Is liberals hate just that strong for Trump that you can’t see sifting through wasted money our government as a good thing? This seems it should be something both sides agree on??
Is liberals hate just that strong for Trump that you can’t see sifting through wasted money our government as a good thing? This seems it should be something both sides agree on??
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Is liberals hate just that strong for Trump that you can’t see sifting through wasted money our government as a good thing? This seems it should be something both sides agree on??
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Maybe find out what the liberal objections are to DOGE and then ask a more specific question where we can talk about philosophy. I don’t feel like holding your hand through a basic education before we can even begin to have a meaningful conversation on our differences.
Why are y’all worse at the debt and worse at efficiency yet you believe fucking Trump and Musk when they say they slashed a concert funding from 3 years ago or whatever?
You know what’s not efficient? Firing IT and nuke staff then begging them to come back, or slashing irs and cfpb and ftc.
Liberals are. We think we waste money on subsidizing billionaires who don’t need subsidies, and funding wars that don’t protect our interests.
Prove that what DOGE is doing isn’t cutting services we pay for that provide value.
Do you think George Soros should be put in charge of doing pretend audits of the government the way that Elon is?
This is already a bad faith take.
Is this in reference to DOGE cuts? DOGE and the President are straight up breaking the law through impoundment- which I cannot abide by from a person whose oath is to execute all laws passed by congress. Congress appropriated those funds, they shall be spent.
Which cuts do you feel are wasteful? People can argue forever about what should receive funding. I am always willing to have a discussion on what should and shouldn’t be funded.
Nobody wants waste. How do you solve waste? Auditing and surveillance. If you find places savings can be made, get congress to put the cuts in the next appropriation bill- you don’t break the law by impounding funds and turning all aspects of governance into a quid pro quo.
The legal way to do it is with approved auditors, not some unrelated billionaire and a team of programmers barely out of college.
Also if you think USAID or the NOAA are a waste of money, that says a lot about conservatives as selfish, callous, ignorant, and anti-science.
Then Trump should pass a budget and cut spending legally. The fact that he’s trying to do it by decree is unconstitutional. The frustrating thing about republicans is that they don’t even listen to opposing arguments, which is how we end up here. Trump doing something which is blatantly unconstitutional and “conservatives” defending it.
Doges first priority is hamstringing departments currently investigating the shortcomings of Elon Musks empire. If it wasn’t for blatant self interest and self aggrandising nonsense maybe people would be onside. Ironically the backlash far outweighs the investigations findings so Musk has shot himself in the foot. Regardless proper support for AGs is how you counter corruption, not kids playing with govt comps they know zip about. Do it properly or don’t do it at all.
Because much of this “waste” isn’t waste, while the real waste is being ignored. It’s a power grab rather than any sort of fiscal efficiency.
this presupposition is erroneous on several fronts, most prominently in the paramount stature of eliminating “wasted money” such that other consequences are inherently worthless. as I wrote here:
> I don’t “hate” Musk, but his involvement in government presents an unprecedented risk against my values. my exact thoughts on him are elaborated in this comment and this comment, which are worth a read; much of its content broadly conforms to what “liberals” believe — if imprecise. advocating for free speech and “waste, fraud, and abuse within the government” is beneficial and constitutionally protected. however, Musk’s role is dangerous. to reframe the context provided: the richest man in the world has mounted a takeover of the federal bureaucracy — with lucrative gains, though that appears irrelevant for Musk — by vastly embedding his allies into government, drastically reforming the functions of government in his image without oversight. Democrats have not “been pushing this same agenda for a long time,” indicative by former President Joe Biden’s institutionalism
Doge isn’t a legal government department that has authority to find waste. In addition your definition of waste is different from mine.
I dont think liberals have an issue with getting rid of waste. The problem is twofold.
First, the way its been done.
Second, the lack of actual waste found.
To the first point, an unelected billionaire who DOES NOT, in my opinion, actually have the best wishes of the people at heart. To me the fact he essentially dismantled/defunded certain portions of the government that were investigating him, while simultaneously receiving more government contracts should be enough of an indicator of that.
To the second point, while Im sure there are SOME examples of legitimate waste that was found, a significant amount of information I’ve read has either been them misunderstanding how the system works (social security), misunderstanding research (trans mice), or just made up bullshit.
As a side note, I find it grotesque that Elon Musk believes social security is some form of entitlement as if working American’s didn’t spend their working lives paying into it to be able to retire and enjoy the later years.
This is just a short couple paragraphs to paint the picture.
I agree waste needs to be acknowledged and dealt with. What Musk and the Trump administration has done, and what they’ve targeted as “waste”, is the exact opposite of what the problems are in my opinion.
Right idea, worst possible execution.
edit: I forgot to add how terribly they’ve handled the removal of “waste” too, think of all the firings and then frantic rehirings as a good example. Everything has been terribly done, chaotic, and they seem to not understand what they’re doing at all.
I think a basic example of HOW it should have been done was when Bill Clinton did buyouts like Trump tried. The difference being Clinton did it via congress which reviewed it and people being let go had MONTHS of forewarning. Whereas Trump/Musk sent out emails within a week of his inauguration.
Vile.
We are “concerned about wasted money in our government”.
Our objections to DOGE have different bases.
Do you truly think Dodge with Elon Musk and his interns is a good way to combat government inefficiency? Why not hire qualified forensic accountants and people who specialize in combating wasted money rather than a man who has absolutely no experience in the world of government spending, waste, or accounting?
Here are some simple facts:
The cuts to the IRS are already estimated to cost the US $500 billion/year in taxes
DOGE claims they’ve saved $100 billion so far
DOGE has made several accounting mistakes (reporting an $8 million savings as $8 billion, for example), so their self-report of saving $100 billion is highly suspect…
But even if we take their word for it, DOGE has saved us $100 billion at the cost of $500 billion.
That puts us $400 billion further in the hole.
They’re not saving us money. They’re costing us money.
[US government spending has not slowed under Trump so far, data shows]
Elon Musk is a scammer and a con man who’s shutting down the very departments that are investigating all the fraud, abuse and safety violations in his companies.
This question is done in bad faith.
Of course we are concerned about waste in funding. Please read the responses here because they have all listed in depth answers to a shallow, antagonistic question.
I’ll add: The way elon is going about his “efficiency” program is actually going to cost MORE money than an organized audit and broad scope plan to address waste. The job losses will affect local economies across the country, drive up unemployment expenses and other “entitlements” he’s against. The lack of a functioning government will affect citizens that rely on them. These, in turn will affect spending in local communities and affect business. Basically a domino effect that will ruin our economy. On all levels. It’s a recipe for disaster and a major recession “the likes we have never seen before!”.
That’s not even close to the reality. Of course liberals care about waste and fraud. What is your argument against having it dealt with by the skilled network of Inspectors General? If Elonald Mump cared about about waste and fraud, they’d have utilized those experts whose literal job it is to do exactly that. Instead, they fired them.
Why aren’t YOU all concerned about the fact the DOGE is costing America money? In addition to hundreds of millions of dollars in economic damage they’re causing, the government will be getting the crap sued out of it by people who were illegally laid off and by businesses whose contracts were illegally terminated.
My problem with Trump is primarily that he’s breaking the law. Firing probationary employees is just targetting employees with the least labor protections. It has nothing to do with efficiency. It’s not based on performance. It’s not based on who is or isn’t in a critical position. It’s just cutting people to cut people.
It has nothing to do with efficiency.
Claiming any of this is about efficiency is just false.
I’m all in favor of auditing the government but these are not serious people. They have no idea what they’re doing.
DOGE is firing government employees and then later learning what those employees did and why those agencies are important.
The five bullet points email mandate is a venn diagram of power tripping and straight evil.
It’s easy to destroy things for the sake of it.