Why did Americans stop eating the common carp (Cyprinus carpio)?

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I’ve asked this question a few times before but got no answer yet, taking another crack at it. So… why did Americans stop eating the common carp, Cyprinus carpio? To be clear, I am NOT talking about the “jumping carp” or “Asian carp” introduced in the 1970’s, I am talking about the goldfish-looking one with big scales introduced back in the 1800’s.

It would be helpful to me as well to know:

-WHO was eating common carp in the 1800’s USA?

-HOW did those people prepare it?

-WHY was it brought over? What was the rationale behind transporting this fish species across the ocean?

In my biology/environmental science career, I’ve worked with both invasive species and fishermen. When it comes to intentionally introduced invasives, I can often look at them and be like “ok, it was stupid but I can see why someone wanted to bring this plant over. It looks pretty.” (or looks useful) Now with common carp, I have actually eaten them when I lived in China. They were delicious. The locals did not fillet the fish, and were quite comfortable eating around the pointy bones. In that way, its no more difficult than eating king crab legs or peeling the shell off your shrimp. As long as you can pick the bones out, these fish are not too difficult to prepare–basically just pull the guts out, scale them and throw them in a pan/wok with the seasonings you want. So it makes sense to me that, as I have read, the common carp was brought over for the purpose of eating.

So imagine my surprise when I take a job working closely with fishermen in the US and I bring up wanting to catch and eat some carp. The responses I got from them could be summed up as incredulous revulsion. They would state many reasons why we don’t eat them… too bony, they taste like mud, and are bottom feeders. But we eat other so-called “bottom feeders” like cat fish, and common carp themselves are VERY widely eaten across the rest of the globe and are one of the top most farmed fish globally. One of my fishermen friends there caught a huge carp for me, I prepared it in the Chinese way and everyone agreed it was very delicious… except for the fisherman himself, who refused to eat a bite of it. When I’ve seen others ask questions like this on American fishing forums, this incredulous “why would you even want to” distaste comes up as well to the point it borders on taboo.

So… somehow, over a period of many decades, something happened that made Americans go from “Let’s bring these fish we like to eat from Europe so we can eat them here!” To “Keep that garbage fish away from me!” To me this seems like a quite significant cultural shift. Surely the US in the 1800’s was well stocked enough with other kinds of fish, and the intentionality of bringing it over makes me feel someone was at least a little enthusiastic about eating it… usually when non-native species were brought over on purpose it is because someone missed them from their home country. I think it just really bugs me as an environmentalist because it feels like such a waste… that we have damaged our freshwater systems for nothing. Maybe it has something to do with the same reason, culturally, we no longer feel comfortable consuming giblets and head cheese and stuff like that? This question has been on my mind for years and I just haven’t had luck finding a satisfactory answer on the internet, if anyone knows the answer please let me know! It would soothe my fish-obsessed soul!

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  2. Chickmagnetwompaone Avatar

    My apologies if not using proper reference for this please correct me. Austro hungarian immigrants specifically of bohemian/moravian would probably eat carp around the holidays. Their preference for carp as a Christmas dish is both a religious and cultural (Czech Village & New Bohemia
    History in the Heartland dave rasdal 2016). The ease of farming and availability of fresh fish around the advent made it very lucrative as the traditions of fasting for christmas were replaced. the fish was also a “non meat” according to some sects so it was allowed during fasting and probably more readily available to other winter harvests like goose.

    Bohemia and surrounding areas started creating artifical ponds atleast one thousand years and it is still a huge part of their surface water management (10.2478/mgr-2021-0014 , frasier jindrich). These waterways and ponds are still in use today for both commercial carp farming and recreational sport fishing as well as surface water retention. The metrics are pretty dated but Vyzkumny ustav rybařsky a hydrobiologicky, CZ 389 25 Vodńany, Czech Republic shows the prevelance of carpio as a catch right. This also goes over the return of private ponds that were placed under state control during occupation.

    This is a small to medium slice of immigrants but depending on where you were the Czech, slovaks and east Bavarians would be used to eating carp for atleast holidays. You might czech out population centers in the mid west and west during the 1850-1920 for more local histories. There are quite a few publications covering the history of the bavarian/moravian carp farming, you might need to get translations. The classic christmas dinner is fried sometimes stuffed carp for christmas dinner and a nice fish head soup for christmas day. Don’t forget the lemon.

  3. dreaminn5 Avatar

    This question has been asked about 10 times in the past few years, and unfortunately has not been quite answered.

    /u/Kaexii has the closest thing to an answer here:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/z9ay7k/in_the_earlier_history_of_the_united_states_why/

  4. Fusselwurm Avatar

    I have heard a similar prejudice (“tastes like mud”) is common in Germany. 

    An explanation from a German publication: if you keep them in eutrophic ponds, blue algae thrive that will give the carp a bad taste.   

    A common solution is to keep the fish in clear water a couple of days before killing it for consumption 

     https://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/essen-und-trinken/dieser-fisch-oder-keiner-89322

    So my take would be: the problem is intensification  and over-availability of nutrients in modern agriculture/aquaculture .