It used to be “he’s cooked” meant “he’s done for” or “it’s over for him”, but now “he cooked” and “let him cook” ambiguously means the exact opposite, and both versions of “cook” are now being mixed in regular speech.
I never down the new slang that the kids try to make happen, but using an existing slang and switching the meaning to its exact opposite is annoying.
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I mean bad means good to some people.
Being the cooker is good. Being the cookee is bad. That’s always been intuitively the case.
i mean… you are either the one cooking or you are the one being cooked, it’s pretty simple for me
Slang is just a form of fashion and not everyone will like certain trends. I dont think this is an unpopular opinion.
let him cook isnt really bad, it means your doing good or making a good point.
a lot of words have double/context dependent meanings. it’s not new or unusual.
Same thing with sick and a bunch of swearwords
You’re cooked (Cooked = Adjective) = bad
Versus
You cooked (cooked = verb) = good.
Hasn’t it basically gained a new grammatical role rather than switching the meaning?
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!
if the person doing the cooking is “winning”/doing something successfully, then it makes sense that the person BEING cooked is having the opposite happen to them -> losing to somebody/in some way. idk it makes sense to me.
Bruh they are still the same meaning just one is a verb and one an adjective.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan – 1982
Carol Marcus, proudly showing Kirk the success of the Genesis project: “Can I cook or what?”
please, both contexts have been use longer than the internet. this is not new. from early both has been used and the earliest record for let him cook/he cooked is pretty much reported in the early 1800s and cook as in he’s done for from the 1920s.
“now”?
no.
Can’t decide if this opinion is shit or the shit
A singular word having 2 drastic different meanings depending on context isn’t anything new. Take the word “bomb”. Saying “John sang karaoke last night, he’s the bomb” and “John sang karaoke last night, he bombed”. In the first one John did amazing. In the second he did very badly.
Other words can have a ton of different meanings. “Fuck” being one of the more popular ones.
If you’re old enough, you’ll remember when stupid meant three things. Good, Bad and Dumb.
Sometimes there is no saving or stopping slang.
That’s sick!
It’s contextual and the surrounding letters matter. Which is how language works lol. I feel like your point has no point at all.
It’s the difference between “This is shit” and “This is the shit.”
Okay but you cooked (good) vs your cooked (bad) there is very clearly a difference that I really don’t understand how you don’t get that at least with those two in particular
I doubt any of them could compete in the kitchen.
You’re shit vs. you’re the shit
You’re dope vs. you’re a dope
Cooked (adj) vs. Cooked (v)
Tale as old as time
It’s all about Context
This take is so cooked it cooked
Roasting is a kind of cooking. Maybe that helps
you want to cook not be cooked very easy to explain.
When someone is cooked it’s bad, but when someone is doing the cooking, it’s good. The meaning doesn’t fluctuate. There’s plenty of verbs like that: he’s f-d vs he’s f-ing.
I’m fucked, this guy fucks…this is a you problem.
What about “she’s a bitch” vs “she’s that bitch”? There’s a lot of examples of this that isn’t new slang.
When has this not been the case?
God forbid unc finds out about all the different meanings “shit” has
I hate how “sick” can be a good or bad thing now
It isn’t based off old slang it’s based off the word the old slang was based on. The old slang retired so new slang developed.
You essentially hate the flow of time, and that your word isn’t used enough anymore. That’s weird, just start using it.
Context Is key OP.
If I cross you up in basketball, I cooked you and you got cooked. By me.
What? How about you killed it, vs you got killed? Normally opposites mean the opposite.
Context is everything.
You say someone is shit and they’re a bad person, but you say someone is THE shit, and they’re a legend.
How’s it any different than “sick”
You know what, you kind of cooked with this. But you’re probably gonna get cooked in the comments.
I mean “let him cook” implies that he is cooking something. “He’s cooked” implies he is the something being cooked. It makes sense that one is negative while the other is positive.
Several English words already do that, this is just one more.
You can both “cleave to” a thing and “cleave apart” a thing. You can be sanctioned to use the store bathroom, or sanctioned from using it. You can be fast, as in moving, or hold fast, as in not moving.
They’re called contronyms, we’ve got a few, always have.
being cooked is shit, but cooking is the shit
The negative connotation is newer than the positive one…
It’s like…associated with The Rock.
No different than waaaaay back when people used “bad” for something being good. Wasn’t confusing then and this is even more clear what the person means.
How I think of it:
If you’re holding the pot. You’re good.
If you’re in the pot. You’re bad.
Well fire, “dumpster fire”, or “that was fire.” “What’s good?” Can be both a threat and a greeting.
“Peace”, can be used as a greeting, interjection, invitation, or a farewell.
These are all examples of Polysemy:
“When a single word or phrase has multiple related meanings (e.g., “fire” as literal flame, something exciting, or a disaster).”
being a man that is cooking has historically always been better than being a man that is on the grill
Not bad meaning bad, but bad meaning good – Run DMC
I like it.
OP is cooked. Don’t let OP cook.
I envy your worry free life that you have time and energy to spend on hating such a insignificant thing
Why do I feel like I heard it the opposite way as you? I started hearing cook in a positive form before a negative form.
OP you kinda cooked with this one fr fr
I’ve read cook so many times in this thread it no longer sounds like a real word.
This is arguably one if the most obvious slang terms if you think about it for long enough. I wouldn’t want to be cooked, as in lit on fire, I would like to cook as in make good food