Does the political opposition to individuals like Elon, Trump, or to individuals of a particular political identity create an exception to the principle of body positivity, and if so, how is that exception justified without undermining the broader argument against body shaming?
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Does the political opposition to individuals like Elon, Trump, or to individuals of a particular political identity create an exception to the principle of body positivity, and if so, how is that exception justified without undermining the broader argument against body shaming?
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It’s still in poor taste. Representative Crockett referring to Governor Abbot as hot wheels was not her finest moment.
Shit she said to MTG though? She had that coming.
I really don’t care. I’m tired of Democrats bringing civility and decorum to a gun fight.
Are you familiar with the term code switching?
Like most, I will speak to my mother and father one way, to my friends another and to trolls a different way. I’ve tried treating trumpers with kindness and they mistook it for weakness.
I won’t do it myself, but I also won’t give a fuck if some evil piece of shit like Trump or Musk is treated along those lines.
The left’s general stance on body shaming is that it’s rude and hurtful. We’re fine with people being rude and hurtful to people who directly and measurably harm people on purpose for personal gain. It has nothing to do with “political identity”.
I would say that it is clearly the case that people who are very concerned about things like body positivity and against body shaming are far more likely to be on the left.
However, they are not exclusively on the left and it is not correct to say that the entire left is concerned about these issues. Honestly, the number of people on the left who care about making fun of someone because they are fat or short or whatever is probably a minority.
I think it’s pretty clear that when you’re talking about particularly disgusting people, the level of concern that you’re mocking them for something like that drops precipitously.
Especially when you’re talking about people like Donald Trump, who mocks people’s appearance on a constant basis while being grossly overweight and unattractive, do you think people really are gonna care if you make fun of him for that?
Some of the time it’s bad actors trying to make us look bad, sometimes it’s legit and completely fucked up, and I’ll take the downvotes when I call it out.
It’s in poor taste, but I’m not going to clutch my pearls and tone police Democrats’ criticism of people in power when my country is being actively destroyed by those people. Like, if someone’s punching me in the face, I’m not going to stop someone trying to stop them so I can tut-tut about their word choices.
I think you will find many on the left less sensitive about this stuff than we are often made out to be. I try to be kind to everyone and not shame their body. However, I am always willing to give back the same energy I’m given. And if the energy I’m given is mean, inappropriate, and. personal … well, you’re getting that energy right back.
I mean. Punching up versus punching down. It may seem like a trite and tired concept. But it’s just simply true in many cases.
I’ll make fun of Elon’s man tits and Trump combover cause they are vile. I’d not do the same to 95% of other people with comb overs and man tits.
Humans are not perfectly pristine beacons of consistency. That’s just how it is.
I give people the respect they deserve.
I’ll answer separately for myself.
I find making attacks based on someone’s appearance to be in very poor case. But I’m old and I know that when I was in my 20s, I found those kind of comments and jokes to be hilarious.
My feeling is that the electorate in general probably never felt the way I did and that simultaneously maybe people aren’t growing up in that way as much as they used to.
Voters seem to like the insults and the fighting and the memes. If that’s what it takes to win elections, Democrats need to stop clutching their pearls and join in the fight.
Civility wears thin when people are ground under. Some will continue to stand by their values, others will fight fire with fire. Herr Shitler, Hot Wheels, and the never-ending supply of bottle blondes with plastic bitch face kept pushing for it. The breakdown was inevitable, and while it might seem like a win that they got their opponents to break on their moral high ground, some of them really can’t handle the taunts. Mainly Elon and his broken dick.
trump has no problem shaming people for their appearance, so i’ve got no problem with people throwing it back at him (which is pretty easy given his grotesque appearance)
Idk when the right stops using someone’s race to disqualify them then I’ll take “body shaming Republicans” a little more seriously. For years the birth certificate bullshit, every little thing about Hillary’s appearance, & then crude remarks about Harris’ past relationships & race- I truly dgaf. And notice how those politicians are not morbidly obese- sorry, facts are facts. The basis of your party’s argument is weaponizing identity politics. i wouldn’t give a fuck about Trump being orange & fat if he was a decent human being. He takes care of his health the way he takes care of this country so-
Also, very tell you only mentioned MEN. Your party has attacked conservative women’s appearances & sexual history for even minutely stepping out of line. (Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, MTG, Emily Wilson, Toni Lahren, etc).
I’m not particularly against body shaming, but have you considered the people making fun of Trump’s morbid obesity are different than those that are proactive against bullying the horizontally challenged?
Because I’ve heard many times that I shouldn’t make fun of Republicans for the way they look, and it’s never conservatives saying you shouldn’t fat shame people
I give back what they give. I’m not going to make fun of someone’s appearance out the gate, but if you have someone like Trump who makes his entire identity on personal attacks on other people, I have no problem attacking him personally. The minute he mocked a reporter’s disability all the gloves were off.
We don’t tolerate intolerance.
Body shaming is a dick move. Sometimes I’m a dick, though. I try to use my asshole-ish nature for good, only targeting other assholes. Elon and Trump are rude bastards, so any body shaming against them is fine.
This is a broad issue I have with conservatives, they go around being absolute mouthy cunts, insulting anyone and everyone with 0 integrity or morals, and then get all butthurt when you throw some back. “So much for the tolerant left” boo fucking hoo, you losers.
He acts like a petulant child, so we treat him like one. It’s the only thing that might get through his malignant narcissism.
This goes squarely in the “we’ve got bigger fish to fry” pile. I’ll worry about Elon’s feelings once we’ve secured our constitution against the oligarchy and wannabe dictator.
Hey, show me where I signed anything saying I wouldn’t body shame
And for that matter, you guys can’t tell me the left needs to change to start winning and then slam us when we change by just adopting the tactics you guys employ. Have some consistency
I think there are significantly better criticisms to level towards Trump or Musk beyond how they look or their bodies. Trump is literally one of the worst personalities whose ever been involved in public office, making fun of his body or appearance is completely unnecessary.
I perceive it as the left not being a monolith. The people advocating body positivity and the ones body shaming aren’t the same people.
Because it clearly gets under their skin
I am against it overall. It is fine to point out when transphobes have had gender affirming surgeries, but dick shaming or fat shaming implies their actions are not as bad IMO
Same with those who deadname Caitlyn Jenner
It’s hypocritical and in my view the anti body shaming rhetoric is just about protecting people perceived as socially weak or who are ideologically aligned with the left. It’s not universally applied, so it isn’t a real standard.
I don’t worry too much about it when it’s aimed at powerful people, but I’ve seen plenty of small dick jokes about random working class men because they’re conservative. “Don’t punch down” is a pretty loose standard if you ask me.
I think that stuff is bad. I think we should strongly oppose Elon, Trump, and conservatives because of what they do and what they want to do, not because of what they look like. I’m not a fan at all of the “actually we need to do a lot more bullying to the right” idea that seems to be growing in popularity among liberals
If bigots bring up appearances then it’s all fair game. Like when Nancy Mace starting attacking random trans people’s appearances on Twitter.
Hmm… My thoughts in no particular order.