I hear this very often. Men have this romanticized version of what their mother’s generation of women were. They used to feed them, were loyal, never raised their voice or was “promiscuous”. They use this to shame women, they would say “Our mother’s generation was the last generation of good women” “The women in this generation are hoes and cheating whores bla bla”. Like why do men romanticize the past so much? Why do they want their mother’s generation of women back? On the other hand, I hardly see a girl saying our fathers generation men were the last good men or romanticize men from those generations like men do. The closest I think I hear is like “Men used to go to wars and now they do podcasts.” “Men used to build houses and now they do this and that.” But that doesn’t imply that women are saying the men from their fathers generation were like saints or they want those men back.
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“The legal and social subjugation of women seemed to work out well for me and the people I identify with!”
On the other hand, growing up I thought my Dad’s generation was the first good generation of men. My Dad watched his own father fuck it right up, so as a father in the 80s/90s he didn’t drink, he was as present as he could be while working long hours. He took time off to care for us. He coached sports and never missed a parent-teacher meeting. He made sure his daughters were just as financially savvy (if not more so) than his sons. He took the longest pat leave he could get away with…
I assumed it would just keep getting better. Ha!
I will step up and say it: I flat won’t date men born after 1970 or so. There’s a disconnect for me that isn’t solvable. Women? You can be as old as the hell you want. But with men, there’s a vintage that I click with and once they’re gone, I’m done.
For the same reason a certain sect of white people romanticize the past—they had the power and they aren’t happy it’s gone. Men benefit from patriarchy and women don’t. Of course unevolved men yearn for the days when women were subservient.
I don’t want to invalidate you pondering it, because there’s plenty to analyze in these dynamics. The problem is it’s culture war nonsense distraction.
I can’t speak on the part of women saying about men cuz I haven’t personally observed it.
but men saying that shit about women is evidently and transparently part of the alt right crusade and platform. The men you hear regurgitating it are just marks—they were conned and are serving their masters by spreading those glib little catchphrases.
The same catchphrases that the conservative and alt right elites spend literally millions of dollars work shopping, focus group testing, refining, and mass distributing. With the express intent of distracting all of us enough to be unable to fight back against what MATERIALLY MATTERS.
For this reason I strongly recommend treating it as the irrelevant, stupid bullshit it is and ignoring it. If they’re IRL call it out and move on, avoid or gray rock them after that.
I’m not sure that’s true… women complain about “men these days” all the time which implies that men at some point in the past were better. specifically, there’s a perception that men from previous generations were more willing to commit and settle down because they didn’t spend decades of their lives chasing casual sex.
I haven’t seen women say that men from times past are perfect, but there are ABSOLUTELY women who value chivalry who’d say men from past generations are the last good ones.
Men do it more, but I think you’re just not in the circles where women do it. Like I’m not even 100% men do it more, it’s closer than you think.
I never hear men say this. What country/culture are you from?
I truly feel bad for you that the men in your world consistently denigrate women—my guess is that they find more reasons than just the fact that women are exercising their sexual freedoms.
I also do not think the boomer generation is one of “good men.” Nor is this generation, or the next. As individuals sure; as a group, not so much.
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Not my place to guess which generation of men was better, but I do wonder if they used to be less annoying
lol I would immediately judge any man who said this as someone who’s opinions have no merit. It’s just misogynistic nonsense.
“My mother absolutely catered to the family to her own physical and mental detriment, and I’m upset that women are exercising their agency these days because it takes attention away from me whenever I want it.”
I think the reason why we’re getting so many millenial men involved as parents and doing more housework is because they saw how shitty their fathers’ generation’s men were.
Yeah it’s definitely delusional. And the amount of men who hate their wives is staggering. People given a choice in romantic partners is actually a good thing. And men who complain like this want to play victim but they actually have more choices too in a feminist society.
Because they want their women to mommy them, not be a partner that expects equal adult duties, like 50/50 on child rearing, house keeping, errand running, emotional support, cooking, budgeting, house holding organizing and scheduling and providing
Every time I hear this I ask them when they plan on getting therapy for their jocosta complex. I also tell wives and GFS the shit men say about them behind their backs. Idgaf. I’m not going to be complicit in the abuse of these women simply because these grown ass dudes can’t fucking crawl out of their mom’s vaginas.
Ask them why men have never had a generation where they were considered good men by women, and when will they step up to the standard they hold these women to.
Misogynistic propaganda peddled by the manosphere to alienate and enrage men and keep them lonely, isolated and vulnerable to indoctrination. I mean how else do conservative ideologies perpetuate themselves?
I see UK nostalgia posts on fb of women in headscarfs scrubbing their doorsteps on hands and knees at the crack of dawn, and the number of mf-ers commenting how women had pride in their homes in those days etc. The women looked miserable af too.
Men today would still love for women to be slaving away for them with no complaints just like their grandfather’s had.
We’re getting there fast too.