Does rape require any given party to understand the concept of consent? Not a lot of animals on that list.
Is it just any sexual activity that the other party appears to resist or have to be forced into? Then there is a LOT of that.
Bedbugs essentially have this as their entire reproductive cycle. Female bedbugs gradually became more difficult to inseminate as it resulted in better competing offspring when it took a more fit male to capture them, and over time this has made it impossible for bedbugs to inseminate offspring normally. Male bedbugs eventually developed a new strategy than trying to access the more and more difficult to access sex organs at all, having evolved a spear-like appendage that they actually penetrate through the body of the female bedbug to inseminate them, termed traumatic insemination, that creates a huge entry wound and risks infection / death. But the whole process results in stronger bed bugs / selects for female bed bugs that can survive the trauma, so…
Some would say that’s just the bed bug life cycle. But if rape is just any reproductive activity that appears to be nonconsensual.
Ducks are another example of this. Because of benefits of narrowing down sexual selection, female ducks have a corkscrew like oviduct. Unlike most birds, the complementary duck penis is an insane contraption that explosively inflates in a corkscrew shape (it can inflate up to 20 centimeters in less than half a second) and only takes resources from the body during mating season due to the massive resource drain, shriveling up out of season. Female ducks almost always seem like unwilling participants in this act.
Dolphins are pretty notorious for it, they engage in group forced sexual activity and sometimes even kill the target they’ve forced into it afterwards.
Absolutely they do. Apparently one of my neighbors called the police because her neighbor’s dog “raped” her dog and got her pregnant, and she insisted that they treated it as a sexual assault.
Now I don’t know how you want to categorize this, and I myself don’t know if the two dogs were friendly with each other or not, but I will absolutely vouch that a dog is capable of taking what it wants like that 💀
I believe it is Emperor Penguins that are so notorious for RAPE AND NECROPHELIA That the man who studied them wrote his discoveries in a dead language so only other scholars would have to read it.
Pretty sure just about all of them. The concept of consent requires a level of intelligence that very few have. A lot of species don’t even have sex per se, but just fertilize eachother in ways that don’t really relate to intercourse. The animals that are smart enough to have consent, generally don’t have any concept of justice to weigh it against.
Even humans up to relatively recent history wouldn’t have the same concept of rape as we do today. For thousands of years rape wasn’t even really a matter of violating someone’s rights as a person, because human rights weren’t even a concept. Rape was more often considered more of a theft of value as throughout history most cultures have associated various womens’ literal value to society with their chastity. So rape wasn’t a crime of “you violated this woman’s humanity” it was “you stole her value to her future/current husband”. Even the idea of bodily autonomy is practically brand new in modern society.
Animals simply don’t have a concept of rape, because they aren’t even capable of understanding animal rights. Hell, we are still very much struggling to get humans to understand the concept of human rights.
I don’t think consent even exists in the animal world. They just have sex to breed. If you mean animals that just do it for enjoyment and who cares if they want it or not? All I can think is dolphins off hand 💀 but I’m sure there’s many more.
Rape is a social construct that probably doesn’t apply to most other animals. Their breeding practices are not meant to be reflective of any human value system and any overlap is at best coincidental.
I guess to the core of your question, are there animals with a system of agreement for breeding who will override this? While horrific, I don’t think ducks meet this in that it’s not individual behavior that is against the grain all duck breeding is flat out horrific.
Dolphins on the other hand do have examples of clearly willing female participants and unwilling female participants. Among lions you will see both, with male lions (particularly young males) attempting to breed when the female isn’t in heat and female lions biting the testicles of males not meeting their needs when in heat.
Don’t put a Guinea pig in a cage with a male rabbit, it’s just plain cruel.
But to give some context, most mammal species have a bone in the penis. Human penises are rather small, soft and fragile. We are made for consensual, gentle sex comparatively to other animals— and that’s the males.
The “alpha male” in a particular ecosystem will sit at the highest point and croak, as his croak will be the loudest. Females in breeding season will climb toward the sound as it is the loudest and therefore best evolutionary choice.
Weaker males will then hide in the shadows around the alpha and jump in to inseminate an unsuspecting female. The alpha usually gets whatever female managed to climb to him without being raped.
Cats:
The mating process between cats is brutal. The male has a barbed penis that will literally shred the female’s vagina during intercourse. This is extremely painful for them, which is why the male pins the female down by biting into her neck and holding her in place as she tries to escape. After he has ejaculated, he pulls out and walks away.
I saw my grandfather’s rooster rape a cat. That rooster would stick its spurs (toe nails) in your leg and hump you like a dog too. Grandmother chopped its head off. Grandfather wanted her to cook it but she threw it away and bought him a chicken and she cooked it.
Many species do. It’s very depressing around turtle season witnessing the female turtles try to stay afloat whilst 4-5 males try to mate with her at the same time and hold her down under water, they can drown, then she finally escapes them and makes it to the beach to rest and gets instantly surrounded by tourists ( depending where the beach is ) she can’t catch a break. Then when she’s ready to lay eggs she has a gruelling journey to, from and during, and can get caught for long periods in scorching heat and low tides, only to make it back to the ocean to be hounded by males again!!
Yes, while people are sure to jump on with things like dolphins, fact of the matter is that it’s pretty common as a dominance thing too in a lot of species. Dogs are a pretty well known example.
Another would be matriarch spotted hyenas, who will mount both males and females as a dominance display.
Dolphins, ducks, toads. You name it, many animals rape/force sex onto unwilling participants not always from the same species, specifically with Dolphins. They are the worst
Roosters are about the biggest rapists I’ve seen. The hens never want it and the rooster bites her neck and holds her down. Atleast in only lasts for 5 seconds.
My roosters def rape my hens and my male ducks all gang rape this one female duck. She is so not into it the poor thing. I chase them off when I catch them. There are other females but they only bother this one.
Yea, dolphins (these mammals are the real ocean bad guys, I swear…they f-in gang r*pa female dolphins among other stuff), otters, ducks…there is probably more that I don’t know about
No because rape is a crime against a person who can give or decline consent. Much like animals can’t not murder each other or be murdered by humans , because murder is a criminal offense used for humans unlawfully killing each other.
When female lions are in heat, they require the males to service them 20-30 times a day. They will bite the male lions in the balls if he can’t keep up with her commands until he puts out.
I’m not sure it’s rape. But male honeybees lose their reproductive organs and their lower halves when they reproduce. They die, torn in half, while their reproductive organs continue to pump sperm into the queen. If any drones are alive in the fall, they are evicted and left to freeze to death.
I saw a video once where this stag would not leave this doe alone and she ended up collapsing in a puddle of water because she was so exhausted, the stag just kept pushing her with his antlers even stabbing her to get her up so he could continue.
A man chased the stag off and gave the doe time to recover.
I’ve also seen a documentary where it mentioned that monkeys do it to deer.
Yes. Very real. And kinda no too… Consent is not a thing in the animal kingdom. They don’t have the social structure or cognitive ability to understand complex concepts such as consent. They are ruled by instincts. They don’t stop and question their experiences. If an animal does not engage in sex, it is involuntary (such as not being selected as a mate). So by our standards, yes, animals rape, but by their standards, meow meow.
More interestingly, in my opinion, is that many animals rape across species. And many happen posthumously. The urge to rape/experience sexual gratification is so strong, a seal will rape the corpse of a penguin.
That’s the level of hatred society should hold toward all rapists— the kind of visceral outrage you have when learning a seal will repeatedly rape a dead penguin. No self control. No decency. No humanity. Just an insane animal.
I remember reading somewhere that a ducks genitalia was actually corkscrew shaped the opposite directions making most sexual interaction rape and some ducks even gang rape the females. Pretty fucked up shit.
>Harris cites another study that finds that about 11 percent of sea otters found dead on the California coast from 1998 to 2001 were killed, at least in part, by trauma associated with mating. Indeed, trauma is the norm from sea otter mating, not the exception. Here’s Harris again:
>Copulation normally occurs in the water where the male sea otter will approach the female from behind, grip her around the chest with his forepaws, and grasp her nose or the side of her face with his teeth.…Facial biting by the male commonly results in the development of skin and soft tissue lacerations of the female’s nose and face that can occasionally be fatal.The problem is worse for females, of course, but younger males often mimic mating behavior with each other, which can cause similar injuries
>Although mallards pair off to mate, females are often raped by stray males.Yet studies show that these rapes do not pay off for the males. “Even in a species where 40 percent of the copulations are forced copulations, the ducklings still are mostly sired by the mates,” Brennan said.
>”That implies the females may have some kind of mechanism that allows them to keep control of the paternity.”So Brennan’s team looked at a lot of duck bottoms.
>What they found surprised them — corkscrew-shaped oviducts, with plenty of potential dead-ends. “Interestingly, the male phallus is also a spiral, but it twists in the opposite, counterclockwise, direction,” said Yale ornithologist Richard Prum in a statement.”
>So, the twists in the oviduct appear designed to exclude the opposing twists of the male phallus. It’s an exquisite anti-lock-and-key system.”
Apparently mallards do so much raping, the females evolved complicated sexual organs to prevent rape babies.
Those are just two examples. If otters and mallards are rapists, then chances are other animals are, too.
Edit: more specifically, consent is a man-made construct. This is a great example of why man-made constructs like consent and time are extremely good things.
Comments
Yes. Apes are the easiest answer. They put frogs on their penises and use them as a “sock.”
Or did you only mean within their own species?
Dolphins. The biggest Bastards in the animal kingdom.
Look up “otters” and “ducks”. Horrific creatures but man they’re adorable lmao
Ducks…. biology
Look into duck anatomy
I mean it depends on your definitions.
Does rape require any given party to understand the concept of consent? Not a lot of animals on that list.
Is it just any sexual activity that the other party appears to resist or have to be forced into? Then there is a LOT of that.
Bedbugs essentially have this as their entire reproductive cycle. Female bedbugs gradually became more difficult to inseminate as it resulted in better competing offspring when it took a more fit male to capture them, and over time this has made it impossible for bedbugs to inseminate offspring normally. Male bedbugs eventually developed a new strategy than trying to access the more and more difficult to access sex organs at all, having evolved a spear-like appendage that they actually penetrate through the body of the female bedbug to inseminate them, termed traumatic insemination, that creates a huge entry wound and risks infection / death. But the whole process results in stronger bed bugs / selects for female bed bugs that can survive the trauma, so…
Some would say that’s just the bed bug life cycle. But if rape is just any reproductive activity that appears to be nonconsensual.
Ducks are another example of this. Because of benefits of narrowing down sexual selection, female ducks have a corkscrew like oviduct. Unlike most birds, the complementary duck penis is an insane contraption that explosively inflates in a corkscrew shape (it can inflate up to 20 centimeters in less than half a second) and only takes resources from the body during mating season due to the massive resource drain, shriveling up out of season. Female ducks almost always seem like unwilling participants in this act.
Dolphins are pretty notorious for it, they engage in group forced sexual activity and sometimes even kill the target they’ve forced into it afterwards.
Definitely. Necrophilia has even been observed in ducks and penguins, amongst others.
I saw bulls doing that with another male/female cattle.
Ducks
Yes – and not only their own species.
I read that bats were known to to it.
Squirrels is proper rapey
Ducks do group rapes
Absolutely they do. Apparently one of my neighbors called the police because her neighbor’s dog “raped” her dog and got her pregnant, and she insisted that they treated it as a sexual assault.
Now I don’t know how you want to categorize this, and I myself don’t know if the two dogs were friendly with each other or not, but I will absolutely vouch that a dog is capable of taking what it wants like that 💀
All. The. Time.
Yes. It happens a lot more often than you think.
I believe it is Emperor Penguins that are so notorious for RAPE AND NECROPHELIA That the man who studied them wrote his discoveries in a dead language so only other scholars would have to read it.
Bonus: Otters, they are down bad man
Pretty sure just about all of them. The concept of consent requires a level of intelligence that very few have. A lot of species don’t even have sex per se, but just fertilize eachother in ways that don’t really relate to intercourse. The animals that are smart enough to have consent, generally don’t have any concept of justice to weigh it against.
Even humans up to relatively recent history wouldn’t have the same concept of rape as we do today. For thousands of years rape wasn’t even really a matter of violating someone’s rights as a person, because human rights weren’t even a concept. Rape was more often considered more of a theft of value as throughout history most cultures have associated various womens’ literal value to society with their chastity. So rape wasn’t a crime of “you violated this woman’s humanity” it was “you stole her value to her future/current husband”. Even the idea of bodily autonomy is practically brand new in modern society.
Animals simply don’t have a concept of rape, because they aren’t even capable of understanding animal rights. Hell, we are still very much struggling to get humans to understand the concept of human rights.
I don’t think consent even exists in the animal world. They just have sex to breed. If you mean animals that just do it for enjoyment and who cares if they want it or not? All I can think is dolphins off hand 💀 but I’m sure there’s many more.
Rape is a social construct that probably doesn’t apply to most other animals. Their breeding practices are not meant to be reflective of any human value system and any overlap is at best coincidental.
I guess to the core of your question, are there animals with a system of agreement for breeding who will override this? While horrific, I don’t think ducks meet this in that it’s not individual behavior that is against the grain all duck breeding is flat out horrific.
Dolphins on the other hand do have examples of clearly willing female participants and unwilling female participants. Among lions you will see both, with male lions (particularly young males) attempting to breed when the female isn’t in heat and female lions biting the testicles of males not meeting their needs when in heat.
This may surprise you to learn, but in some species, that is exclusively how reproduction works.
I would say unless they have the ability to consent, that almost every creature born in the animal kingdom is produced this way.
There is no consensual sex in the animal kingdom, just the raw drive to spread your genes.
Don’t put a Guinea pig in a cage with a male rabbit, it’s just plain cruel.
But to give some context, most mammal species have a bone in the penis. Human penises are rather small, soft and fragile. We are made for consensual, gentle sex comparatively to other animals— and that’s the males.
Many types of frogs:
The “alpha male” in a particular ecosystem will sit at the highest point and croak, as his croak will be the loudest. Females in breeding season will climb toward the sound as it is the loudest and therefore best evolutionary choice.
Weaker males will then hide in the shadows around the alpha and jump in to inseminate an unsuspecting female. The alpha usually gets whatever female managed to climb to him without being raped.
Cats:
The mating process between cats is brutal. The male has a barbed penis that will literally shred the female’s vagina during intercourse. This is extremely painful for them, which is why the male pins the female down by biting into her neck and holding her in place as she tries to escape. After he has ejaculated, he pulls out and walks away.
I’ve heard female hyenas rape the males using a pseudo-penis to keep them in line.
I saw my grandfather’s rooster rape a cat. That rooster would stick its spurs (toe nails) in your leg and hump you like a dog too. Grandmother chopped its head off. Grandfather wanted her to cook it but she threw it away and bought him a chicken and she cooked it.
I’m sure that I watched an Attenborough years ago that was showing sea lions “the female rejects his advances, so he will try to rape her”
Many species do. It’s very depressing around turtle season witnessing the female turtles try to stay afloat whilst 4-5 males try to mate with her at the same time and hold her down under water, they can drown, then she finally escapes them and makes it to the beach to rest and gets instantly surrounded by tourists ( depending where the beach is ) she can’t catch a break. Then when she’s ready to lay eggs she has a gruelling journey to, from and during, and can get caught for long periods in scorching heat and low tides, only to make it back to the ocean to be hounded by males again!!
Mallard ducks are horrendous rapists and to a point where they become necrophiliacs
Yes. Dolphins are especially horrific
As someone who owns a flock of chickens – YES. YUP. Y E P.
Ducks and dolphins aren’t the nicest to other animals.
Yes, while people are sure to jump on with things like dolphins, fact of the matter is that it’s pretty common as a dominance thing too in a lot of species. Dogs are a pretty well known example.
Another would be matriarch spotted hyenas, who will mount both males and females as a dominance display.
Seals will abuse penguins, I saw a whole video on a it a few years ago. Pretty crazy shit
Dolphins, ducks, toads. You name it, many animals rape/force sex onto unwilling participants not always from the same species, specifically with Dolphins. They are the worst
Roosters are about the biggest rapists I’ve seen. The hens never want it and the rooster bites her neck and holds her down. Atleast in only lasts for 5 seconds.
Yes saw ducks ganging up on a female duck once. I was heavily pregnant, like 42weeks pregnant and it made me cry 😭
My roosters def rape my hens and my male ducks all gang rape this one female duck. She is so not into it the poor thing. I chase them off when I catch them. There are other females but they only bother this one.
Yea, dolphins (these mammals are the real ocean bad guys, I swear…they f-in gang r*pa female dolphins among other stuff), otters, ducks…there is probably more that I don’t know about
Absolutely. A lot of times when people say “animals are homosexual in the wild too”, they are referencing animals raping other animals
No because rape is a crime against a person who can give or decline consent. Much like animals can’t not murder each other or be murdered by humans , because murder is a criminal offense used for humans unlawfully killing each other.
But yes. They do.
When female lions are in heat, they require the males to service them 20-30 times a day. They will bite the male lions in the balls if he can’t keep up with her commands until he puts out.
I’m not sure it’s rape. But male honeybees lose their reproductive organs and their lower halves when they reproduce. They die, torn in half, while their reproductive organs continue to pump sperm into the queen. If any drones are alive in the fall, they are evicted and left to freeze to death.
Rape is common in the animal world, it’s an animal instinct. Humans should be above it but we aren’t.
I saw a video once where this stag would not leave this doe alone and she ended up collapsing in a puddle of water because she was so exhausted, the stag just kept pushing her with his antlers even stabbing her to get her up so he could continue.
A man chased the stag off and gave the doe time to recover.
I’ve also seen a documentary where it mentioned that monkeys do it to deer.
Female dragonflies litterally pretend to die halfway through flying so that males will leave them alone.
Yes. Very real. And kinda no too… Consent is not a thing in the animal kingdom. They don’t have the social structure or cognitive ability to understand complex concepts such as consent. They are ruled by instincts. They don’t stop and question their experiences. If an animal does not engage in sex, it is involuntary (such as not being selected as a mate). So by our standards, yes, animals rape, but by their standards, meow meow.
More interestingly, in my opinion, is that many animals rape across species. And many happen posthumously. The urge to rape/experience sexual gratification is so strong, a seal will rape the corpse of a penguin.
That’s the level of hatred society should hold toward all rapists— the kind of visceral outrage you have when learning a seal will repeatedly rape a dead penguin. No self control. No decency. No humanity. Just an insane animal.
We don’t know what was agreed to before the act.
Chimpanzee enclosure. Any zoo. The males rape the babies.
animals can’t rape each other thats not how animal psychology works
there’s no question or concent or non consent in the animal kingdom
only humans have that privilege and responsibility
Absolutely. And animals also partake in homosexual activities with one another as well.
I remember reading somewhere that a ducks genitalia was actually corkscrew shaped the opposite directions making most sexual interaction rape and some ducks even gang rape the females. Pretty fucked up shit.
I just went down a very dark path with this post and all of the replies
Yes.
Otters are rapists.
https://www.vox.com/2014/4/24/5640890/otters-rape-baby-seals-monsters-bad
>Harris cites another study that finds that about 11 percent of sea otters found dead on the California coast from 1998 to 2001 were killed, at least in part, by trauma associated with mating. Indeed, trauma is the norm from sea otter mating, not the exception. Here’s Harris again:
>Copulation normally occurs in the water where the male sea otter will approach the female from behind, grip her around the chest with his forepaws, and grasp her nose or the side of her face with his teeth.…Facial biting by the male commonly results in the development of skin and soft tissue lacerations of the female’s nose and face that can occasionally be fatal.The problem is worse for females, of course, but younger males often mimic mating behavior with each other, which can cause similar injuries
Ducks are rapists, too.
https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/science/duck-penises-show-arms-race-between-sexes-study-idUSN30464421/
>Although mallards pair off to mate, females are often raped by stray males.Yet studies show that these rapes do not pay off for the males. “Even in a species where 40 percent of the copulations are forced copulations, the ducklings still are mostly sired by the mates,” Brennan said.
>”That implies the females may have some kind of mechanism that allows them to keep control of the paternity.”So Brennan’s team looked at a lot of duck bottoms.
>What they found surprised them — corkscrew-shaped oviducts, with plenty of potential dead-ends. “Interestingly, the male phallus is also a spiral, but it twists in the opposite, counterclockwise, direction,” said Yale ornithologist Richard Prum in a statement.”
>So, the twists in the oviduct appear designed to exclude the opposing twists of the male phallus. It’s an exquisite anti-lock-and-key system.”
Apparently mallards do so much raping, the females evolved complicated sexual organs to prevent rape babies.
Those are just two examples. If otters and mallards are rapists, then chances are other animals are, too.
Yes, they very much do.
Dolphins and Ducks are notorious for this.
Have you seen ducks? They absolutely do.
Dolphins are also known for raping female dolphins.
Used to live in an apartment with a duck pond. There were multiple ducks. Every spring it was brutal.
Yes. Consent not particularly common in nature.
Edit: more specifically, consent is a man-made construct. This is a great example of why man-made constructs like consent and time are extremely good things.