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Why are pro-natalists, particularly the ones with eugenic ideas, so heavily concerned with the fertility of others?

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The way I’m understanding the pro-natalist movement, it’s never far away from racial supremacy and eugenics.

If people without their ideas aren’t reproducing, shouldn’t they see it as a victory given that it will be their children and therefore mostly their ideas which will conform the makeup of the future?

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    Is it possible that you don’t actually understand the pro natalist movement then?

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    To those saying that the motivation of all pronatalists is racism or xenophobia, aren’t you open to the possibility that at least a good number of pronatalists are in favour of protecting the vulnerable lives of the unborn? You might not agree with that take, but maybe try to be a bit more charitable in your interpretation of their position? I can see both sides of a lot of issues, even if I come down on one side or the other, and most people on most issues are reasonable and their position is morally justifiable.

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    There are two primary strands of pronatalism. One is social / cultural and the other economic

    1. ⁠Economic – our current economic system requires a stable to growing workforce to support those out of the workforce. For you to receive your promised pension / social security and retiree medical care at the levels you expect, this has to be true under the current system. A shrinking working age population requires substantial changes to our current social welfare systems, which requires hard choices that politicians are reluctant to pursue. For this reason, the primary adherents of this strain of pro-natalism comes from the political class.

    https://irihs.ihs.ac.at/id/eprint/6066/1/ihs-working-paper-2022-davoine-cross-country-differences-in-the-long-run-economic-impacts.pdf#:~:text=Driven%20by%20increases%20in%20the%20life%20expectancy,on%20the%20financing%20of%20old%2Dage%20social%20security.

    1. ⁠Social / cultural and – developed countries are seeing birth rates that are not only below replacement, but increasingly well below replacement levels. To even approach replacement levels requires very substantial levels of international migration. This migration brings with it social and cultural discord, as we have seen in most developed western nations over time. Social / cultural pro-natalists propose a different way to achieve replacement levels of international birth rates; via increases in own citizen birth rates. They believe that this will reduce social and cultural by having a society raised in its culture be self-replenishing. This strain of pro-natalism often crosses over with racism, or is accused of doing so, because the developing nations with high birth rates are overwhelmingly made up of people of a different race. This is both a valid critique of pro-natalism and a simplification. The genesis of anti migrant sentiment is often found to be economic privation, as opposed to the migration itself. Policymakers would benefit from focusing on these root causes to lower native population perceptions around migration that drive pronatalism popularity.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7cae8eed915d6969f46990/social-cohesion-integration.pdf