and bigoted in a host of other ways too, as you yourself have noted.
There was recently a protest in part due to an incident where a teenage girl was sexually assaulted by a group of boys, which they filmed and shared on social media apps. The video had views in the thousands and no one denounced it to the authorities.
I feel like among my generation (straddling the line between millenial and gen z) things have improved, but I still notice chauvinistic comments online. I can’t speak for younger generations but to my understanding it’s them that have been more influenced into becoming mysogynistic.
Yea , the most mysogine people are the females. I just do jokes about this but the hatred between females is real!
I don’t know about zoomers and entire Tate thing there, but not really even if Slovakian dynamics aren’t really similar to WE ones, what I did observe is that interestingly FR parties in Europe changed in manner where they try to get female votership and try to message to them as well (mostly via prism of promotion of traditionality as idea, and highlighting sexual violence committed by foreigners) which seems quite different from how US one operates. Thats how you’ll end up with Meloni as PM, or Wiedel as leader of AfD. Isabella Ayuso rapid rise in PP ranks via her firebrand populism politics also comes to mind, not to mention Marine Le Pen and her niece.
For sure I noticed more red pill and incel talking points in the last few years, but then I also moved country.
No, men always sucked, they just keep sucking at the same level but now Law doesn’t allow them to suck so much than say 50 or 60 yrs ago. Some of them are sad due to that fact, but they won’t win, thats what we, radical feminists, are here for.