It’s safe to say that both the left and the right want the Epstein files released and the individuals named in them held accountable, regardless of who they are. So what’s stopping us from demanding that this administration release the files? Do we not have the power?
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First of all just because somebody is on the list doesn’t mean they broke any laws. That’s a good reason why the list should not be released, people don’t get that. But you are correct “the people” don’t have a right to demand that list be released, absent a court order there is no basis for. It’s not a public document. If the police investigate a crime and then somebody is charged, that will be public record, but not the entire list. At any given point all kinds of people are being investigated for all kinds of reasons and that’s not public either, for obvious reasons.
The people have the power to do pretty much anything. They simply don’t ever unite and agree to do something as a whole.
civilians want the list released. politicians do not because many of them are old and corrupt enough to have possibly been on the list such as Trump and Clinton.
Yes, we do have the power to demand the release of the Epstein files but only if enough people speak up, stay loud, and pressure both political leaders and the justice system. What’s stopping it is a mix of legal delays, institutional protection, and a lack of sustained public pressure. If we really want accountability, it’s on us to keep pushing.
Without a doubt everyone we think is there, is there.
Go ahead and demand. You’ll receive a “no” and that’s that.
Republicans support that stuff if it’s on their side.
They believe it is their God given right.
Whatever will be released will be edited, and have the names of everyone but their scapegoats removed.
If Trump was on the files, why didn’t the Biden administration release them?
If Biden was on the files, why doesn’t the Trump administration release them?
The Left and the Right are two wings of the same bird, and they’re equally corrupt. Their goal is to keep us at each other’s throats, so that we may never revolt.
Donald Trump. Because he’s implicated. Epstein groomed at Maralago and that’s in court records.
This isn’t Kansas anymore. He doesn’t play by rules. You may have to circumvent the rules in order to hold him accountable. In the meantime, he plans to rob the American people blind. The sooner you act on this the better. Good Luck
I’m gonna say… Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Elon Musk.
We do not have the power. The FBI controls the documents and if they are involved in an open investigation or they determine they are private they can not release them. This is for obvious reasons. An investigation would be hurt by the release of evidence and if the FBI couldn’t bring charges releasing private information would be retaliation and a violation of a personal privacy rights.
The President can ask the FBI to release them but let be clear. Trump was Epstein’s buddy. Several women have come forward stating that while they were underage Epstein introduced them to Trump and one has come forward saying she had sex with Trump. Trump is known to have attended parties in Epstein’s New York townhome rumored to be very “hedonistic.” Trump was president when Epstein died, never looked into it and wished Ghislaine Maxwell well when she was arrested.
I personally beleive two things.
Trump is all over the Epstein files.
Elon has no insider information. He is just throwing a temper tantrum.
No, power has been getting consolidated away from the people for a long time.
The people who are on the list have the power. Why do you think virtually no one has been prosecuted?
Call your local member of Congress, the House, and both senators. You only have the power to demand, but you need to wield it. Demanding on this sub will not get anything released. You might get some sweet karma, tho.
There is no way magats would ever hold trumpy accountable. There could be a video of him with a 13yo and they would say it’s ok cuz bible. Fooling yourself with their cult mentality.
No, we do not have the power. Never have.
The people on the list have more power and influence than you give them credit for
Anyone who demands access to this information will be crushed
Yep, I think you just have to make phone calls to local representatives, then they stop taking bribe money and work for people instead. Or so I hear.
It is laughable that you think We the People have any power.
Releasing the files will accomplish nothing. It’s no secret who’s on there.
The people on the list have more money then 99% of the rest of the American population, they own all the power and you will not see them releasing information that could hurt anyone they consider on their “side”.
No, we don’t. There are too many people all across the aisle that would be implicated. Any one person going to trial could probably implicate 5 others, and the whole thing would unravel. There are probably plenty of people that want the files released, and all of them that have any power have probably been shown a crosshair aimed at their family
It’s the same Trump story. Getting away with crimes, with his MAGA cult protecting him.
We do not have the power, correct.
I want it released so it no longer becomes a political football so to speak. It’s too easy to accuse your opponent as “someone in the Epstein files” with no way to really verify if it’s even really true, even if they are named it doesn’t have the information to the extent of it, etc but it sours all discourse after
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It’s not safe to say that. The right strongly and openly supports a man that has called Epstein a swell guy that likes his women almost as young as himself.
The people who can release them are in them and/or have powerful friends who are.
Sure, we have the power to demand, but that’s about as powerful as my 4 year old demanding ice cream for breakfast
We do not, correct.
Not enough people actual care enough or have the commitment to working together for a cause. The right would let the world burn as long as it upsets the left, and the left don’t exactly bother finding common ground or working with the people destroying the country. Soooo
Too busy fighting eachother to fight the real problems, which is exactly the point.
There is no list of pedophiles, there’s a list of people who rode on a plane and a list of people who Epstein had contact information for. All the victims road on the plane, innocent people rode on the plane, Epstein has the victims contact info, Epstein had innocent people’s contact info. We release the lists and all of these people are in danger because so many people think the list must be a pedo list and now innocent people and victims are being harassed, hurt, or even killed by people who assume they are pedos.
We do not have any power. At all.
What do you think “the Epstein files” even are? Do you think it’s a little black book with people’s names and the crimes they committed written next to them? I can assure you such a thing does not exist. If it ever did, Ghislaine Maxwell destroyed it the minute Epstein was arrested.
Flight logs have been released. Phone records have been released. On their own, they don’t prove anything, because in addition to all the crimes Epstein was involved in, he was also involved in legitimate business, and untangling the two now is nearly impossible without additional evidence.
“The Epstein files” that everyone talks about, as in a smoking gun list of wealthy predators and the “services” they paid Epstein for, is a myth.
Actually, neither party wants the files released; they probably implicate a lot of very wealthy and influential people in the USA and internationally and neither side wants to lose those wealthy donors.
The left and right want it released, but politicians on the left and right don’t want it released.
Nope. The right doesn’t actually want that.
No, they do not want that, they’re complicit.
People in power, and no, none of them are left, given that no american politician can be something left from center, have on their best interest that you DONT get those files.
So you wont.
First off, why does everyone think there’s some secret list or black book? It would have been very stupid of him to leave evidence laying around .
Second, not everyone whose money he managed or who associated with him were involved in his crimes. If they get publicly identified, their lives are over. The harassment and threats would be unending. So maybe, just maybe, information has been sealed to protect actually innocent people.
Third, that just isn’t how the legal system works. If information has been sealed by the courts, the president can’t just snap their fingers and make it public. That is how it’s meant to be. Yes, we all want our existential revenge on the elite, but this is a matter of law.
From what I gather (and admit my own bias here)
Those on the left it out so everyone named can hopefully face justice
Those on the right want it out because they believe only the people they dislike are on it and they want them punished
Realistically if it ever comes out and the names we all suspect are there (I’ll focus on the 2 relevant ones Bill Clinton and trump) I suspect more on the left will demand charges for both than on the right who will mostly be demanding Clinton get arrested while ignoring trump
No we don’t have the power. All they have to do is slap a top secret classification on it and it won’t be released.
For example, the Kennedy assassination files. They waited till the people were either dead or too old before they were willing to release the files.
And there’s still no guarantee that we’re getting all of it.
The premise of the question is the problem. “The Epstein files” has entered the vernacular to the point where people just assume there’s a folder someplace with information neatly gathered in it.
That represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how federal law enforcement and federal prosecution works. What exists are boxes and boxes of crap: Witness interviews, reams of documents, physical evidence, photographs and videos of everything imaginable…do you want to see 39 pictures of somebody’s bathroom rug? Somebody took those. And the rug itself, too.
All of it totally disorganized. Much of it is sealed as a matter of law because it contains information that could be used to identify minor victims. Some of it would reveal investigatory sources and methods. Any wiretaps are also sealed as a matter of law.
And some of it is, I promise you, just bullshit. Some meth-addled witness probably said Elvis Presley was hiding out on Epstein’s island after the aliens brought him back. People tell cops crazy shit.
From all of that, credible evidence relating to Maxwell was assembled for trial, but that’s already public record. The rest is, I guarantee, a big pile of garbage. For there to be a coherent “Epstein file” somebody would have to take the time to create a file, removing evidence that’s not relevant or reliable or is otherwise precluded from being made public.
Making a file would require someone to curate a file. They never got to trial so they never had to. And now it’s not anybody’s actual job to do it.
The only way they will get out is if they’re leaked most likely, and without some bulletproof evidence people in power will just say they’re faked.
People in power will do everything to obfuscate the situation, and prevent release. People in high places in government (both sides of the aisle) and media are all over those documents, and have used their power to prevent release.
Then there’s the possible CIA/Mossad connection. Epstein was smart enough to get enough people wrapped up that the full details couldn’t ever come out, and he managed to blackmail his way along for a long time before it finally caught up with him.
The only way we will ever see them is if someone with access leaks them. Even then, nothing material will be done.
Because the epstein files, and his black book contain the names of both high ranking Republicans and democrats and people who we don’t even know about yet that probably have immense power and connections.
There is nobody with the power to release it, who is going to Because everyone who has that power is probably included, or connected somehow to it and doing so would incriminate them
Our best hope is someone, secret service, nsa, cia, fbi, ect ect or some other organization anonymously leaks the data online.
The people on that list are what is stopping the people on that list from being made public.
People in the position to do so on both sides don’t want those names getting out.
This is not a political party issue.
We don’t because 1/3 of our population are uneducated rubes whose myelin sheathing is gone due to lead poisoning in ancient poverty houses.
Your leaders don’t want them released. It’s safe to assume every politician active 10 years ago is on that list
At this point, I have to believe there’s nothing in them.
With all the hands that have been all over them across multiple administrations from both parties, if there was damning statements for Clinton, Trump, etc. someone would have leaked it by now.
Someone who left the FBI would have said something.
Someone from the Epstein world who was involved in creating them would have written a book or done an interview.
Someone in the Biden administration would have let it slip during the election.
That’s not to say that any of the expected “names in the files” were not involved in illicit activities. Rather that whatever documentation the DOJ has on Epstein does not include anything listing names and damning statements to go with them
Occam’s Razor tells me the reason that nobody has released the names in the files is simply that they do not exist.