Should everyone get due process, even those accused of being gang members?
Should the government have to provide evidence of guilt or gang affiliation before sending people to El Salvador?
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Should everyone get due process, even those accused of being gang members?
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1,000,000,000% yes!
Yes? How long before the iist of folks not afforded due process expands?
Yeah they should, but the other half of that is that people shouldn’t be forcing 200 legal challenges and obstruction to due process when people are guilty and ought to be deported.
When the system breaks down, people stop using it basically and it takes goodwill from everyone to make things work well enough for all to change that.
Evidence is absolutely needed
From there, Bukele has every right to treat his prisoners as he wishes even if its inhumane according to many folks. Its his country and hes doing what is best for his innocent citizens
due process is required under the Constitution which tRump has sworn to uphold
Yes, according to the US constitution and a 9-0 ruling by the Supreme Court interpreting that constitution.
Obviously yes? Do you disagree?
So, serial killers and child molesters should receive due process, but not accused gang members? WTF??
Technically, if you’re not here legally and from El Salvador they can send you there, if you’re talking about the gang members specifically apparently the El Salvadoran government is providing much of the evidence.
The constitution says yes.
It should say “absolutely the fuck yes” and so should we all.
Yes it’s called due process
Yes. Due process is indiscriminate.
Is there a fairer way?
This is the bare minimum but we should also just stop deporting people period
Wait, YOU’RE a gang member – arrest him. Thus, why we have due process…..
Everyone gets due process, or no one does. If they can accuse you of being a gang member to deny you due process, suddenly everyone they don’t like will be accused of being a gang member.
Judges are a restraint on the unlawful exercise of power. The only reason to circumvent them is to abuse power.
Yes, I mean for a guy who was successfully convicted and whines he was treated unfairly to turn around and do this is the height of hypocrisy.
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Of fucking COURSE they should.
the shouldn’t be renditioning them at all. if they committed a crime, prosecute and imprison here
Dude, the government has to provide evidence of guilt before taking any punitive action against anyone. This point was aggressively argued by the founders of this country. These ideas are supposedly what make us “free” and set us apart from other countries.
That’s what the constitution says
The supreme court already ruled yes.
How is this a question?
Read the police reports on this certain person. The police and a witness identified him as a gang member.
Hint: you shouldn’t send any human to CECOT… unless of course your into cruel and unusual punishment to maintain power.
Yes. This is the basis of Due Process, gauranteed by the 5th Amendment.
It is guaranteed to EVERYONE that is prosecuted by the US Government, whether they are a citizen or not.
It is one of the base reasons we rebelled against England and King George III.
Once more for the MAGATS in the back—-
EVERYONE gets Due Process.
EVERYONE.
Not if they are El Salvadorians here illegally.
HELL YES
Trump and his gang of criminals act as if due process for deportation takes months and months. It doesn’t.
Yes and anyone who disagrees with this should never be given an ounce of power.
I can not understand why people would disagree with this, unless they want abuse of power against people they don’t like to occur.
The law applies to everyone. That includes the laws providing for due process.
No one should be getting sent to an El Salvador prison in USA period. To even have to say this boggles my mind.
Absolutely
Of they are here illegally, I assume they can be deported without a trial or hearing.
No, of course not.
Mere evidence is insufficient, you need a conviction.
Yes, obviously.
If the government is allowed to strip criminals of rights, and can arbitrarily designate anyone as a criminal without due process, then the government has the power to strip anyone anywhere of their rights at will.
Yes. Of course. It shouldn’t even be a question.
Do you think there should be proof of what you are being accused of before you get sent away?
I should think so. I do, for you and I.
Lol. “Should EVERYONE get Due Process?” Hahahahahaha
You mean, can we just accuse people we don’t like and have a bias towards and have it be totally cool?
I will make this very, very simple. Without due process you could find yourself in an El Salvadorian prison.
Nope. The only “evidence” the government should need is proof of illegal entry or no proof of legal entry.
By no proof of legal entry I mean that the government does not have documentation that said individual entered the country in a legal way and that the same individual cannot provide any documentation to show the government that they were indeed legally allowed to enter the United States.
If any group of people is not afforded due process, no one in the US has a guarantee of due process. If they’re saying gang members don’t deserve due process, they can label anyone they want a gang member, and then “deport” them (deportation without a hearing is much closer to just being kidnapping). So, even if you want every gang member in the US to be disappeared, you should have a long hard think about cheering on the erosion of due process
Yes. The end.
The people they’re sending already have deport orders. They’ve already had due princess.
Uh, yes.
No. If they are illegally in the U.S. then deport them.
Well your constitution guarantees due process for everyone, so yes.
Trump voter here. Yes absolutely. Everyone should be entitled to a fair hearing and due process in this country. I’ve been really disappointed and concerned about the way Trump and Tom Homan have gone about deportation. I agree that if you came here illegally you should be deported back to your country of origin AFTER a fair court process. Without due process how are we not a dictatorship?
Absolutely no one should be sent to a prison in El Salvador by the US government.
The US government should either deport the individual back to their own country of origin, and let them deal with whatever happens on that end, or if they have committed a crime within the United States they should be judged in a court of law within the United States imprisonment, if that is the finding of the jury until their time is served and then be deported to their country of origin
There is no way we should be sending Venezuelan’s to a prison in El Salvador
Just the fact of being in the United States on documented, does not deserve the severe punishment of being put in a high security facility. Anyone who is undocumented should have the choice to leave the country immediately on their own dime and with their own arrangements, and if they cannot do that or will not do it, then they should be simply deported back to their country of origin.
Due process is a right granted to anyone on American soil
“Innocent until proven guilty.”
It isn’t a matter of “should.” Every person on US soil is guaranteed due process rights via the Constitution, like it or not.
Not only provide evidence, they have to PROVE guilt. Otherwise our laws have no meaning.
It is in the constitution that both persons (meaning ANYONE standing on US soil) and citizens are entitled to due process of the law
A lot of the Trump administration will be seeing the inside of a prison cell, unless they manage to actually turn the US into a full blown dictatorship and the country is ruled by the Trump dynasty for the next 50 years. Sadly I think old Donald will drop dead before they can put him in chains.
As a brown man with tattoos.
Yes!
Yes of course, no exception at all, ever, in any way, for any reason.
Yes.
Yes. Because in it’s absence we’re ALL “gang members”.
I accuse tRump of being in a gang! There, problem solved. See? Due process is for everyone.
Everyone should get due process otherwise it provides a way for oppression and persecution.
No, just illegal entry. And Salvadoran origins of course.
If they are here illegally and citizens of El Salvador, no. They should be deported and the El Salvadorian government can deal with them according to their own laws.
They shouldn’t even send actual criminals to El Salvador
The government shouldn’t be extraditing anyone outside of the country to foreign prisons. I said the same under Obomba and W. This problem isn’t new or just Trump’s doing. They literally all do it and Obomba fought to keep the practice in his murderous POS toolkit.
Gang activity is catalogued with your very first arrest. They also keep track of changes in tattooing as a means of identification. Point being; those ties are usually well established by multiple sources.
This guy from New Hampshire already had two separate courts rule on his evident gang activity and deemed he was a member
This isn’t a question, it’s a fact. They get due process whether someone wants them to or not
Is this really a question. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not actually support what America is supposed to stand for. They support what 1930s Germany stood for
The government should not be sending any US Citizens or legal residents to El Salvador.
How do you know that they are gang members of they haven’t been found quilty in a court of law?
F€ck yes!
Absolutely. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
Yes. There must be due process for everyone, without exception.
Is this some sort of AI or not post? This isn’t a real question. Humans deserve due process and a conviction before punishment. Innocent until proven guilty. If it was never proven then logically we just sent thousands of innocent people to a concentration camp. Wouldn’t be the first time for America sadly
Yes.
EVERYONE deserves due process
from the lowest misdemeanor to the most vile psychopath, citizen or not
I don’t really care about the gang affiliation. If you’re an el salvadoran national living illegally in the United States, you should be returned to your country immediately.
We call it Due Process.
Even then, I think our criminals deserve to be housed in prisons that meet our standards.
Of course they should, but that doesn’t change anything. They’re doing it regardless.
Its literally in the constitution. Yes, everyone gets that right. Even alleged gang members. If you are in the US, the constitution gives you that right. Citizen or not. The constitution gives you that right, period.
They should not be able to send people to El Salvador. Period. Evidence is irrelevant. Deport people to their home country after due process. If they need to be imprisoned it should be done here.
If you can declare “gang member” and deny someone due process, than that means anyone can be declared a gang member and denied due process.
So due process has to apply to everyone because otherwise it applies to no one.
Yes dude. For anyone wondering, there is a giant difference between deporting someone and sending someone to a megaprison
Why do you think they’re sending people to prisons that are off US soil, where you don’t have rights?
The 14th amendment thinks so.
Bro, if anyone doesn’t get due process, then they can just accuse anyone of being a gang member no matter what they want to get them for and the accused won’t have a chance in court to prove that they’re not a gang member.
Either everyone is entitled to due process or else nobody has any rights.
YES! FFS
Yes, everyone should get due process.
Yes, court orders should be followed, unless those orders are being ignored by the government when the ruling is against the administration.
There really can only be one answer to this question, as if the answer were “no”, there are a hell of a lot of horrible consequences.
No. If they are illegal aliens and are from El Salvador or a country try that refuses to take them, they can by law be deported to El Salvador. Being illegal doesn’t allow you to stay in the US permanently if you don’t join a gang or commit additional crimes beyond violating immigration law. Why is this concept so difficult for you people to grasp???
Absolutely. Americans don’t seem to grasp the concept of democracy and the SPIRIT of the Constitution.
Not tearing apart every word to twist it to your favor. Not amending it to meet your political goals. Not flaunting it to be an asshole.
If the real “spirit” of it is gone, and then so goes your country.
If you were accused of being a gang member, what would your answer be?
In any and all crimes there needs to be proof. Although there’s plenty of evidence showing that our current president should be sent to cecot immediately and every single person who’s standing with him in this betrayal of our country.
This is such a bad question.
YES. Or are we just tossing the whole constitution thing out the window now?
Show me where in the constitution it states “unless the people have tattoos and look scary” as the determinant on if they receive due process.
What a stupid question.
Before we sentence anyone to life in prison without parole they deserve due process. This shouldn’t even be a discussion.
This isn’t sending someone to El Salvador or just deportation. It’s a death sentence.
Should people be send to a prison, without a trial? Should people be send to prison, without informing them what the length of their sentence is? Should people be send to a prison, that is not under the control of the entity that passes judgement?
It’s a sign how far the USA has fallen, that the answer isn’t obvious. I see a lot of mentions to the constitution in answers that rightfully say that this should not be done.
But I’m not American and I don’t really care if this is legal in the US or not. It’s wrong. It’s evil. No matter what your president, your supreme court or your congress says.
Why is the US government sending prisoners out of the country?! I guess this is how America will be great again?
yes, obviously. how is this even a question?
Yes! Why the hell is this even a question?! This should not be a debate.
Its a fucking constitutional right.
Yes, it’s the right thing to do. Also, we shouldn’t rbirarilybe shipping people to a country they don’t even come from.
If we have a problem with someone at the very least lock them up here while we figure it out.
I usually try and avoid comparing things to the Nazi’s because it’s overused but this really is Nazi shit.
This is a very broad question. If a person entered the country illegally and is undocumented then they don’t have much recourse to being deported for any reason. For all other cases the person has the right to due process.
Absolutely, with out due process we’re next.
Freedom of Speech is being threatened with the rendition to foreign prisons where you are lost in the system.
You literally said accused. Do you want every cop to sentence everybody they arrest or stop without any process ?