Because it’s not actually realistic. I use palantir, it’s not some crazy see all software. It’s not even a surveillance tool, at the end of the day it’s a software that does multiple things, like a Microsoft office of analytic and mapping tools, that’s it. You get out of what what you put in, it’s not palantir that’s out collecting the data
It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s public news. Conspiracy theorists want to feel superior for being aware of hidden things with their superior pattern recognition.
Conspiracy theorists only care about conspiracies that aren’t immediately provable and only affect them in some way.
Interesting that this question came up because I was about to post on how I had a wild conspiracy theory and told an actual conspiracy theorist who was very interested in it, but over the months as I shared more and more supporting evidence for it, he began to completely dismiss it.
Why get mad about something you’ve told someone about for years? It’s sad if anything. I can show a friend something that has literally come to pass and is active and they’ll say “is that a fake website?”. Lol
Whats makes me mad is, I’m on the burning ship with you.😄🙄
They would say it’s all part of Trump’s plan to … do something … eliminate Sundays or something. Listening to Alex Jones justify every single thing Trump does is a good workout for the brain.
Conspiracy theorists primarily glean enjoyment from the belief that they have special, secret knowledge that others are not privy to. As such, the moment a conspiracy has actual evidence in its favor that would convince the average person of its truth, it immediately loses all of its appeal to conspiracy theorists.
I am of the opinion that people like Alex Jones are the end result of things like MK Ultra, he huffs and he puffs about crazy things which just distract from the actual issues.
It is not a ‘theory’ that society consists of the haves and the have nots, The entire point of people like Jones is to confuse what the problem is, he throws in enough pure crazy to bouncing around actual problems, but the level of crazy ensures no normal, logical person could believe anything he says… this ensures the ‘crazy talk’ about government corruption, blatant shady banking etc gets tossed into the same barrel for the majority of people.
So actual discussion of real problems which are tied up with the crazy struggle to get actual journalists to investigate because who wants to taint their professional career being compared to Jones. This means things like the Panama papers, Pandora etc come out but kinda get skirted around…. because as soon as the majority of people start digging they get flooded by Jones et all kind of distractions and connections or the public just here ‘conspiracy’ and assume it is ‘crazy talk’.
Because the ‘theorists’ are not covering this, the people who need to be told what to think are not going to get mad about it because this is ‘the mainstream’ trying to distract us from the whatever.
Because they are all MAGA. The desire to CT the “F” out of that runs counter to talking shit about a MAGA thing. Same with all of Musk’s government contracts
It’s easier to just blame things on some Project Blue Beam or MK Ultra bs than actually do your research and realize there’s no need for the rulers of the world to hide behind closed, but that they do whatever they want out in the open
Because they’ll believe what the propaganda puppet masters will want them to believe. That is the greatest conspiracy of all, it’s a real one, and it flew right over them.
Because the vast majority of these “conspiracy theorists” are two faced assholes. They screamed bloody murder when it was a liberal government, but as soon as Trump came in, suddenly everyone is silent.
I don’t have an answer, but a question that might give you an answer…
Where, on all of the internet, are people allowed to actually talk about real conspiracies?
Reddit is heavily moderated and doesn’t value free speech, 4chn is kill, YouTube & Google’s social media is arguably the most censored, Rumble is filled with hollow earth schizos, and twitter isn’t the best platform for discuss either.
And if you try to speak about anyone IRL about “conspiracies” then you’ll be met with the deer-in-headlights look or they’ll just ask if you caught the latest sportsball.
The motto of conspiracy theory is “follow the money”. Which is actually really good advice. The problem is, way too many conspiracy theorists are really bad at actually following the money. The real answers to where it’s going are obvious and boring, so they’d rather have a good story.
Conspiracy theories can be picky about what they’re mad about. Palantir might not fit their current “bad guy” narrative. It’s like having a specific villain in mind, and then a new one shows up not everyone switches targets at once.
Sadly, a lot of those folks (not all) are actually just anti-Democrat and not actually afraid of government overreach. I assure you, that if any of the events of the past 90 days were taking place in a Harris (or any other D) administration they would be up in arms.
What’s unfortunate, is that things like this won’t/don’t just stop with a new administration. This level of overreach can and will be used against people of all stripes…
They are. No one cares. Average people don’t want to hear about dystopian shit, even if it’s verifiable. It’s the same with IMF loans and the government testing stuff on its own populace. People choose to be IGNOREnt and thus, someone actually trying to bring verifiable topics like this to bare are left to shout in a field. People just wanna work their 9-5, crack open a beer when they go home and shut off their brain.
They’re fine with it because it’s Trump that’s doing it. They think it will only be targeted against ‘themmuns’ and can’t comprehend that it will be used against them at some point.
So the people I’ve known who got caught up in conspiracy theories don’t pay attention to or believe “traditional” media, so they are often unaware of what’s actually being reported on.
In my country, official military spokes people said publically that while it was illegal for the military to spy on its own citizens, its very legal to trade intelligence with other nations, which is why they had put in place a practice of spying on neighbours then trading that info for info on their own citizens. This was completely legal and they for some reason chose to talk about this openly in the media.
You would have expected some outcry from the “central government is evil” crowd that we all assume is out there looking for another angle of why government is bad, but there was just crickets.
I concluded that what we refer to as “the conspiracy gang” is in fact not triggered by publically known information about how the government agencies conduct their business but instead focus on what is done covertly and what is classified.
I think it has to do with paranoia and other mental illnesses, which is why there has to be created a bunch of juicy targets for this crowd to discuss and investigate, else they target real, actual secrets.
I assume aliens and pizzagate are two of these distractions, and Alex Jones et all works as a conductor for the mentally ill, to keep them busy with nonesense.
Full surveilance comes with such insane perks that violation of privacy becomes trivial in comparison. The operations can also include anonymizing the data for the researchers who then work with it, like how they conduct most scientific research involving humans.
The argument for the tech being misused by some future evil government, “Nazi Germany 2.0 but with modern tech, could you imagine??” must be weighed against the insane gain for humanity that you get from collecting as much information as possible from the population. Imagine what anthropologists or sociologists can do with 20 or 50 years of that data. You can track the effect of public policies, investments, etc etc. Invaluable.
In recent years, basically since the Obama birtherism conspiracy was promoted by Donald Trump, the more mainstream conspiracy theorist has been explicitly right-wing and pro-Trump. The focus of various theories has been Democrats, usually focusing on the lead Democrat de jure (Obama, then Hillary, then Biden, and Harris for a little bit, but also Nancy Pelosi; basically any national Democrat you’ve ever heard of) as today’s Mastermind Root of All Evil.
The conspiracy is not “The government is spying on me”, the conspiracy is “‘They’ are destroying America, and we need to stop ‘Them’” which are two very different things. Fascist apocalypse cult Q-Anon occasionally had believers frustrated that Trump wasn’t being authoritarian/fascist enough and concocting even more theories to explain why Hillary Clinton hadn’t been executed live on Fox News yet.
The days of conspiracy theorists being paranoid local cranks is over and has been for decades. Conspiratorial thinking is now explicit Republican messaging, and as it turns out conspiracy theorists love being pandered to. They’re not concerned about being spied on or handing supreme executive power to a nebulous group of elites, they’re concerned about the “wrong people” getting power (the “wrong people” being liberals, most women, non-whites, non-Christians, and non-conservatives) and convincing themselves of all the evil, terrible things that ‘They’ will do once ‘They’ get power (which, of course, justifies any action taken to stop ‘Them’)
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Conspiracy theorists are not a monolith. There are varying degrees of it and people are across the spectrum of what the believe or not.
I’m not familiar with this. Would you EILI5?
Because it’s not actually realistic. I use palantir, it’s not some crazy see all software. It’s not even a surveillance tool, at the end of the day it’s a software that does multiple things, like a Microsoft office of analytic and mapping tools, that’s it. You get out of what what you put in, it’s not palantir that’s out collecting the data
We definitely are. While I got ya here remember last year when cia agents were reporting being attacked by microwaves from Central America.
I wish that was a joke lol it sounds like an episode of gi joe
It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s public news. Conspiracy theorists want to feel superior for being aware of hidden things with their superior pattern recognition.
Im not sure many people even realize that’s happening
Conspiracy theorists only care about conspiracies that aren’t immediately provable and only affect them in some way.
Interesting that this question came up because I was about to post on how I had a wild conspiracy theory and told an actual conspiracy theorist who was very interested in it, but over the months as I shared more and more supporting evidence for it, he began to completely dismiss it.
They don’t want the surveillance team to know they are angry 😉
Palantir is a tool to parse data. Anyone can license it.
The data they are parsing is the data you’ve acknowledged to provide to all the data services you use.
Data science to further investigative processes isn’t some new revelation.
Not enough numerology, satanic symbols, human sacrifice, and secret cabals for most conspiracy theorists.
Because Fox News isn’t telling them to be angry about that.
Welcome to Libertarianism.
Both major parties will continue to invest in these companies.
Join us. We’ll lose so many elections together.
Are you serious. We have been under surveillance for decades. Lol. This is a non issue.
Some of us are. Project Gotham, y’all.
It’s not as fun when it’s true
Why get mad about something you’ve told someone about for years? It’s sad if anything. I can show a friend something that has literally come to pass and is active and they’ll say “is that a fake website?”. Lol
Whats makes me mad is, I’m on the burning ship with you.😄🙄
Cause its true; its not a conspiracy.
They would say it’s all part of Trump’s plan to … do something … eliminate Sundays or something. Listening to Alex Jones justify every single thing Trump does is a good workout for the brain.
We know the deep state uses many different means to spy on the population
Bc the white supremacy circle is a snake eating itself.
Conspiracy theorists primarily glean enjoyment from the belief that they have special, secret knowledge that others are not privy to. As such, the moment a conspiracy has actual evidence in its favor that would convince the average person of its truth, it immediately loses all of its appeal to conspiracy theorists.
Because they’re dumb enough to think “It’s My Government, so they won’t spy on me; only those damn liburuls!” 🙄
Because a lot of the conspiracy theory community are also Trump supporters
I am of the opinion that people like Alex Jones are the end result of things like MK Ultra, he huffs and he puffs about crazy things which just distract from the actual issues.
It is not a ‘theory’ that society consists of the haves and the have nots, The entire point of people like Jones is to confuse what the problem is, he throws in enough pure crazy to bouncing around actual problems, but the level of crazy ensures no normal, logical person could believe anything he says… this ensures the ‘crazy talk’ about government corruption, blatant shady banking etc gets tossed into the same barrel for the majority of people.
So actual discussion of real problems which are tied up with the crazy struggle to get actual journalists to investigate because who wants to taint their professional career being compared to Jones. This means things like the Panama papers, Pandora etc come out but kinda get skirted around…. because as soon as the majority of people start digging they get flooded by Jones et all kind of distractions and connections or the public just here ‘conspiracy’ and assume it is ‘crazy talk’.
Because the ‘theorists’ are not covering this, the people who need to be told what to think are not going to get mad about it because this is ‘the mainstream’ trying to distract us from the whatever.
All the crazies got the government they wanted and they still can’t stfu about Liberals. Fucking deranged.
Because we realize this has been going on for 20 years
Why aren’t normal people angry?
Because it is actually happening and they are conspiracy theorists not conspiracy realists.
There’s nothing we can do about the surveillance. It was planned long before we could even fight it. We’ve moved on to things we can actually fight.
And survallienc is actually useful at a basic level too.
Because they are all MAGA. The desire to CT the “F” out of that runs counter to talking shit about a MAGA thing. Same with all of Musk’s government contracts
It’s easier to just blame things on some Project Blue Beam or MK Ultra bs than actually do your research and realize there’s no need for the rulers of the world to hide behind closed, but that they do whatever they want out in the open
Because they’ll believe what the propaganda puppet masters will want them to believe. That is the greatest conspiracy of all, it’s a real one, and it flew right over them.
Because they’re dumb
Because the vast majority of these “conspiracy theorists” are two faced assholes. They screamed bloody murder when it was a liberal government, but as soon as Trump came in, suddenly everyone is silent.
Because they think the surveillance is directed at “those people”, you know: “them”. The undesirables.
They are never actually anti government. They’re anti democrats.
Conspiracy Theorists only make noise about complete nonsense. When there’s actual conspiracies causing actual problems and damage they go silent.
Mostly because these tend to be the same people who would vote for someone like Trump and Elon.
I don’t have an answer, but a question that might give you an answer…
Where, on all of the internet, are people allowed to actually talk about real conspiracies?
Reddit is heavily moderated and doesn’t value free speech, 4chn is kill, YouTube & Google’s social media is arguably the most censored, Rumble is filled with hollow earth schizos, and twitter isn’t the best platform for discuss either.
And if you try to speak about anyone IRL about “conspiracies” then you’ll be met with the deer-in-headlights look or they’ll just ask if you caught the latest sportsball.
Honestly… I’m thinking they won
They only use conspiracy theory’s for attention, this is true so no fun to them.
A democrat isnt in office so they dgaf.
Because they are all Maga.
The motto of conspiracy theory is “follow the money”. Which is actually really good advice. The problem is, way too many conspiracy theorists are really bad at actually following the money. The real answers to where it’s going are obvious and boring, so they’d rather have a good story.
Conspiracy theories can be picky about what they’re mad about. Palantir might not fit their current “bad guy” narrative. It’s like having a specific villain in mind, and then a new one shows up not everyone switches targets at once.
Sadly, a lot of those folks (not all) are actually just anti-Democrat and not actually afraid of government overreach. I assure you, that if any of the events of the past 90 days were taking place in a Harris (or any other D) administration they would be up in arms.
What’s unfortunate, is that things like this won’t/don’t just stop with a new administration. This level of overreach can and will be used against people of all stripes…
They’re only afraid of it when it’s a theory.
They are. No one cares. Average people don’t want to hear about dystopian shit, even if it’s verifiable. It’s the same with IMF loans and the government testing stuff on its own populace. People choose to be IGNOREnt and thus, someone actually trying to bring verifiable topics like this to bare are left to shout in a field. People just wanna work their 9-5, crack open a beer when they go home and shut off their brain.
They’re fine with it because it’s Trump that’s doing it. They think it will only be targeted against ‘themmuns’ and can’t comprehend that it will be used against them at some point.
Honestly, I think many of them just don’t know about it. Their media and thought leaders probably would bring it up, or just hand wave it away.
Conspiracy theorists are mostly right wing and will fall in line with anything, ANYTHING, a far right government does.
If they could read, they’d be very upset.
They were. Back after 911 and back when Obama carried it forward.
Isn’t this the plot of Capt America: Winter Soldier?
So the people I’ve known who got caught up in conspiracy theories don’t pay attention to or believe “traditional” media, so they are often unaware of what’s actually being reported on.
In my country, official military spokes people said publically that while it was illegal for the military to spy on its own citizens, its very legal to trade intelligence with other nations, which is why they had put in place a practice of spying on neighbours then trading that info for info on their own citizens. This was completely legal and they for some reason chose to talk about this openly in the media.
You would have expected some outcry from the “central government is evil” crowd that we all assume is out there looking for another angle of why government is bad, but there was just crickets.
I concluded that what we refer to as “the conspiracy gang” is in fact not triggered by publically known information about how the government agencies conduct their business but instead focus on what is done covertly and what is classified.
I think it has to do with paranoia and other mental illnesses, which is why there has to be created a bunch of juicy targets for this crowd to discuss and investigate, else they target real, actual secrets.
I assume aliens and pizzagate are two of these distractions, and Alex Jones et all works as a conductor for the mentally ill, to keep them busy with nonesense.
Full surveilance comes with such insane perks that violation of privacy becomes trivial in comparison. The operations can also include anonymizing the data for the researchers who then work with it, like how they conduct most scientific research involving humans.
The argument for the tech being misused by some future evil government, “Nazi Germany 2.0 but with modern tech, could you imagine??” must be weighed against the insane gain for humanity that you get from collecting as much information as possible from the population. Imagine what anthropologists or sociologists can do with 20 or 50 years of that data. You can track the effect of public policies, investments, etc etc. Invaluable.
In recent years, basically since the Obama birtherism conspiracy was promoted by Donald Trump, the more mainstream conspiracy theorist has been explicitly right-wing and pro-Trump. The focus of various theories has been Democrats, usually focusing on the lead Democrat de jure (Obama, then Hillary, then Biden, and Harris for a little bit, but also Nancy Pelosi; basically any national Democrat you’ve ever heard of) as today’s Mastermind Root of All Evil.
The conspiracy is not “The government is spying on me”, the conspiracy is “‘They’ are destroying America, and we need to stop ‘Them’” which are two very different things. Fascist apocalypse cult Q-Anon occasionally had believers frustrated that Trump wasn’t being authoritarian/fascist enough and concocting even more theories to explain why Hillary Clinton hadn’t been executed live on Fox News yet.
The days of conspiracy theorists being paranoid local cranks is over and has been for decades. Conspiratorial thinking is now explicit Republican messaging, and as it turns out conspiracy theorists love being pandered to. They’re not concerned about being spied on or handing supreme executive power to a nebulous group of elites, they’re concerned about the “wrong people” getting power (the “wrong people” being liberals, most women, non-whites, non-Christians, and non-conservatives) and convincing themselves of all the evil, terrible things that ‘They’ will do once ‘They’ get power (which, of course, justifies any action taken to stop ‘Them’)
what is Palantir ?