I don’t seem to understand how these two differ, and how some people claim ANYONE can work hard. If that was the case, everyone would be hitting the ceilling in everything, and only talented people would shine. But as we all know, sometimes ”working hard” beats ”pure talent”, because not everyone works hard enough. So I fail to see how ”hardwork” isn’t just as genetic and dependent on how you were raised as talent is (see how someone raised to play chess since birth is basically guaranteed to become atleast master level, if not grandmaster).
People trash on eachother for blaming their lack of talent for being bad at something, saying ”well, that’s on you for not working hard enough!!!” as some people just can’t give their all at all times.
I am completely open for new perspectives.
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I used to be a hard worker. Then became inefficient worker.
Rock Lee is a genius of hard work! I agree.
You Rock Lee?
There’s no such thing as innate talent or being naturally good at something. It’s all nurture and hard work.
The differences come from what you’re more interested in. That gives you the drive to practice.
If you want to redefine “talent” to include “willingness to work hard” then you can but I don’t see what you get out of it
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Really trying to wrap my head around this, I thought I was getting it but I’m confused about “Hard Work” being considered a genetic trait. Maybe more accurately you mean the capacity to do hard work, because the work itself obviously has no genetic component. The biggest bottlenecks to doing hard work are health and inclination, then there are resources as well (some things require a lot of expensive investment). The ability to put in hard work, the ability to learn how to learn, these are skills themselves, and not everyone has that skill. When someone rises to a high level based only on talent and reaches a point where they are no longer exceptional compared to their peers, they often start to flounder as they don’t have the foundational learning skills that “hard workers” have practiced for years.
Everything is relative. Hard work is subjective, and ones definition is different than the next. So what you call hard work could be a light day for me. Example: Actors and actresses sucking and fucking trash like piddy or wienstien. They would call that working hard. I would call that being a whore. But take Daniel Day Lewis. He works hard, in my opinion.
As someone diagnosed with inattentive type ADHD as an adult, I kinda agree. Sometimes trying my best is more like trying my best at trying my best.
I’ve come across psychological theories and studies that the very concept of laziness is actually just a myth. That there’s always some other psychological or neurological thing going on.
Having said that, we all make choices along the way. The choice to give up (and the choice to give up isn’t always the wrong one). The choice to try. Etcetera.
I agree. Some people have an easier time applying themselves than others. Being hardworking is a talent too. Yet people seem to get more credit for it than for having other talents like music/sport because people act like those talents aren’t earned, but being hardworking somehow is morally superior to ‘unearned’ talents?
Agree so can’t upvote, sorry!
Except that what top performers in any area have in common is hard work, not talent. Some people might have a predisposition to work hard and some people might have a prediposition to a particular skill, bth both skills must be practiced and honed.
Totally.
Being a hard worker is a personality trait that is probably a mix of genetics and environment.
Whereas talent is more genetics and then a little bit of environmental exposure to unlock/reveal the natural talent.
Then you have people who do not have the natural talent AND were not raised to be or are not genetically inclined to be hardworking.
So yeah some people who lack both will be less likely to do well.
Yes, anyone “can” work hard. Doesn’t mean that they will.
I agree. Some people have a natural drive, they love working. They’d be unhappy if they didn’t have work to get stuck into, it energises them. Spending all day chilling, watching TV and playing video games, would make them depressed. But for others it’s the opposite, work makes them depressed. Chilling out energises them. Hence why they have no energy to put in the extra effort to study or improve their careers because they’re drained after working all day. It’s easy for someone to say “You need to go full power, really put in the effort, get stuck in!” when it comes much easier to them, when the very thought of that motivates them.
>So I fail to see how ”hardwork” isn’t just as genetic and dependent on how you were raised as talent is
I mean it is, I don’t think that you’re wrong, it’s just that hard work is usually defined as effort and not a talent. It’s very subtle what you’re talking about (imo), but the way I see it hard work and talent oppose each other so much that defining hard work as a ‘talent’ isn’t a good argument.
I still don’t fully get your position, though, if you’re open to discuss further please do reply as I’m quite intrigued.
I would say that talent, as it is used by the average person, means someone has a combination of natural abilities, a high level of interest, and an aptitude for something. People who are highly talented tend to get far more out of the same amount of work.
Being hard-working is different. This is more often about putting in far more work than everyone else to get ahead. They may be no better than the average person in innate ability but work harder than everyone else to become among the best.
In most domains, most of the top performers have a mix of talent and work ethic. With billions of people in the world, most domains have thousands of people who are hardworking and thousands of people who are talented. It is the people who are both that tend to end up at the top.
Working hard isn’t a talent. Anyone can put the time and effort into anything and get passable at it. I think what you should be highlighting is not anyone but CAN. The reason everyone doesn’t hit the ceiling is because very few ppl are willing to do it. No one realistically expects you to give your everything all of time. That sounds exhausting af. At the end of the day everyone needs to work hard. Something that comes naturally to you will require less work from your side as compared to someone it doesn’t.