When someone commits a heinous crime, they should suffer in the same way they inflicted on others. People might be evil but they’re NOT dumb. No one’s going to be like “omg I didn’t know stabbing someone in the throat was illegal! I didn’t know setting a dog on fire was illegal!” That’s why they hide it, because they know it’s wrong. And if they know it’s wrong and did it anyways then they deserve to suffer in the exact same way. If you kill someone for fun, their family should be able to kill you in a controlled environment, or appoint someone to if they don’t want to do it themself. If you torture an animal/human, you should be tortured in the same way for the same duration.
For less serious crimes like theft and stuff I can understand rehab, and they can pay the money back or make up for it some other way, but crimes where you cause suffering to others should receive the same punishment. I don’t give a fuck about rehab in these cases, you blew your chance when you did the horrible thing
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Hammurabi?
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This is an unpopular take. And it’s unpopular because it’s very, very dumb. Take my upvote
How do you “eye for an eye” setting a dog on fire?
I semi agree.
But J don’t think it should be completely tit for tat, like if you burn someone alive and torture them, you get burnt alive and tortured too.
We know it’s wrong. We don’t need to create some dystopian society that enacts calculated horror upon the perpetrator. Because then we get too involved in administering atrocities.
I do think the family should have the right to sentence them though. To capital punishment, or life sentence, and such, whatever they wish. But only when the evidence is irrefutable and infallible. Which is a sticky situation, because the justice system anywhere and everywhere is so riddled with corruption.
physical punishment has been proven time and time again that it doesn’t work to stop reoffenders. I understand the urge to make these people suffer the same way they made others suffer, but if the goal is less violence, less reoffending and less overall crime, then rehab and therapy is the way to go.
EDIT TO ADD: Take the scandinavian prison system for example, they have a very low reoffending rate, at about 20%, while the US prison reoffending rate is almost 70% according to a study done in 2008. The Scandinavian prison system focuses on rehabilitation and teaching the inmates useful work skills that they can transfer to real jobs when they get out so they don’t rely on illegal jobs to get money.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. We’ve known this for a long time.
Did you forget that the saying ends with “makes the whole world blind?”
theres a reason it went away, genius.
The good ol’ hammurabi code
Presumably if you get the wrong person and they are tortured and murdered to death then you are happy for the same to happen to you in return yeah? Because that’s where this logic ends up.
And prisons are full of people who were wrongly convicted even after the invention of DNA fingerprinting and modern surveillance tech. That’s why, morality aside, this is stupid even on a practical level. Wrongful convictions occur and amputations, mutilations and executions and whatever other bizarre options you have in mind are not reversible. Frankly, “whoopsie, we fucked up – soz!” is not going to cover it.
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> they should suffer in the same way they inflicted on others
Too many people like you misinterpret what “eye for an eye” was actually for in the ancient times.
Tribal conflicts that predate any form of governing body and law had zero rules against acts of vigilantism that exceeds what was convicted by someone. This was brought up to protect them to set the boundary of punishment to be confined within “eye for an eye” and nothing further.
Its actual implementation in the ancient times and its implication portrayed in the media nowadays are two completely different things.
there’s a bit of a gap in that logic. How do you really know someone committed a crime just “for fun” versus acting in self defence but going too far? Or what if it was an accident, how do you determine the difference between a tragic mistake and intentional harm?
Intent matters, and it’s not always clear cut case. A lot can go wrong in how a case is handled, missing context, poor investigations, or even bias. And let’s not forget that there are people in prison right now who are innocent, who were framed, or didn’t get a fair trial
Eye for an eye? You could have aimed higher. How about a head for an eye?
I sort of disagree. That said, I can agree that punishment should be prioritized, rehab after.
The problem is, when the state engages in extreme violence against its citizens as a punishment, it has the effect of normalising extreme violence as an appropriate response. Children who grow up in such an environment are more desensitised to the idea of violence and as a result, are ironically often more violent.
If you can come up with a fail-safe way to prove 100% of the time that the person convicted is guilty beyond all doubt, then yes an “eye for an eye” system would be worth looking into.
The problem, however… too often, people are wrongly convicted and then later exonerated, often posthumously.
Courts should not be using testimonial evidence by witnesses to pass judgment, yet they are anyway. DNA could be tampered with. A defendent could be tricked into confessing. The judge and/or jury could use bias to make a decision, often unfairly discriminating against a minority.
Peoples’ recollections can be distorted by stress, fear, poor visibility, etc. and memories can fade… we can witness the same event and come away with completely different accounts.
This is why the Innocence Project exists in the USA and why most other first-world countries do not have capital punishment.
Capital punishment doesn’t work as a discouragement. There’s plenty of data showing that.
If you want to inflict punishment, an eye, an ear, and a hand for an eye would be better.
According to game theory, while some retaliation important, pure tit for tat is not the ideal strategy when competing with a group. Its important to retaliate to some degree, but also to allow for some forgiveness. Veritasium goes over the subject very well if you are interested.
https://youtu.be/mScpHTIi-kM?si=QXyb_PiQJYUOIt0D
Also, this doesn’t work.
This is literally how punishments were handled for thousands of years and it didn’t solve crime.
Addressing the underlying causes of crime solves crime.
It’s like trying to cure cancer by being hard on cancer even though it just creates more cancer as opposed to looking at why it started in the first place and going after that.
This won’t mean less crime. People who commit crimes don’t commit them thinking they are going to get caught. Either they are arrogant enough to assume they won’t or they are in a state of mind such as anger where it doesn’t even cross their mind
Rapists are gonna love this system.
FACTS. Like, if you’re out here torturing animals or people, you knew that was messed up, so why should you get a cozy rehab sesh? The idea of letting victims’ families handle business in a controlled way?
But hold up—shit could get messy real quick. You start mirroring every crime and you’re basically greenlighting torture and executions, which is giving restorative justice 2.0 vibes. Plus, who’s deciding what’s “heinous” enough?
One day it’s murderers, the next it’s some dude who stole a car getting his hand chopped off. Slippery slope fam. And what if the system gets it wrong? Innocent people could get screwed
I’m all for making creeps pay for their actions but maybe we keep it less… medieval? Like, hard labor, restitution or some psychological horror-level community service for the less evil stuff. For the real monsters, lock ‘em up forever or something, but going full blazing-guns might have us all living like Gotham city.