As a student of history, they seem to share the most characteristics.
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Populism that has left and right elements
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anti-intellectual and pro working class
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Machismo
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Jingoistic/enemy designed for supporters to rally against
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not Nazis, but nazi adjacent in use of sympathies and language
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both heavy protectionists with policies that would sap economic outcomes and promote inflation.
Curious to hear your thoughts on this and from others in the region.
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No.
No
Yes.
Edit (longer answer):
This question will definitely make a lot of fanatics from both sides uncomfortable.
On one hand you have current peronists who identify a lot more with progressivism than with Perón’s traditional values. So even if all your points are correct, peronists have already deluded themselves into thinking that Perón and Evita were pro abortion feminists.
This means they will never accept that “Trump is actually a kuka” (in the words of a famous peronist personality, Tomás Rebord)
On the other hand, Milei and his followers have been dick riding Trump for years, fantasizing about a new libertarian alliance with Trump’s administration, when in reality Trump’s vision of the economy is the opposite of the free market and the whole tariffs fiasco is the nail in the coffin of Milei’s dream of a libertarian alliance with Trump.
So yes, Trump is pretty much an “american peronist”, but fanatics from both sides are very unconfortable accepting that fact.
No
I wouldn’t call neither Perón nor Trump particularly jingoist. If anything Trump is a bit more dovish than the average American president, between Gwot, Lybia, Desert Storm and a fuck ton of other things.
Still jingoist by normal standards, to be clear
No
No
It would be great to have some detailed responses as to why yes or no.
No
Peron was Einstein levels of smart compared to the orange.
But there are some similarities, yes. Mainly, both populists.
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Are you another gringo obsessed with Argentina?
and the answer is no…
Lol peron was a hardcore socialist.
Not from Argentina, but I lived there for 13 years. He definitely shares a lot of characteristics that CFK and Peronismo have. My way or the highway, you’re either with me or against me, cater down to the lowest common denominator, et cetera.
> Populism that has left and right elements
Some policies share similarities with Peron’s so-called “third way” (“tercera vía”) policies, which were neither capitalist nor communist. But this is because of Trump’s pragmatism in geopolitics, not because he’s non-capitalist. In fact, Trump is very capitalist and considers capitalism as the best economic system, granting the rich tax cuts and other benefits (which Peron didn’t).
> Anti-intellectual and pro working class
Peron wasn’t anti-intellectual. In fact, there are lots of Peronist intellectuals in Argentina. He made access to higher education free and universal, while promoting the creation of new public universities, libraries, etc.
He was pro working class, which is similar to Trump’s narrative, but their policies differ.
> Machismo
Peron wasn’t machista/sexist, or definitely not more than the average citizen or politician at the time. On the contrary, women’s suffrage was passed during Peron’s administration. What kind of machista from the mid-20th century allowed women to vote?
> Jingolistic/enemy designed for supporters to rally against
This is textbook populism, which a lot of political leaders do (or did), not only Peron.
> not Nazis, but nazi adjacent in use of sympathies
No, I don’t think neither of them sympathize with Nazism.
> Both heavy protectionists with policies that would sap the economy and promote inflation
Pretty similar protectionist measures, but I think Trump’s intentions are more geopolitical than any other. But not sure about that.
Carrot es un encantador de serpientes
What are the left elements of Trump?
This is like asking detailed answers about why Joe Rogan is different from Alexander the Great.
Not even the same and latin american politics are on another level.
It’s funny to see foreigners try to push a “Perón=Trump” narrative when Argentina is currently governed by an anti-peronist president who is an ultra-Trump fanboy.
Other than populism and authoritarianism, they don’t seem to have much in common on actual policy. Peron was famously pro-union for example. Trump seems ambivalent towards unions at best.
The way Trumpism seems to have ingrained itself so thoroughly I can see some similarities. The scope of Peronism is much larger though. Trump being both very popular and unpopular while in life puts him far from the likes of Peron or Attaturk.
Not Argentinian but my answer is also no.
Hasta la basura se separa y Trump es el rey de la basura.
For me is closer to Chavez. Bevause he is going to fuck up the US in similar ways.
Even if there are some surface-level similarities, I think it’s like comparing apples and oranges, because not only are the countries they ruled or rule quite different but also the time periods we are talking about.
Peron like Trump was nationalistic, but I I don’t recall him being imperialistic or threatening to annex neighbour countries. The only similar thing I know of was an unionist project between Argentina and Chile, an idea Perón had mostly because he got along well with Ibañez, who was ruling Chile at that time.
They were both populist and nazi-adjacent, yes, and they used the cult of personality to control their people, although I think Perón took it way too far. Perón like Trump didn’t respect intitutions, but Perón persecuted political opponents (which included jail, kidnapping, torture, etc) and censored the press, I don’t think Trump does the same, like there was a big protest the other day.
Trump seems to be cutting social programs and fundings quite the opposite of what Perón did, in fact the expansion of social programs and redistributive policies where the most important and notable thing from his government. Also I don’ t think proteccionist measures work the same way in both countries.
Those are just at the top of my head, I’m sure there can be a more detailed analysis one could make to compare both governments taking into account their different historical periods. Although it’s funny comparing both of them because Milei dislikes Peron but is defending a guy that is supposedly like him.
No. They are both pederasts though.
These comparisons exist but are also kinda grasping at straws. Well ignoring the ones I don’t see how you’re getting like Trump being left wing and pro working class?
Populist, macho, jingoistic, uses rhetoric adjacent to nazis, and protectionist can describe some politicians from basically any ideology or country. Like aside from populist, isn’t that basically every UK Tory before WW2?
Really like your take though. Perón embraced the cult of personality that Stalin used. The figure of Perón was more important than your family basically. And he destroyed our countries’ politics forever. The more I think about it the more right you are. In a hundred years if Trumpism is still a thing in the us (if the world is still here), you will be proven right. Argentina can’t get past Peronism. The guy was born in the 19th century ffs.
Trump is a failed capitalist though, a man born from wealth and a charlatan. Perón is a more complex figure, he was a general and fascist.
No, not at all
No not at all. But I wish so they can self destroy themselves for 70 years and somehow blame it on anything but themselves. Lmao.
-Daddy why do we keep voting for Trumperism party?
-Because when your grandpa was very poor trump made the factories come back to the USA and we have our own cars made in the USA.
-oh no they were very cheap.
-and the quality ?
-oh they were made by international standards you know the usual before the tariffs.
-then why did you wanted to change that ? I can’t afford a car if you don’t give me the money.
I haven’t read much about Latin American history, but from the information I could gather: I don’t think so. I think if they were contemporaries they would hate each other.
They are from different eras, I even think their ways of communicating with the masses are different. Peron had too deep an internal impact. Think that decades have passed and the movement is still alive. When I travelled to Argentina there was a building with a giant illustration of his wife (Eva) that I think was made by the government, and the society is still very polarised.
Once more i have the neccesity of asking why people, talking in english, uses “machismo” instead of “sexism”.