For me, the problem is that 2 in 1 doesn’t adequately condition. To oversimplify, shampoo takes oil out and conditioner puts oil in. That’s why ya do shampoo first. Takes all the dirt out, but now your hair/scalp is too dry. So you condition, which makes it softer and more moisturized. The reason women tend to care about this is because women tend to have longer hair. You can get away with poorly conditioned hair if it’s short because it probably won’t tangle, but if you have longer hair and it’s not conditioned right it’ll tangle really badly.
As far as bar soap goes I feel like most people I know care more about brand it is and what’s in it than what shape it’s in.
Shampoos and conditioners have different surfactants that do two separate things. Shampoos have surfactants that trap dirt to wash away. Conditioners have surfactants that are meant to stay on your hair for conditioning. Adding both to one formulation can sometimes counteract each other.
For me, the 2 in 1 is fine if I didn’t put Got2be hairspray in it. If I did, the 2 in 1 won’t properly clean all the hair spray out so I use a separate shampoo and conditioner.
Cant say the same for every women, but for me I have the odd combination of curly and fine hair, that without using the right conditioner and shampoo somehow turns into one giant, tangled, brittle mess. My folks used the two in one stuff growing up. I had the equivalent of a haystack on my head. What a difference to now, when I know better and use separate, proper shampoo and conditioner for my hair type.
Have you ever tried to do two things at once and just kind of ended up doing a bad job at both? So instead of being more efficient you just end up with two “just OK” results?
That’s 2 in 1 shampoo.
Bar soap I don’t think is bad, I guess it depends on the soap and ingredients and your skin more than anything else. Currently using an artisanal bar soap made with honeysuckle and it rocks.
Just throw a cleanser and a moisturiser together and rub them on your face. Probably works fine, right?
Nah.
And all my bar soap memories do not feel clean and fresh. Mucus-like sludge, or chips of hard, dried material. At best, a slippery, smooth rock ready to bail at any second.
The bar soap I buy is far superior to any of the body or hand washes I’ve used at other people’s homes, they always dry my skin out. I buy decent soap, often handmade with oils, not the mass produced stuff from the supermarket. It’s not that much more expensive than supermarket soap and so much kinder on my skin.
My bf’s mom makes homemade bar soap and it has been a LIFE SAVER. I have eczema on my hands and it would get so bad to point of cracking and bleeding. It was painful but honestly I got used to it. Ever since I started using her soap without all the crap and made with beef tallow my hands have been CLEAR most days and some days ill get the smallest of flare ups. Like a couple little harmless patches. Even in the winter when the cracking happens, no cracking!
If anyone else struggle with eczema I’d highly recommend trying a good quality bar soap. Maybe try a farmer’s market. It might be expensive but its so worth it if you get really bad eczema
The 2 in 1 does both jobs poorly, much like a washer dryer in one (do not believe any marketing around this). Bar soap is fine, so long as it’s not drying out your skin. Personally I can’t use anything other than unscented soap free wash, like QV or cetaphil, but I know lots of people for whom bar soap is fine.
I use a 2 in 1 and have never had any problems with them. My hair doesn’t get greasy really fast and it’s not dry either, I’m assuming it has to do with my hair type or something like that but I don’t know enough about hair to say.
If you have tried other options and find a 2-in-1 gives you a great hair day and a bar soap meets your skin needs, then there is nothing wrong. But there are some issues that can happen.
First is if you insist everyone else should just use the same as you and assume your experience is the default. Just because it works for you at this moment, doesn’t mean it works for everyone and might not work for other versions of yourself. For example, very short virgin hair generally handles 2-in-1 better because the oils from the scalp have less hair to take care of, but as hair becomes longer, it needs more support for moisture and conditioning. Similar for processed or heat damaged hair. This is something women are more likely to deal with than men and there’s a risk of misogynistic attitudes about women wasting money and being easily fooled.
Second is if those products don’t actually work for you, but you refuse to try “women’s” products. A man recognising that in the winter a shower oil is better for his skin than a bar soap isn’t “gay”. It’s basic hygiene and skin care. I love my Aleppo soap during humid summers, but it’s an absolute no go for dry winters. Toxic masculinity and homophobia aren’t cool.
Third is that while there is nothing from with the formats, insisting on buying them purely due to being the cheapest option is concerning. Good bar soaps exist and are usually great value, but those won’t be in “20 for a dollar”. If a person is sacrificing their skin and hair health for the sake of penny pinching but spending lots of more acceptable male purchases like video games, it shows questionable priorities.
Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with bar soaps or 2-in-1. But there can be a lot of issues lurking in the background.
Anything that’s a “multiple in one” type of product very likely isn’t doing any of the individual things it’s supposed to be doing, well. Jack of all trades is a master of none. As for the bar soap, the formulation is different from liquid soap and that difference tends to really dry people’s skin out. That’s the reason I’ve heard most people disliking bar soap, but ofc everyone’s skin is different and ymmv there.
Nothing wrong with bar soap but that 2 in 1 nonsense is like trying to paint and prime a wall at the same time. My curly hair suffered for years because I thought I was being efficient.
2 in 1 was originally marketed as a product for on the go, like at the gym or pool. It washes your hair enough and conditions your hair enough when you haven’t got time or space for a full routine.
It’s like a spork. It spoons well enough and forks well enough when you’re on the go, shovelling a pasta salad into your face between meetings.
At home, you have the time and space to use proper cutlery; and you have the time and space to use individual products.
Bar soap can breed germies that live on the damp surface. I use it anyway rather than creating a lot of plastic waste from pumps. 2 in 1 shampoo conditioner doesn’t work for me but if you like the way your hair looks and feels, go for it. You’re “not supposed” to wash your hair every day but I do and my hair is shiny and healthy. If it’s enough cleaning and enough conditioning for your scalp and hair, rock it.
Bar soap just grosses me out. I’m not saying it’s “scientifically” more gross. The concept of using a physical object that I’ve already scrubbed dead cells off of my body with and has been wet and dried hours if not days prior is enough for me!
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you’re not supposed to use conditioner on your scalp, and can’t really avoid that if it’s 2 in 1
For me, the problem is that 2 in 1 doesn’t adequately condition. To oversimplify, shampoo takes oil out and conditioner puts oil in. That’s why ya do shampoo first. Takes all the dirt out, but now your hair/scalp is too dry. So you condition, which makes it softer and more moisturized. The reason women tend to care about this is because women tend to have longer hair. You can get away with poorly conditioned hair if it’s short because it probably won’t tangle, but if you have longer hair and it’s not conditioned right it’ll tangle really badly.
As far as bar soap goes I feel like most people I know care more about brand it is and what’s in it than what shape it’s in.
It’s the worst of both worlds.
Shampoo and conditioner do opposite things.
Shampoo removes oil, conditioner replaces it. Therefore it’s bad at removing the oil and dirt, whilst also being bad at moisturising the hair.
Basically it makes your scalp greasy and your ends dry and brittle.
Shampoos and conditioners have different surfactants that do two separate things. Shampoos have surfactants that trap dirt to wash away. Conditioners have surfactants that are meant to stay on your hair for conditioning. Adding both to one formulation can sometimes counteract each other.
For me, the 2 in 1 is fine if I didn’t put Got2be hairspray in it. If I did, the 2 in 1 won’t properly clean all the hair spray out so I use a separate shampoo and conditioner.
And for me, that’s about it.
Cant say the same for every women, but for me I have the odd combination of curly and fine hair, that without using the right conditioner and shampoo somehow turns into one giant, tangled, brittle mess. My folks used the two in one stuff growing up. I had the equivalent of a haystack on my head. What a difference to now, when I know better and use separate, proper shampoo and conditioner for my hair type.
2 in 1 is just a fancy term for a moisturizing shampoo. It only partially cleans your hair.
Bar soap cleared my adult acne so i use it on my face and body.
My hair gets greasy quickly, so no way does it need conditioner anywhere near the roots!
I use bars of soap all the time as feel much cleaner than shower gel, plus it’s one less plastic bottle .
Have you ever tried to do two things at once and just kind of ended up doing a bad job at both? So instead of being more efficient you just end up with two “just OK” results?
That’s 2 in 1 shampoo.
Bar soap I don’t think is bad, I guess it depends on the soap and ingredients and your skin more than anything else. Currently using an artisanal bar soap made with honeysuckle and it rocks.
Bar soap is awesome. My skin is happier, and there’s a lot less plastic
The shampoo isn’t shampooing enough and the conditioner isn’t conditioning enough, but as far as bar soap, no probs there!
Just throw a cleanser and a moisturiser together and rub them on your face. Probably works fine, right?
Nah.
And all my bar soap memories do not feel clean and fresh. Mucus-like sludge, or chips of hard, dried material. At best, a slippery, smooth rock ready to bail at any second.
Nah.
The bar soap I buy is far superior to any of the body or hand washes I’ve used at other people’s homes, they always dry my skin out. I buy decent soap, often handmade with oils, not the mass produced stuff from the supermarket. It’s not that much more expensive than supermarket soap and so much kinder on my skin.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Use what you like and works for you.
I love bar soap lol. I get bad skin reactions to perfumes so I use Dove’s bar soap. But only on my body.
Never half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.
Nothing. Use whatever you like. The so called rules are made up by the fashion industry because they want to make more money off of you.
Because shampoo and conditioner do opposite things so not really possible to have both in one
My bf’s mom makes homemade bar soap and it has been a LIFE SAVER. I have eczema on my hands and it would get so bad to point of cracking and bleeding. It was painful but honestly I got used to it. Ever since I started using her soap without all the crap and made with beef tallow my hands have been CLEAR most days and some days ill get the smallest of flare ups. Like a couple little harmless patches. Even in the winter when the cracking happens, no cracking!
If anyone else struggle with eczema I’d highly recommend trying a good quality bar soap. Maybe try a farmer’s market. It might be expensive but its so worth it if you get really bad eczema
The only bad thing about a (good) bar soap is that it mucks up your shower with soap scum real quick regardless of the quality.
The 2 in 1 does both jobs poorly, much like a washer dryer in one (do not believe any marketing around this). Bar soap is fine, so long as it’s not drying out your skin. Personally I can’t use anything other than unscented soap free wash, like QV or cetaphil, but I know lots of people for whom bar soap is fine.
I use a 2 in 1 and have never had any problems with them. My hair doesn’t get greasy really fast and it’s not dry either, I’m assuming it has to do with my hair type or something like that but I don’t know enough about hair to say.
If you have tried other options and find a 2-in-1 gives you a great hair day and a bar soap meets your skin needs, then there is nothing wrong. But there are some issues that can happen.
First is if you insist everyone else should just use the same as you and assume your experience is the default. Just because it works for you at this moment, doesn’t mean it works for everyone and might not work for other versions of yourself. For example, very short virgin hair generally handles 2-in-1 better because the oils from the scalp have less hair to take care of, but as hair becomes longer, it needs more support for moisture and conditioning. Similar for processed or heat damaged hair. This is something women are more likely to deal with than men and there’s a risk of misogynistic attitudes about women wasting money and being easily fooled.
Second is if those products don’t actually work for you, but you refuse to try “women’s” products. A man recognising that in the winter a shower oil is better for his skin than a bar soap isn’t “gay”. It’s basic hygiene and skin care. I love my Aleppo soap during humid summers, but it’s an absolute no go for dry winters. Toxic masculinity and homophobia aren’t cool.
Third is that while there is nothing from with the formats, insisting on buying them purely due to being the cheapest option is concerning. Good bar soaps exist and are usually great value, but those won’t be in “20 for a dollar”. If a person is sacrificing their skin and hair health for the sake of penny pinching but spending lots of more acceptable male purchases like video games, it shows questionable priorities.
Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with bar soaps or 2-in-1. But there can be a lot of issues lurking in the background.
Anything that’s a “multiple in one” type of product very likely isn’t doing any of the individual things it’s supposed to be doing, well. Jack of all trades is a master of none. As for the bar soap, the formulation is different from liquid soap and that difference tends to really dry people’s skin out. That’s the reason I’ve heard most people disliking bar soap, but ofc everyone’s skin is different and ymmv there.
Used 2 in 1 for years thinking I was being efficient. Then my hairdresser literally gasped when she saw my split ends.
Nothing wrong with bar soap but that 2 in 1 nonsense is like trying to paint and prime a wall at the same time. My curly hair suffered for years because I thought I was being efficient.
They don’t work well. That’s it.
2 in 1 was originally marketed as a product for on the go, like at the gym or pool. It washes your hair enough and conditions your hair enough when you haven’t got time or space for a full routine.
It’s like a spork. It spoons well enough and forks well enough when you’re on the go, shovelling a pasta salad into your face between meetings.
At home, you have the time and space to use proper cutlery; and you have the time and space to use individual products.
Bar soap can breed germies that live on the damp surface. I use it anyway rather than creating a lot of plastic waste from pumps. 2 in 1 shampoo conditioner doesn’t work for me but if you like the way your hair looks and feels, go for it. You’re “not supposed” to wash your hair every day but I do and my hair is shiny and healthy. If it’s enough cleaning and enough conditioning for your scalp and hair, rock it.
the price makes me distrust
Bar soap just grosses me out. I’m not saying it’s “scientifically” more gross. The concept of using a physical object that I’ve already scrubbed dead cells off of my body with and has been wet and dried hours if not days prior is enough for me!
I don’t personally use conditioner.