These guys who tell me “it has tons of health benefits” have yet to elaborate on a single one of those benefits to me. They also seem to mistrust the pasteurization process without knowing what it actually consists of.
I don’t expect this fad to continue very long, the new trendy nutrition tip seems to be “don’t drink milk at all”
I think it should be available directly from farms and farmers’ markets, but shouldn’t be broadly available in stores. It has uses for making cheese, etc.
The only real difference between raw milk and pasteurized milk is that one of them has been heated up one time. This makes it a MUCH safer product.
Put a warning label (eg, “this product does not comply with food safety standards, consume at your own risk”) on it and walk away. I think it’s a stupid fad and is slightly dangerous, but no more then many other such fads that have come and gone. Some things are not important enough for the government to get involved with and “buyer beware” is the best approach. This is one of those things.
For heaven’s sake, we’ve had pasteurization since the 1860s and it’s an effective and safe way to prevent milk from containing infectious salmonella, listeria, and E. coli. It’s absurd that we’re even having this conversation. No, we should not be in the business of letting people sell products that may contain deadly pathogens. Why people are wanting to undo a century’s worth of food safety and medical progress is utterly beyond me.
I don’t think selling it should be restricted. But if folks want to promote it as something fit for mainstream consumption and easily available, then a warning needs to be added.
I used to buy it from a small farm that I trusted. Would make cheese with it, but drank plenty. I don’t know if it was udder to mouth time, the fat content , or the fact that it was raw, but it was udderly delicious. Felt more “real” too like I was doing something more natural, but that’s completely a story I made up in my head.
I would be cool with product regulation in this instance. Sell it with a label that says it’s not pasteurized. Not someone who’s educated in agriculture, but I’d assume raw milk would have some substantive uses.
Edit: did a bit of research, apparently it’s a great fertilizer. Huh, would’ve never put that together
It’s fine for individuals who trust their farmer.
On an industrial scale, homogenized milk is a literal lifesaver. On a personal, small farmer scale, if you have a healthy cow, you have healthy milk. The problem is less with raw milk than it is with industrial farming practices, but that’s the deck we’re playing with.
Raw milk has been proven to be very dangerous. If you want to put yourself at risk for Listeria, E. coli, Salmonella or worse, have at it. We use to all drink raw milk. Then came pasteurization. There’s a reason we haven’t gone back.
I think that if adults know the risk and still choose to drink raw milk, they should be able to. I understand that many people feel our milk is so highly pasteurized that it loses nutrients and flavor, idk about the nutrients but the flavor is a valid thing
i personally enjoy it, though i’m cautious on if it should be sold since children can get to it and having weaker immune systems are more likely to get sick.
i have a friend who is a farmer and he gives me a couple gallons during rabbit hunting season whenever i go. i wouldn’t be against selling it with proper warning labels
I knew what was in it. And what was in it was shit. It’s unavoidable. Cows have shit and dirt on them. Especially on factory farms, but don’t think a small farmer is magically safe either.
You simply can’t trust corps to sell safe things without regulation.
And… Raw milk isn’t fucking magical. Pasteurization is just cooking it so it kills germs. Pretending that raw milk is special is just … More crystal gazing anti vaxx anti science BS.
Here’s a good article about the history of pasteurizing milk. If, after reading that you argue that raw milk should be available, there’s not much to say then to reiterate the adage that you can’t fix stupid.
I can answer as a conservative. I don’t drink raw milk myself and don’t really believe pasteurized has any negative effects. It’s a convergence of factors. There is a contrarianist anti-science contigent that opposes the orthodox opinion on most medical practices that love it.
There is also the fact that when looking at large populations mostly European and especially Northern European people have the highest rates of lactose tolerance, so some of the alt right have latched into that. I mean it is a biological fact between racial groups that really only Europeans can drink lactose.
Anyway it seems pretty ridiculous and some wierd new trend
If you want to drink it go ahead. I won’t – there’s a reason pasteurization was adopted. But I also want those who wish to drink it to have access to it.
If adults want to take the risk, that’s on them. The problem with raw milk is that most milk is consumed by kids, with less developed immune systems, and it can easily contaminate the broader milk supply chain. And as others have noted, there’s no benefit to raw and no downside to pasteurized, so the entire “controversy” is stupid.
I think it’s fine to get from a farm, but I think the risks should be made clear. Nobody is making you drink it over pasteurized milk.
I grew up on a farm with semi hippy parents in an on and off vegan/raw vegan household. When not vegan, we had raw milk only. Back then, and in the south, my parents bought it illicitly. I turned out fine and never got sick from it, but being so difficult to get made the risks clearer.
Today, in New England, every farm sells it. Whether or not that’s a good thing, well…. A good friend is a 65 year old third generation dairy farmer. He sells >200gal of raw milk per week, and he estimates he’s never had more than 8oz of raw milk his whole life. That’s all I need to know.
I see evidence for the safety of pasteurized milk. Would there be a similar safety standard for untreated milk? If so, sure, allow its sale. I don’t understand the draw of raw milk, but there’s obviously a demand for it, so as long as it’s as safe as pasteurized milk, then sure.
I have questions about it. I would never drink it. Raw milk and pasteurized milk is the same as far as a taste so there’s really not a reason (to me) for the risk. I also don’t believe that there are more benefits to it than pasteurized. I don’t see the point. But humans eat raw food all the time (steak tartar, really runny eggs, raw fish, unpasteurized cheese) why can’t this be a preference thing and the establishment that serves it needs to make sure theres no cross contamination, standards on how to offer it. A little regulation? I guess when I have questions I mean like I don’t know if raw milk is more dangerous than all those other things we eat raw if it’s harder to test, control and regulate.. I would need to learn more.
I don’t understand why proponents of it act like it’s some kind of magic elixir. Are there any pros at all? The cons don’t make it seem worth the risk at all. People who tout raw milk are the people who like to latch on to the weirdest things. They’ll die on the dumbest hills… probably from shitting their guts out from the raw milk.
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I think it’s pretty dangerous.
Drinking it strikes me as a pretty dumb idea.
These guys who tell me “it has tons of health benefits” have yet to elaborate on a single one of those benefits to me. They also seem to mistrust the pasteurization process without knowing what it actually consists of.
I don’t expect this fad to continue very long, the new trendy nutrition tip seems to be “don’t drink milk at all”
Pretty dumb. God gave us pasteurization for a reason, I think you’re unAmerican if you drink that shit like a dirty European
I think it should be available directly from farms and farmers’ markets, but shouldn’t be broadly available in stores. It has uses for making cheese, etc.
The only real difference between raw milk and pasteurized milk is that one of them has been heated up one time. This makes it a MUCH safer product.
Put a warning label (eg, “this product does not comply with food safety standards, consume at your own risk”) on it and walk away. I think it’s a stupid fad and is slightly dangerous, but no more then many other such fads that have come and gone. Some things are not important enough for the government to get involved with and “buyer beware” is the best approach. This is one of those things.
For heaven’s sake, we’ve had pasteurization since the 1860s and it’s an effective and safe way to prevent milk from containing infectious salmonella, listeria, and E. coli. It’s absurd that we’re even having this conversation. No, we should not be in the business of letting people sell products that may contain deadly pathogens. Why people are wanting to undo a century’s worth of food safety and medical progress is utterly beyond me.
I’m all for people winning the Darwin Award by drinking it intentionally. A bit cruel, I know, but we have food safety standards for a reason.
It’s a scam at best.
I don’t think selling it should be restricted. But if folks want to promote it as something fit for mainstream consumption and easily available, then a warning needs to be added.
There is a reason we pasteurize milk.
No to raw milk. Yes to raw honey.
I mean i don’t oppose people buying it if they want it. But it’s not something I’m buying
I used to buy it from a small farm that I trusted. Would make cheese with it, but drank plenty. I don’t know if it was udder to mouth time, the fat content , or the fact that it was raw, but it was udderly delicious. Felt more “real” too like I was doing something more natural, but that’s completely a story I made up in my head.
I think it’s incredibly stupid for people to drink it, and I’m for legislation banning the sale of it.
if you bring it to 160F, and cool it down immediately your good.
Seems like a dumb idea to drink it and I wouldn’t sell it in stores, but it also shouldn’t be criminalized
A good way to get food poisoning. But if someone wants to take the risk that should be on them.
If Kennedy is willing to tout raw milk and reduced fluoridation, but leave vaccines alone, I’ll take that deal.
I would be cool with product regulation in this instance. Sell it with a label that says it’s not pasteurized. Not someone who’s educated in agriculture, but I’d assume raw milk would have some substantive uses.
Edit: did a bit of research, apparently it’s a great fertilizer. Huh, would’ve never put that together
I think the people who drink raw milk should do us all a favor and start eating raw meat and any other raw animal product.
A good example of a completely unrelated thing people embrace because of their political identity
This is one of those things when somebody advocates for it, I know that they have fried their brain.
I think I’m happy for pasteurization.
I think the real men that drink raw milk shouldn’t stop there and drink real, untreated, unfiltered water.
And they shouldn’t get vaccines. And they should eat raw fish, raw meat, and raw lettuce.
They’re tough and natural. They don’t need medicine. That’s for damn sissy liberal pussies.
Take everything like a man, like it’s 1348.
Do it. Please. Show this liberal. Own this lib.
It’s fine for individuals who trust their farmer.
On an industrial scale, homogenized milk is a literal lifesaver. On a personal, small farmer scale, if you have a healthy cow, you have healthy milk. The problem is less with raw milk than it is with industrial farming practices, but that’s the deck we’re playing with.
Raw milk has been proven to be very dangerous. If you want to put yourself at risk for Listeria, E. coli, Salmonella or worse, have at it. We use to all drink raw milk. Then came pasteurization. There’s a reason we haven’t gone back.
I think this is the kind of stupid shit the Federal government doesn’t need to be involved in.
If it’s unsafe stick a warning label on it or whatever. I don’t really care about people wanting to drink nasty shit.
I think that if adults know the risk and still choose to drink raw milk, they should be able to. I understand that many people feel our milk is so highly pasteurized that it loses nutrients and flavor, idk about the nutrients but the flavor is a valid thing
Kinda want to buy some for cheesemaking.
Seems stupid, but I don’t give a shit what people put in their bodies. Obviously shouldn’t be sold without it being clearly labeled as raw.
Pretty good article with solid sources: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/drinking-raw-milk#possible-dangers.
After reading…there’s a non-zero percent chance of feces getting in the milk. I’ll take mine pasteurized, please.
It probably tastes better than safe milk. I don’t care because multiple deadly outbreaks have been linked to it, so it shouldn’t be legal to sell it.
A pointless way to die young.
I think the people who recommend it should drink lots and lots of it.
https://youtu.be/HhDB91Y-_pI?si=vw6VHJ1DPuK6m0MV
i personally enjoy it, though i’m cautious on if it should be sold since children can get to it and having weaker immune systems are more likely to get sick.
i have a friend who is a farmer and he gives me a couple gallons during rabbit hunting season whenever i go. i wouldn’t be against selling it with proper warning labels
I grew up on a dairy farm. I drank raw milk.
I knew what was in it. And what was in it was shit. It’s unavoidable. Cows have shit and dirt on them. Especially on factory farms, but don’t think a small farmer is magically safe either.
You simply can’t trust corps to sell safe things without regulation.
And… Raw milk isn’t fucking magical. Pasteurization is just cooking it so it kills germs. Pretending that raw milk is special is just … More crystal gazing anti vaxx anti science BS.
There’s a reason pasteurization exists
It’s not worth the risk or the benefit.
Here’s a good article about the history of pasteurizing milk. If, after reading that you argue that raw milk should be available, there’s not much to say then to reiterate the adage that you can’t fix stupid.
Should be up to the consumer, put a label on the front.
Have I drank raw milk, couple times but not my cup of tea tbh. Lot of older Turks I know here drink it though. Good cheese and other uses too tbh.
It can literally give you tuberculosis in your bones and kill you.
Pasteurization stopped massive amounts of deaths by bacterial contaminants.
Raw milk is for assholes with no grasp of modernity.
Seems dangerous. Not sure why all the MAHA people are into it and against pasteurization
Do not drink raw milk
It’s dumb. That’s a good way to get all kinds of diseases like tuberculosis.
I think the sale of raw milk should be banned completely.
I live on a farm. I’ve hung out with cows. I grew up across the street from a dairy. I have zero interest in the idea of raw milk.
If someone has cows and want to drink raw milk then it’s their business.
I can answer as a conservative. I don’t drink raw milk myself and don’t really believe pasteurized has any negative effects. It’s a convergence of factors. There is a contrarianist anti-science contigent that opposes the orthodox opinion on most medical practices that love it.
There is also the fact that when looking at large populations mostly European and especially Northern European people have the highest rates of lactose tolerance, so some of the alt right have latched into that. I mean it is a biological fact between racial groups that really only Europeans can drink lactose.
Anyway it seems pretty ridiculous and some wierd new trend
It’s full of poop. There certainly shouldn’t be legislation ‘for’ it.
I support republicans conservatives and trumples drinking as much of it as they want.
I don’t usually think about raw milk
Against it. There’s no rational reason for people acting like piss babies about pasteurization. It’s just boiled milk.
This is just some weird Oppositional Defiance Disorder bullshit clogging up ERs
If you want to drink it go ahead. I won’t – there’s a reason pasteurization was adopted. But I also want those who wish to drink it to have access to it.
needs clear labeling
If adults want to take the risk, that’s on them. The problem with raw milk is that most milk is consumed by kids, with less developed immune systems, and it can easily contaminate the broader milk supply chain. And as others have noted, there’s no benefit to raw and no downside to pasteurized, so the entire “controversy” is stupid.
I’m not drinking it. That’s all I have to say.
I think if you wanna buy cream of bacteria poop soup direct from the source and kill yourself doing so, be my guest.
I don’t think raw milk should be for sale in large chain grocery stores.
I think it’s fine to get from a farm, but I think the risks should be made clear. Nobody is making you drink it over pasteurized milk.
I grew up on a farm with semi hippy parents in an on and off vegan/raw vegan household. When not vegan, we had raw milk only. Back then, and in the south, my parents bought it illicitly. I turned out fine and never got sick from it, but being so difficult to get made the risks clearer.
Today, in New England, every farm sells it. Whether or not that’s a good thing, well…. A good friend is a 65 year old third generation dairy farmer. He sells >200gal of raw milk per week, and he estimates he’s never had more than 8oz of raw milk his whole life. That’s all I need to know.
I prefer my milk to not have feces in it.
I can’t see how anyone familiar with the process would prefer raw over filtered/pasteurized
I see evidence for the safety of pasteurized milk. Would there be a similar safety standard for untreated milk? If so, sure, allow its sale. I don’t understand the draw of raw milk, but there’s obviously a demand for it, so as long as it’s as safe as pasteurized milk, then sure.
Dangerous and we have pasteurized it for generations to protect public health
I have questions about it. I would never drink it. Raw milk and pasteurized milk is the same as far as a taste so there’s really not a reason (to me) for the risk. I also don’t believe that there are more benefits to it than pasteurized. I don’t see the point. But humans eat raw food all the time (steak tartar, really runny eggs, raw fish, unpasteurized cheese) why can’t this be a preference thing and the establishment that serves it needs to make sure theres no cross contamination, standards on how to offer it. A little regulation? I guess when I have questions I mean like I don’t know if raw milk is more dangerous than all those other things we eat raw if it’s harder to test, control and regulate.. I would need to learn more.
It’s great for young cows!
I don’t understand why proponents of it act like it’s some kind of magic elixir. Are there any pros at all? The cons don’t make it seem worth the risk at all. People who tout raw milk are the people who like to latch on to the weirdest things. They’ll die on the dumbest hills… probably from shitting their guts out from the raw milk.