I was born in the US and am a citizen. Would I have to reapply for citizenship, since citizenship would no longer be granted based on birth?
I was born in the US and am a citizen. Would I have to reapply for citizenship, since citizenship would no longer be granted based on birth?
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The government will be able to grant and revoke citizenship at will. That’s the plan. One day you’re a citizen marching in a peaceful protest, the next day you’re a stateless felon on a one-way flight to Sudan or El Salvador. It’s part of making America great again, they say.
I would guess that (you, meaning if jus sanguinis citizenship became law, according to Donald Trump’s executive order), your citizenship would remain valid for the next couple years. However, if U.S. citizens keep voting Republican and the Supreme Court ushers radical new rulings on the 14th amendment, maybe you would be unfairly targetted and be forced to reapply. I guess I can’t really predict the future.
It’s worth reading the EO itself to see what the current Admin is looking do do as step 1… though it doesn’t preclude them from taking further steps: https://www.aila.org/library/president-trump-signs-executive-order-protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship
“Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”
“(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.”
So, the current EO does not seek retroactive removal. However, future actions may attempt to do so. Portions of the current EO is going to be a heavy lift, even with the current SCOTUS. Taking it further and de-papering people would be an even bigger lift.
It’s fair to be concerned, but nihilistic alarmism seems better at demoralizing people than motivating them. Slippery slope arguments are always popular, but generally fallacious.
Nothing. It’s about how citizenship is granted, not how it is kept. It is somewhat difficult to stop being a citizen, and there are laws preventing countries from revoking it.* You already have it.
/* Citizenship revoking is more like an annulment than a divorce. It means it should never have happened in the first place. Generally, it’s if you lie on your applications.
Generally laws don’t apply retroactively. This means that once you’re already a citizen you could only lose it the same way others lose theirs through fraud or something.
If you don’t have a second citizenship it would be illegal to revoke your American citizenship since that would render you stateless and that’s not allowed.
If the change Trump wants granted passes the courts, It won’t be retroactive. but future children of illegal aliens won’t become citizens upon birth.
legal resident alien’s children would become citizens upon birth.
If it did become law, it wouldn’t apply retroactively. It would apply to anyone born after the law. That being said, I think ending the right. of land for citizenship goes against 250 years of precedent, and is a bad idea.
No, your citizenship wouldn’t be changed by changing the law of how we establish citizenship. But it would mean that your place of birth doesn’t guarantee you citizenship and we wouldn’t have laws that are meaningful about what makes you a US citizen. You could have your citizenship revolked for wearing a blue hat, you wouldn’t need to be notified. You’d just go through your life and one day you’d have your US social security taxes refunded to you because you’re not a citizen of any country.
Trump’s EO is heavily challenged in the courts and if the SCOTUS’s ruling on Abrego Garcia is any indicator, they’re not willing to let Trump get away with absolutely anything.
Furthermore Trump’s EO isn’t retroactive so even if it somehow passed there would be no immediate danger to existing citizens. The catch to this is, however, Trump has shown a willingness to deport citizens he doesn’t like. So if his EO is upheld, you might want to start looking at a plan B if America goes full fascist.
Based on the fuckery that’s been going on, I wouldn’t be surprised if they make citizenship a subscription plan. Miss a payment and you lose it. Can’t pay the late fee? Get deported.
Well, legally, it should not apply retroactively. If you had citizenship when born it won’t change. It would just apply to those born after that decision.
This is what gay people married, and then prop 8 passed in California. The people who already married did not have their marriage dissolved. This is standard in the law.
However, a lot of the people supporting this don’t support the law if they don’t agree. I expect this administration would deport people that they want gone for reasons of color, and they will deport them to a third country so 6 effect, will be stateless. I have no doubt this will apply to third and fourth generation people who will have no options.
As others have mentioned, it wouldn’t apply retroactively. Not right away. But you can bet that would be next on Trump’s radar.
At that point, simply being born in the country would no longer be enough to assume citizenship. You would have to prove definitively that at least one of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born. For many people, that would be extremely difficult. For this administration, it makes it easier to deport people that they don’t want in the country.
You would be fine.
So the way I understand it is they want to end non citizens crossing the border to give birth. They are wanting at least 1 parent to be a citizen for the child to be recognized as a citizen.
This is also the way that majority of countries operate.
So an example of who it would prevent:
Say you have a woman from.. Turkey, she crosses into the United- legally or illegally, and while here, she gives birth. The way things are right now, that child would be a United States Citizen, they want to put an end to that.
I am assuming if a law like that passed and there was a change, then people already born here would be “Grandfathered in”, and it would potentially remove a huge reason for people to cross illegally.
Idk though. I’m not a politician. This is just the way I understand it.
“if birthright citizenship became law”
I’m confused as to what you think the law currently is.
Regardless, the real answer to “What would happen to me?” depends on a number of things, chief among them being “Are you white?” and “Are you wealthy?”
These laws specify a date for when the law goes into effect. So like, it would only apply to those born in the U.S. after 2025. It doesn’t include anyone born in the U.S. before then.
If you’re a natural-born citizen then your birthright citizenship would make you a citizen.
If it became law, people would continue to do what they’re already doing and fear monger people who have nothing to worry about in order to change their political beliefs.
In the long term I guess it might depend on (clearing throat) your skin tone and eye shape. Western European Christian types have always been more welcome
You’re asking one of the most anti-Trump communities on the entire internet, outside of Bluesky. Don’t expect an unbiased answer here.
Ex post facto law is unconstitutional in the USA, which means you’re safe. As unfair as I think it is that you get to be a citizen for no reason other than being born here, I unfortunately doubt there will be changes made that are radical enough to target people who are already American citizens.