When I was 12 I was SA’d by a family friend. I told my parents and they suspected I was pregnant but refused to let me go to the doctor or get an abortion. They made me wait to do anything until I was far enough along that abortion was out of the question. I hate them for it to this day. They made me do it because they wanted more kids. They had me and my brother but he died as a child which left them with just me and they saw the baby as a sign they were meant to raise another child.
It was traumatizing. It made me feel so lost. I didn’t want to keep the pregnancy and I said this multiple times. By the time they took me to a doctor and everything was reported I was too pregnant and I was forced to give birth at 13. The only thing that made me not end things was the fact I was given permission to live with grandma as soon as I was discharged from the hospital.
I never held the baby or met them afterward. I was no contact with my parents and did not go anywhere they might be. The majority of my extended family wanted nothing to do with my parents after what they did. But a small number kept in minimal contact.
I have done extensive therapy and there are still things I will never get over. Or things that to some will sound so broken and wrong. Like the fact I never loved the baby I gave birth to at 13 and have never wanted to know them and that I still wish I could have been given an abortion and saved the added trauma of giving birth.
But I have moved on to live a happy life with my husband and kids. I’m in a good place. Then a few weeks ago I was contacted by my parents after a relative gave them my contact info. They said they had told their kid the truth about me, them, the SA and everything and they had cut all ties with them. They were crying and saying it was awful and how their kid had wanted to know about meeting me and why they weren’t always told and stuff like that. Then why they made me give birth. My parents then said I needed to help them and they were so worried about what would happen to their kid. My parents told me their hearts were broken. My response was I don’t care followed by I don’t owe them anything and they can live with the mess they forced on everyone. But I’m not getting involved. They told me I was a monster and should have found some remaining love for them and some love for their kid.
I ended the call and immediately blocked them. Then I called the family member who was angry at me for refusing to help. They said I could have been more sympathetic and should at least be willing to help because I am where this all started and a person needs me. They also said it’s been so many years and my parents don’t deserve this held over their heads forever. So I blocked them and went no contact with them. But they are really trying to turns others in the family against me which has not worked. But they are so outraged that I was so awful to my parents and genuinely seem to have expected me to forgiven by now, something I will never do.
This determination from the family member has made me wonder if I’m TA in any way. So this is me asking. AITA?
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They are upset because their view of a family is being challenged by the truth and they are trying to manipulate you into a false sense of obligation.
Definitely NTA
NTAH.
I would be unreachable for those morons.
How come they still can contact you?
And: abuse and idiotic moronic bigotry runs in your family. Block all the asses.
Plus: look into narcissism. Flying monkeys appearing stinks of narcissists at work. Who are a special kind of manipulative destructive abusive people!
Spelling it out for you:
YOU are the victim.
That child is the collateral damage of your parent’s OWN decision to force you into giving birth and letting them raise the child without explaining their origin.
Decision/ collateral damage that now finds out where they come from.
And reacts EXACTLY the same way YOU did: turn away from them.
BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID ACTUALLY IS!!!! UNFORGIVABLE!
So: NTAH. There IS no way you could ever be the AH.
Nope, you’re NTA. That is just the most awful story and I’m beyond sorry that this happened to you – the assault, losing your brother, your parents actions, birth and the aftermath. I hope the assaulter went to prison. I’m sad for the other child in this too, they are caught in a mess they didn’t choose – but that in no way makes you TA. So happy for you that you built a beautiful life OP, you deserve the world. ❤️
I 100% understand you not wanting to speak to your parents again but I do urge you to accept that there are 2 victims here. You and your baby. Please understand that they may need to understand some day and you’re likely the only person who can help them with that. You don’t have to view them as your child, more a distant relation but please remember, they didn’t ask for this either
I’m sorry how are you a monster in all this?!!!? Your parents and any family members that support them are the true vile monsters in all of this, you were a child and your parents are meant to protect you and yet they chose they own happiness. And the absolute nerve to contact you asking for help when you sort help from them they chose themselves so they can live with their abhorrent actions and for it to be held against them for the rest of their days!
NTA at all, I’m so sorry this happened to you.
Protect your peace
NTA. You were a child. The trauma is yours to process. Your parents’ actions caused lasting trauma, and your refusal to engage with them or their expectations is self-preservation, not cruelty.
NTA plain and simple.
Absolutely NTA. Shame on your parents and shame on that family member. All three of them are beyond assholes and your life is better without them in it.
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NTA. Change your number if they keep bothering you.
OP I am so sorry that you had to go through this. My heart hurts for what you went through and makes me so mad at everyone who let you down!
You are absolutely, 100% NTA. What they did you was a deep violation. They stripped you of choice and forced you into carrying trauma you never should have had to bear. You were a child yourself when all of this happened and instead of protecting you, they used your trauma to benefit themselves.
Telling them to go to hell isn’t cruelty it is a boundary.
For your family member to hand out your contact information without consent and then tell you that you are wrong is another betrayal. The audacity for them to get angry! You need to cut off contact with anyone who disregards your safety and your choices.
NTA. Not in any way. No. No. This was not you.
NTA fuck the parents and fuck the family member (obviously not like that)
These are horrible people and it’s good you blocked them all. It’s not your fault that the kid the parents it’s theirs.
It’s easy to tell others to forgive and forget when you’re not the victim and didn’t go through their trauma.
I’ve cut people out for wayyy less.
Live your life like you want to.
NtA
Oh hell no!
You were not where it started, you were a victim. It started with the [beep] that assaulted you.
And the lack of empathy some of your family members have shown you over this…. they can go f themselves!
Btw your parents suck and failed you bigtime when you needed them. IMHO you owe them exactly what they gave you – thinking of yourself first.
Fuck that noise.
Eh, can we back up a little bit here? What happened to the ‘family friend’- did they get charged and convicted?
NTA. Your parents didn’t just fail you, they actively traumatized you for their own gain. I don’t know how anyone can expect you to feel sympathy for people who treated your trauma as an opportunity to get another kid. They’re only upset now because their choices finally caught up to them, not because they regret what they did to you.
Humanity disgusts me. NTA, and I hope you heal to the fullest without them.
It’s honestly a joke to even suggest that you are the ashole here. I feel a bit bad for the kid, it’s not like they asked for any of this to happen, but since your parents are the ones that forced you to have them in the first place it’s their responsibility to take care of them not you.
NTA
Welp, time to change all of your contact info again. I know you blocked your pathetic excuse for parents, and the friends of theirs who gave them your number knowing full well you didn’t want them to have it. But they probably won’t give up and they can always keep using other numbers to harass you. Didn’t the hospital report this situation to CPS, when a 13 year old was forced to give birth? You were failed by every so-called adult in your life. They traded the child they still had for their fantasy, no matter how much harm they did to you. I suppose their friend who assaulted their 12 year old got away with it scot free? Mustn’t upset the predators, right? Your parents are getting what they deserve. I’m surprised they told this poor kid the truth. I’m so sorry this was your childhood. Every day I lose a little more faith in humanity. You are NTA
if this is real, of course NTA. even considering it… wtf.
these people should be dead to you. every single one.
NTA, your parents are monsters.
NTA – you are better off without each and every one of them. If people can be turned against you and endorse behaviour so disgusting, they’re not people you want in your life at all. Good look on your continued journey in healing and trying to move on from this.
How old is the child now? I can’t imagine what they are going through right now. There are 2 victims here, you and the kid. Your parents are utterly evil. They destroyed your world and ripped your childhood from you, then for no good reason destroyed the kids world view and left them absolutely devastated that everything they had thought about their life was a lie.
Whatever you do you aren’t to blame and aren’t the Ahole. If you do reach out to the kid as a person who cares they are safe, you can do so. If you can’t because your trauma is still too raw than that’s OK too. I can’t imagine how I’d cope in this situation. you are stronger than you realise, this would have utterly destroyed most people. The fact you’ve been able to move on to some extent and have a happy life with your husband and kids is testament to your strength.
As for the family members, go no contact and block them. They aren’t your family. They just happen to be related by blood.
Question urself would u be willing to put ur child what u went through(def not at all wishing it may god protect ur children)….That will answer ur questions…Ur parents are monsters througha nd through.You would TA if u helped them
NTA
You were violated and abused repeatedly by your parents. Their behaviour is SO vile that I can’t help but wonder if they allowed the SA to occur in the hopes of you falling pregnant. Either way, they deserve NOTHING from you. What they did to you is despicable and unforgivable, forever. And the relative fighting on their behalf is just as dangerous. Get a lawyer to send cease and desists. Warn any other relatives that you will never forgive your parents or this relative, and rhat anyone who agrees with their fresh attempts to retraumatise your should immediately remove themselves from your life.
As for the child they forced you to have, you don’t owe the child anything either. Was the child innocent? Yes. But that doesn’t mean you owe them more of your life. Just because you are both victims does not mean that their status as a victim is more important than yours. So much of your life has been dictated by what other people have decided. This choice is entirely yours, and if you don’t want to meet or communicate with them, that is absolutely fine. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
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NTA i am so sorry that happened to you, they are the real monsters, disregarding the fact that you were a SA victim( which should be enough reason and also their fault , it was their duty to protect you from the assault) you were a child, that pregnancy could’ve easily killed you. They only saw their interests. This was beyond selfish. Now they expect favours, not even giving apologies. Cut off all the people who are trying to defend your parents. You deserve to be happy and not stress about this.
Clearly NTA. What your parents did was abuse on top of abuse. They took away your choice, used your trauma to get themselves a child, and then tried to guilt you into cleaning up the fallout years later. You don’t owe them love, sympathy, or involvement. You survived something horrific and built a good life despite them that’s enough. The “it’s been so many years” argument doesn’t erase what they did. They’re reaping the consequences of their own choices, not yours. Stay no contact and protect your peace
NTA!! Your parents are evil!! They used their 13 yo child as an incubator against your will. It’s so disgusting and disturbing!! I don’t blame you for being traumatized. OP, I’m glad you’re happy and thriving now.
NTA. Not even a little. The fuxing audacity in even contacting you over this after what they did is unreal.
I’m so sorry. No contact is the way – you don’t need people like this in your life.
No you are not the AITA…. you have lived through something so traumatic at such a young age. They did not protect you or help you like they should have and now they are paying for it. They deserve it. I just hope they were a better parent to the other child but I suspect that is not the case. You owe your parents nothing.
NTA. The family is also pruned, sends them all to hell.
Damn! Massive amounts of NTA
NTA your parents are and they are also monsters for making you go through with the pregnancy just to give them another chance at parenthood. Block and go NC with anyone that sides with your parents.
NTA – the family member that leaked your information should be the one that helped, also this did not start with you, this started with force and without consent. You were forced and SA at 12 (12!), then forced to keep the pregnancy as you were a minor and had no choice in your own autonomy. Just so what your parents can try to heal from their own loss using your SA baby?
Oh, it all started with you? Seems like it all started with your family member raping you, but maybe I’m just crazy.
NTA
This is not on you in anyway.
Don’t ever let them in.
NTA. Forcing a minor to continue a pregnancy from a rape should be considered child abuse.
Oh your definitely NTA your parents were cruel and how dare the family member say you are where it all started, no it started with the sick family friend and those poor excuses of parents not protecting you as a child. It’s good you’ve been able to move on and start a family and it’s understandable you want no involvement and you don’t owe anyone anything. I will say if one day you feel you can meet the kid even just once just to answer any questions they have and maybe help them find closure or something than try to do that but like I said you don’t owe anything to anyone the choice to bring them into this world lies squarely on your sperm and egg donors shoulders. Hopefully they have other family members or friends they are close to helping them through this but bloody hell what a sad complicated mess those 3 despicable people have caused you and that kid.
you are not where this started. the predator is where this started. they need to go after him for support and leave you alone
You were assaulted by their friend. Then they abused and traumatized you for their wants. Now they want you to forgive them to assuage their guilt and fix their mistakes. They can drive their car off a bridge as far as I am concerned taking their relative with them. You don’t owe anyone anything. Not your time, energy, forgiveness, contact, or attention anymore.
Its always been about them.
NTA
So after all this there’s no mention of the doctors calling in the police about an underage rape victim perpetrated by a family paedophile ?
Absolutely NTA. Maybe it would be helpful to this person to meet and speak with you – or maybe not. You can’t set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm though, and despite it not being that kid’s fault for the situation they’re in, it’s not yours either and you need to put yourself first.
Your parents are an abomination and I’m so so sorry they did this to you. I can’t even imagine the damage this has caused you. Now they’ve inflicted their selfishness and narcissism on another innocent person who didn’t ask to be born.
IF you feel up to it, perhaps you could write the person a letter encouraging them to seek therapy and explaining that you can’t be part of their life, maybe sharing some insights from your own healing. But only if you feel like it’s something that won’t hurt you.
You were a child, they failed to protect you, then they failed you again. Horrific omg no words to convey how awful this is.
This whole situation is firmly on them. It could have been handled so differently.
I hope you find your peace and the child you were forced to give birth to when you also were a child, finds their peace too. Far away from the monsters that call themselves your parents.
What a mess. How dare family members point fingers, you were an abused child, nobody helped. How if this your fault or anything of your making ? To suggest in any way that it is an issue of your making is saying a 13 year old can consent to SA! Omg
Keep blocking, and report to the police if they don’t desist.
Oh you are so much NTA.
NTA your parents are monsters, did they even report that you’d been raped? Did the person get arrested, jail time? Don’t give in, stay strong and living a happy life is the biggest fuck you! Updateme
NTA
I’m so sorry you went through that.
You were victimized by your parents when they should have protected you.
Now they and their flying monkeys are trying to victimize you again.
I’m so glad that you are refusing to allow them to do it again.
If you are still in contact with your prior therapist please reach out because though you have moved on, sometimes this raises issues that you had long thought resolved.
I recommend you warn your husband and lock down all contact with your kids too because it’s possible that they may reach out and try to get to you through them. Those types of people are totally unscrupulous.
You are doing the right thing. If their child reaches out you do NOT have to have contact. I personally would use your therapist to deal with the possibility so you are not blind sided.
NTA. They are monsters. The fact you survived and are happy is a testament to how strong and resilient you are.
I do have pity for the child they forced you to birth to. Just because I would feel immense guilt and shame to have (1) a rapist as a father, (2) a mother who was raped and forced to birth me as a literal child, and (3) grandparents who lied and actively tortured my mother just because they wanted a replacement for their son.
You have zero obligation to, but I think it could help you to talk to the kid, and say that you despise your parents and rapist. You were not equipped to love anything that was a result of trauma. And that you are sorry they were put in this situation. (Don’t say this part) Because they never would have felt this way had you been able to obtain an abortion. But if the kid doesn’t try to reach out, I would not reach out first.
Please always put yourself and the family you chose first.
NTA.
I don’t know where you live, but is there a legal route for you to hold them (and the original abuser) accountable for their actions? You don’t write your current age and the time of limitation varies in the different countries. Perhaps it will open old wounds, perhaps it will help you to see all three (abuser and your parents) get hold accountable for their actions.
But it’s wild, that they forced you as a child yourself to give birth to a child, which was the result of abuse and now call YOU a monster.
I wish you all the best and please make sure that if you decide something, that it is YOUR decision, not what you think other expect in this situation .
No, you’re not the a$$. Stand your ground. Stay strong. You do not need validation from anyone that you’re doing the right thing by distancing yourself from toxic people. Live YOUR own life. Your own family needs you whole. Just pray about it if you have any doubts.
NTA, stick to your guns and continue to block and block.
they are all guilty by association and are trying to ease their conciousness, since if you forgive they can feel better about themselves for letting kid you go through that.
F every last one of them! they should all be in jail or worse
Your parents should have been arrested. For abuse and the fact they kept it a secret so it could be too late. They should be happy you’re just no contact with them 🙄 obviously not the AH. I wish you a lot of love and care
You and that kid deserve so much more than what you got from your parents. Glad you got back to a good place and hope the child involved gets the help they need.
Forgive what? Have they taken accountability for allowing your sa to go unchallenged, for using you as a birthing mule, for ignoring the trauma you experienced? They’ve never even understood what they did let alone act remorseful.
anyone who thinks they should be forgiven doesn’t understand what it means. You have to understand you did something wrong in the first place.
As for the kid, separately, you might open your mind to meeting them. But, not bc the parents want you to. For you.
NTA, you will NEVER be the asshole here.
I want to address “It started with you”. NO! It did not!!!
It started with the family friend who violated and SA. A child. It was perpetuated by your parents selfish desires for a replacement baby.
None of this is on you.
I’m not sure how much you want to entertain the other family members nonsense. It needs to stop as it is unhealthy for you. A lawyer can draft a cease and desist letter for you is my advice if you’d like any.
Again, you are NTA.
So they had two bio children, one dies, they torture the other so she never wants to speak to them again and it’s all okay because they got a ‘do-over’ kid?
Your folks are something else!
NTA. I hate that you were made to question if you a t a. Of course you aren’t. Forcing a child to give birth is abhorrent and dangerous. I’m glad you’ve got family who support you because your parents and this other family member are awful people. Just be aware that this family member might give your details to the ‘child’ in an attempt to help your parents. Good luck.
NTA – this sounds truly terrible. I also feel sorry for the kid, your parents have not handled this well and have been unfair to you and your child.
Personally, I would want to help the child because they must be confused and hurt. Knowing someone who never knew their parents, that confusion and hurt never goes away. But I totally get why you dont want to be involved.
There are no winners in any of this, there’s no quick fix solution. You had a terrible crime committed against you, and your parents just made all the trauma worse. it’s also deeply concerning that your parents protected the SA perpetrator.
As for family getting involved, do they know about the SA ? Maybe they would change their tune.
Im sorry this is happening to you.
NTA times infinity.
I can’t believe what they put you through, it breaks my heart
You did the right thing here, anyone who disagrees can go jump into a lake.
NTA
That’s truly terrible. I feel a lot of sympathy for you and the child too. You were 13 years old, and not only was the sexual abuse traumatic, but also being forced to give birth as a child. You needed support and medical and therapeutic help, but instead they turned you into an incubator and brought a child into the world who now has to live with the trauma of not being their biological child, but also of being the result of rape.
The fact that you don’t feel a connection to this child is nothing to be ashamed of. You didn’t want sexual contact or the child and you weren’t listened to. You were still so young yourself and needed family support and security. The child can’t help it being alive, but it is a result of two terrible events in your life and it is completely understandable that you are shutting yourself off emotionally from it.
If this child ever seeks contact, it’s okay to refuse if it’s too much for you. If you can cope with it mentally, you can of course meet the child and explain your side of the story, but remember that it’s just as little the child’s fault as it is yours. Neither of you had any influence over it, and you were both pushed into a situation by others that neither of you wanted. I can understand if the child wants to know their roots, and that they’re curious about who their biological mother is, but also remember that you have to protect yourself if it becomes too much for you.
Op you are NTA in any way! You may not see it or even feel it but you are a strong woman who faced things nobody should have to face at 12 and 13 years old, things that some adults wouldn’t have the capability to handle at their grown age let alone as a young child. I hope you know that your feelings don’t sound broken or wrong, they sound like the ways you have learned to help yourself heal and be the person you are today and who you are today deserves the respect you were stolen as a child. The respect to honor how you feel and let you live in peace rather than having this thrown at your feet.
The fact that your parents made the choice to victimize you at the time when you needed someone protecting you says all we need to know about them. People like that should never be allowed to be called parents ever again. Please keep them blocked and keep your life safe from further abuse from them and anyone else that might think like they do.
Your parents’ heartbreak is a direct result of their own actions. They wanted to raise a child, and they got their wish, but they did it at your expense. Now that their child has learned the truth and is no contact, they’re looking for someone to help them fix the mess they made. They’re not looking for your help out of love for you; they’re looking for help because they are hurting. This is not your problem to solve. You owe them nothing, not sympathy, not forgiveness, and certainly not a relationship with a person you’ve never met.
Your parents sound like the only monsters here. Using a byproduct of SA to replace their dead child? Forcing birth on a child to accomplish this? There’s so much wrong here. Ugh.
100% NTA and continue to block anyone who sides with the asshole relative who gave your number to your parents. Liberal use of the block feature will make your life all the better. And may all the karma follow your evil parents for the rest of their lives
NTA, you were a kid and a victim when all this happened and I am actually shocked by the way you handled this better than your parents which were supposed to protect you did. But need a backstory as what happened to that person who assaulted.
I feel awful for both you and the child, you were both treated horrifically. And no, you don’t sound broken or wrong for not loving the child. You never bonded, so why would you have any love for them? To be clear, you’re not in the wrong for not bonding with the child either. You should have been allowed that abortion, and to my mind your parents denying it makes them unfit to raise children. It seems the child agreed.
There are two massive assholes here, and they’ll never understand why their kids don’t talk to them. Also a third asshole in that relative who decided you should have contact with your parents again.
Normally when a kid wants to meet a parent I think they should have that chance. This time it’s such a wild situation that unless you both want it, it shouldn’t happen. I understand giving you the choice, but it was done the wrong way and with so much bs guilt tripping.
I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through this.
You don’t mention how old your attacker was, but I highly doubt you were they’re first victim, and you certainly weren’t their last
You should find out what the statute of limitations is on SA of a minor. You should look into filing a police report as an adult. Even ifs it too late, having a record will help any more recent victims who come forward
You also have DNA evidence in the form of your child that it happened
Predators should never be protected and that’s what your parents did
I’m sorry your parents failed you so badly. And the fact that child cut your parents off as soon as the learned the truth tells me they were great parents to that kid either
Your parents can rot in hell for such a despicable series of acts. You’re nta
I’m sorry, what? The don’t deserve to have this held over their heads forever? They forced their literal child to give birth to a baby that was forced on you. You never speaking to them again is honestly the least aggressive response to that bull shit. You could have died. You could have been left permanently disabled. You were assaulted and they didn’t try to find you justice, or even peace.
NTA. May they die alone in misery.
Honestly id be making posts shaming the parents who caused this. If they call you a monster might as well be one
Why in the world were your parents allowed to get your child after what they did to you? Didn’t you tell the people in the hospital what was going on?
NTA – the child should have been adopted out
I don’t know where you live, but hope the perp was prosecuted. If not, it’s possible you can still prosecute, many jurisdictions have done away with a statute of limitations on SA. OP, you did nothing wrong. Very poor parenting. The child also did nothing wrong, and now being raised by the same parents you have, beyond sad. NTA. Irish OP many blessings going forward.
NTA.
NTA. I would unblock your parents once more just to tell them that you are genuinely thankful for this karma that they are suffering and to remind them that they are terrible parents who should never be allowed near another child as long as they live.
NTA they absolutely deserve to have this held against them forever. There is literally nothing that can fix using your child who was raped by your friend as an incubator for your do over baby. Add to that they left a child rapist roaming the streets so they could continue to avoid getting you the medical care you needed in case you were somehow able to get an abortion. Truly sick shit.
NTA. Please don’t ever think this. Your parents victimized you. They victimized that child too. Please wrap yourself in love and protection from those people. You deserve your peace.
NTA!!!!
You’ve been a child! Of course you’re traumatised and unable to love a child you’d been forced to bear! Your parents sound unhinged! They don’t need sympathy, only cold hard truth.
NTA
They used a 12 year old as a incubator.
NTA, did they even ever try to get you help for dealing with the SA? Did they report the bastard??
You were traumatized and the only thing they thought about was a baby for them. Then they shipped you off and never looked at you again, you’d fulfilled your purpose…
It’s all so dehumanizing I can’t wrap my head around it. Now they’re back because you’re needed again, not because they want to support you, no you need to fix it, AGAIN.
They can go to hell, you don’t owe them anything. They treated you AND your child terribly.
“Due to the fact that you think my parents are good people for protecting a paedophile and that they were happy their 12 year old was raped by an adult and left pregnant, that they did not take care of the physical or mental health of that 12 year old, at no point will those people ever be in my life. Or my children’s lives. Should you or anyone else try and get around me and my husband to speak to my children, and tell them the flat out lies that they’ve grandparents who care about them, this will also means that you will immediately removed permanently from our lives.
This is not an overreaction but a therapist approved reaction. Think about this – your very own child gets raped by a grown man. Do you pretend it doesn’t happen and seek no medical care because “oh yay! We get another baby!” Do you call the police and report it? Do you seek out trauma counselling for your child to help them move beyond the violent act that was done to them? Congratulations – if you chose anything but the first you’re a good parent. If you chose the first. You care about no one but yourself, your own child doesn’t matter, and you will burn in Hell, without a doubt.
“This is where you pick – you are a good person, a person who care about the people already on this planet and the violence committed, or you can be like the people who gave me their genetic material and will burn in Hell. They deserve to be cut off from me, they deserve to be cut off from her, they deserve to be burning in Hell when they die due to their absolutely wildly inappropriate decision making skills. So your choice – low contact with me and my kids since you shown you cannot be trusted, or tying yourself up to the stake right next to them and deservedly become a crispy critter.”
(NTA. At all. Everyone else’s behaviour is abhorrent and I’ve completely given up on playing nice.)
Oh no, the child I made my r*ped child give birth to knows the monumental piles of shit we are!
They should be punted into the sun for what they did