I watch Bill Maher for example, and he has been a little bit critical of it, as Sam Harris has and many others. But do you think the Party in general is moving away from Woke, and if so, why>
I watch Bill Maher for example, and he has been a little bit critical of it, as Sam Harris has and many others. But do you think the Party in general is moving away from Woke, and if so, why>
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What is “Woke” mean to you?
Two giant red flags for me in post-election analysis.
People who think the agenda should be centered on what we have come to understand as “woke” issues/policies.
People who think the “woke” issues and policies are the main reason why democrats lost.
Bill Maher is real big on #2
“Woke” is often used pejoratively. If you are talking about the progressive movement, the only backlash it really receives now is from conservatives and other reactionary groups. Almost all liberals are advocates for social justice. Everybody’s opinion is different, though, and this is just from my experience.
The word woke can mean so many things to many people, but yes, overall there’ve been an I told you so moment in many liberal circles regarding how the tone and topic of some social politics item on the left has hurt their image to many of their core voters, especially the ones who aren’t urban or college educated.
I mean, if Trump was a little quieter, maybe. But it’s just been one thing after the other with him.
Sam Harris has always been anti woke.
Depends on what you mean.
I think the bulk of liberals and the left hasn’t abandoned the values of LGBT+ acceptance and protection, gender and racial equality.
Not at all. I’ve seen some pushback against trans people in sports but otherwise not much has changed.
One thing that has changed, and I would argue for the better honestly, is the kind of oppression olympics, hyper-puritanical cancel culture, and the overuse of deplatforming that was common in the latter half of the 2010’s and during Covid.
I can’t speak for the US, but I felt things were getting kind of ridiculous here when a fat acceptance activist told a gay TV presenter that he didn’t know oppression first hand. C’mon guys, almost all of us belong to some marginalised group.
I also think Liberals in particular took economic issues far less seriously than they should have. Wealth is the ultimate privilege.
Yes. For reasons I will never understand, liberals are constantly trying to prove to conservatives that they’re not too liberal.
Mostly no because it wasn’t the big issue in the election.
I would say that there is a degree to which Democrats want to move back towards the kind of approach we had under Obama. Where you push on certain social issues but pick more measured language and don’t accept literally everything that a given advocacy group wants.
It remains to seen. I think a recent vote in California the Democrats rejected a bill to ban trans athletes from sports. https://apnews.com/article/california-transgender-athlete-newsom-students-ban-bc295b65ce04e5f8df7792545263f393
Despite Newsom hopping onto the bandwagon in anticipation of his presidential run.
I don’t think my blood pressure can handle this sub anymore when these are the kinds of questions people keep asking.
We have US Citizens being detained by ICE and disappeared into foreign torture camps. The constitution, rule of law and first amendment is in shambles. And people on reddit are still hung up on this made up bullshit of “woke”? JFC.
Way more. Even here in the Bay Area, a lot of social justice language gets met with eye rolls or outright disdain. Especially among non-college educated types.
I say this with the deepest sincerity: Fuck Bill Maher and anything he says
The dude has been a contrarian kook for decades now. I simply do not know what to say to you if you cosign his nonsense.
Sam Harris is a racist shitbird.
Bill Maher is not a liberal
No.
This whole woke vs anti-woke thing is still for the most part an Anglosphere issue. It’s just not a topic of political conversation (bar some fringe populists) that is actually relevant. The entire “culture war” issue is just a fringe idea outside of America and England.
Most liberals do not care about things being woke or not.
the data actually showed that whatever “woke” means had little bearing on the outcome. it was egg prices, inflation, and the economy.
I wouldn’t say there is more criticism. I would say that those who were advocating for economic issues as Democrat’s platform are louder. For the most part, anyone voting for Democrat were neither offended or concerned with “wokeness”. At best they were with it and at worst they ignored it.
No.
Bill Maher and Sam Harris have for a long time been “critical” of that which they refer to as “woke.” Well before the election.
I don’t think anyone of note in the liberal coalition was under the impression that unpopular policy positions were popular, they just thought they were the morally correct ones to hold. All that’s really happening now is the people in our coalition who either disagree with those stances or thought we should abandon them for political expediency are making “now more than ever we should be doing the thing I’ve always advocated for” arguments.