This is something I’ve been wondering about but rarely see discussed. It’s widely acknowledged that there’s a sort of “pipeline” for lonely men online, where they can get pulled into Manosphere or incel communities through algorithms, loneliness, and lack of guidance. But with women using the internet just as much, I’m curious, is there a similar process happening on their side?
Specifically, I’m worried that there may be content aimed at women that, under the guise of self-protection or empowerment, ends up vilifying men or reinforcing negative generalizations. I’ve seen some behaviors and posts online that seem to encourage distrust or even dehumanization of men, and when I try to ask questions about this or suggest that helping incels (or lonely men in general) might also require women’s understanding or involvement, I get accused of being an incel myself.
I’m not trying to excuse harmful male behavior or say women aren’t justified in being cautious. But it feels like the algorithmic divide is pushing both sides further apart, lonely men into resentment, and women into fear or mistrust. Is anyone else seeing this pattern? Or is there research on this?
I’m genuinely asking to understand more, not to blame anyone. Thanks in advance.
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I haven’t seen anything that like vilifies men as much as the counterpart I see to the Manosphere is the feminine energy/ conservative Christian sphere women go to
Maybe TERFs
I think female anger is generally directed inwards. They definitely go down algorithm rabbit holes/pipelines for things like anorexia
I’d say yes. Check out Female Dating strategy for the straight toxicity, but it seems like half the time a women’s forum thread about men pops up in my feed it’s full of stereotypes and any little thing is a red flag that means run girl run.
Almost like women who can’t tolerate men like to go online and rant about it. Oh wait, that’s not women, that’s people, this is humanity on internet fueled micro-tribalism. Turns out the greater internet fuckwad theory isn’t confined to any particular identity. Male, female, or any other tribe, today’s information landscape is out to fuck you up.
Actually, any historical information landscape was out to fuck you up too, but now it’s down to a more refined science targeting humanity’s biggest cognitive sins with laser precision. No demographic is blessed with magical universal immunity.
Not quite. They get herded into “tradwife” pipelines that are all about “a woman’s place is serving her husband, teehee!”
Not exactly what you’re looking for I’d have to say the biggest pipeline aimed at women is alternative medicine. A lot of it comes from women’s health being severely neglected and misunderstood, and the generational impacts of it aiding in a lot of women turning to natural alternatives…then going down nuts curing cancer or whatever
Although the incel pipeline isn’t a specifically conservative thing, It’s more of a political split too. I think the more recent iteration with “redpill” has to do with conservatives always moving the target to the next marginalized group, rather than solving the issues actually at hand
Yes! With Shera Seven (female dating strategy) and he’s cheating on you/men are incapable of loyalty/other types of media placing doubt and seeds of hatred for men.
Subscribe to one skincare sub, and you’ll be bombarded with ads that try to make you insecure about yourself every single day until something else breaks the algorithm.
The manosphere works the same way. Tate is just teaching boys to be easier, breezier Cover Girls, except for the human trafficking bits 😬
This is actually a really good question.
I worked for a feminist blog from 2014-2016 and I think what you’re talking about was way more common then. There was a really serious incentive to publish fearmongering clickbait with feminist themes, and “kill all men” and similar sentiments were bandied about a lot at the time. Keep in mind that this is the period of GamerGate, Elliot Roger, Brock Turner, and the beginning of #MeToo, so I think part of the reason for that intense vitriol toward men is that the internet was opening up frightening new ways for women to be harassed and stalked and there was just going to be a reaction to that in pop culture. Not an excuse for frankly ghoulish rhetoric on our part, but maybe just context to help people understand what the stakes were.
IMO the residue left from that period is just white western feminism. There are feminist thinkers who take umbrage with white feminists villifying men – Rafia Zakaria’s Against White Feminism deals with the issue head-on, as well as Koa Beck’s White Feminism, to a lesser extent. White feminists (and I’m not just talking about caucasians, I’m talking about anyone who engages in the logic of feminism propagated by wealthy white westerners) tend to see men and women of color as obstacles to their progress because these groups have different cultures and priorities, and they act accordingly. They want to get ahead of men and “save” women of color because they’re seeking social and political power. Other feminists may not be as interested in hoarding power as much as coalition-building, caring for their communities, carving out space in religion for women to be treated with more dignity, making local change, etc.
So TL;DR yes, the pipeline is white feminism.
There are toxic female communities but they don’t catch on the same way because women have more self hatred than outward anger
MLM scams are like this. Also, the GOOP pipeline. I haven’t heard as much about that, but you end up with New Age stuff that is dangerous and exists to suck money out of people.
Instagram is a machine for manufacturing eating disorders. Rather than hating the opposite sex it makes young women hate and vilify themselves.
I’ve seen a few angry posts that stemmed from actual societal issues, basis of “many men do this and it’s unfair” which generaly makes sense but leans a bit into “men do this”, then comments get aggressive
However it’s rare
I’m pretty sensitive to those types of scenarios though, i remember growing up and from a small age already hearing so many times on the tv or from people around when out of my home that men were pigs and all the bad stuff which i internalized strongly, often felt like being a man means i’m bad or expected to be
Take it with a grain of salt though, bad father figure i haven’t known and autistic traits (which is not “full” autism) that make me a bit off tune sometimes so you know, maybe some nuances escape me
Yes. I’m constantly bombarded with dating advice and statements that would keep anybody single if you followed them. Things like can’t trust any man, everything is a red flag, play these mind games, you deserve perfection. Let’s not get started on every other post about the narcissist. It can’t be healthy to think or talk about narcissists that much.
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There’s a lot of different negative paths any one person can go down. The incel pipeline isn’t the only one, but many lean towards some kind of conservativism.
People of all demographics fall prey to many different algorithmic pipelines that seek to scam or take advantage of many people. It’s very unfortunate.
The ones I see the women in my family fall into is those casino money apps. They don’t spend real money on it and have actually gotten several hundred dollars from it. Too much work for me to be worth it, and who knows how else they’re preying on people.
There’s very much a women’s health > alternative medicine > anti-vaccine and general anti-science pipeline, in my opinion.
As far as specifically targeting lonely/isolated women and brainwashing them into extremely toxic beliefs in order to scam them out of money, the best candidate for a female equivalent of the “manosphere” is (again, in my opinion) multilevel marketing, which has a huge amount of crossover with the aforementioned pipeline. The shit MLMs drive women to do to themselves, their loved ones, and each other under the guise of “female empowerment” is absolutely appalling.
I would speculate that the men’s is focused on growing anger at “others” and radicalizing them, for women the focus is on dis-engagement and keeping them from being politically active enough to care about things like their votes being taken away. Keeping Trump out required a lot of people staying home, disengaging the women’s vote and radicalizing the male vote made it possible.
To be fair, this election is the first in modern times that if everyone in the United States had been forced to vote, they would have voted Republican, so disengagement and misinformation works on both sides, but reaching and convincing women to get out to vote to protect themselves and others was overwhelmed by engagement in anything but politics.
This greatly downplays the fact that women seem to just share their experiences with shitty men and bond over them, rather than have manipulative manfluencers convince them that they have been treated poorly. What surprises me the most is the number of women who don’t just give up on men all together
Women get a better social media experience in general. I’m a woman with some nerdy male hobbies like video games and sci-fi and when the algorithm thinks I’m a man, the content gets a lot more right-wing and manipulative than when it thinks I’m a woman.
Women’s social media can be toxic but it feels a lot more organic. Like mom’s forums can get very judgmental. But I feel it’s real women with real opinions behind this, not trolls or bots.
Yes they do. It’s all the content based on hating men and blaming men for everything.
I’m in an anti aging pipeline rn but I kinda did it to myself. The upside is it isn’t even trying to politically radicalize me (lol would be funny to see something try) it’s just trying to sell me things. Most of which are actually things I would already buy anyway.
I’m pretty sure there are cis women who get a transphobia pipeline but I feel like the sweet spot for that is a teensy bit older than me (Gen X spanning up to boomer)… progressive millennial cis women are more likely to know what to watch out for and nope it early.
Oh yeah and I’m a recovering stem pedant so I guess that’s why the main fascism pipeline for my demo doesn’t hit for me and they’ve never tried. I noped out circa elevatorgate and became a manboobz reader cassandra type for a few critical years.
Trad wife pipeline
I remember when I used Tumblr there was a whole anorexia support network. By support I mean women encouraging each others to starve and men complimenting them.
There’s a TERF pipeline
Yes it’s called twoxchromosomes
I don’t know if algorithms push them or not, but there are definitely a lot of blogs/vlogs out there that shits on men.
I had the sad experience of getting caught on those manospere videos, or whatever their names are, around the early days of the pandemic, it lasted for a couple of month before I realised how toxic this is, and yes that was two months too late.
They mostly lived on the stupid shit by their female counterpart. Females/feminists who were proud of cheating and advocating for it, ones that complain about men existing, shitty dating advice and the list goes on.
And it makes sense tbh, because both sides need someone on the other side they can make content about. A cycle of toxic stupidity with an imaginary war.
Oh yeah look up smoothies and bread and you get trapped in a tradwife pipeline
Take a look at the FemaleDatingStrategy subreddit.
There you go.
Anorexia. Teenagers see all the beautiful, skinny people online and think themselves ugly, and must become skinnier to look more attractive.
I don’t. I don’t think I really get any pipelines fed to me. Or if I do it’s extremely benign stuff completely related to what I’m looking for. There really isn’t much capability for algorithms go from showing you vegan recipes on to man-hating rage bait. I’ve never seen anything like that at all honestly.
Most content I see is from men. Even when I look for women specifically.
yes, women are people
There’s a strong bias towards seeing the negative every which way you turn, because that’s the content that gets engaged with. In women’s spaces, there are a lot of “men are trash” extreme views that are echoed because the people who are on here bitching about other people aren’t out meeting and getting to know new people, thus expanding their sample size. And it’s easy to get sucked into that view.
Yes.
Before the issues with Cambridge Analytica were exposed, a significant identified concern with girls and social media was that it promoted unhealthy expectations of female beauty. The Instagram whistleblower in 2021 even admitted that Meta deliberately let the algorithm push young girls into anorexia. Teenage girls are also more likely to be affected by cyber bullying, especially related to their appearance.
There are also online “influencers” who sell makeup and fashion products to women. While not quite so toxic as Andrew Tate, it does pressure women to unrealistic beauty standards and spend exorbitant amounts on cosmetics and clothing to feel like they are conforming to the trend.
Men are more vulnerable to extremist ideology than women so they are far more likely to engage with extremist content.
YouTube still recommends manosphere channels to me despite the fact I never engage and block everything that looks like some whinging “gamer” or Jordan Peterson aficionado. So no, that particular pipeline is there for men.
Theres similar stuff but not really the same kind of pipeline. The closest youll find to what youve described is some of the ladies youd find on r/femaledatingstrategy . But generally speaking you arent gonna find large femcel groups the way you find incel groups because of the inherent power dynamic of the patriarchy. Its incredibly profitable to hate women (see Andrew Tate), its much much less profitable to hate the people who own everything.
The real parallel pipeline to the AlphaMale/Incel pipeline is the Tradwife pipeline. Theyre the same ideology just from different perspectives. Its all about reinforcing gender roles and shaming anyone who doesnt comply with them. Cause THATS profitable my friend.
I feel like the biggest thing you could call a “pipeline” for women start off as health or self care based and end up in the realm of eating disorders or extreme alternative healing.
There’s the MLM and tradwife stuff too, but I feel like that’s more of a “mom” pipeline.
Divorce your husband and live your best life is definitely a genre I’m seeing a lot of. I have no idea why Facebook wants me, a dude, to see reels of women talking about this stuff, but its like every other video for me.
Yeah I get a lot of the manosphere and toxic dating shit despite being a woman. Also a lot of diet videos and tradwife stuff because I hate watched some videos once.
You get funnelled into diet culture content.
Toxic dating advice pipeline
Yeah… It’s the internet algorithm driving women to fear and mistrust, not the actions of men themselves.
Yes, feminism/ being misandrist, some misandrist content has shown on my FB wall even though i am not a feminist, i imagine if i was i would get a lot more
This Dr Phil episode is a wonderful example of misandrists in those pipelines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bR5v3NRT0A
This is another example where she is just regurgitating something other people have said/ told her to feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxLSWtOkWU&t
Broadly it seems like social media pipelines make men hate women and women hate themselves
Take your pick, eating disorders, pumping your body full of botox, boob jobs, lip suction, MLM
Eating disorders, beauty treatments, and shopping. Men are radicalized to the right pill and women are radicalized to insecurity and reckless spending. Probably because women internalize and Men externalized. So men and think more along the lines of something is going wrong in my life and it must be someone else’s fault while for women it’s something that’s going wrong in my life and it’s my fault and I need to fix it.
The dangerous pipelines that target women are MLMs and antivax / raw milk type of stuff.
>the algorithmic divide is pushing both sides further apart, lonely men into resentment, and women into fear or mistrust.
A lot of girls start getting sexually harassed by adult men around age 11. We are taught from childhood how to hold our keys, don’t wear a ponytail, don’t walk alone at night, don’t leave your drink unattended. It’s not the algorithms.
alternative medicine / healing crystals -> “divine feminine/masculine” bs -> tradwife content (which is cover for white christian nationalism aka fascism)
so less what you’re worried about, and more white supremacy
also lots of inroads to terf bullshit which is equally racist and misogynistic but it likes to pretend to not be
TikTok lmfao
They slap the labor song into anything and just make a “men bad” edit and they eat it up
Vid after vid
As someone who saw both of these stuff it’s really crazy how both sides hate each other
The New Right’s Cult of Domesticity
There’s the whole men-hating subgroups.
I don’t know, recently I got sucked down the romantasy book genre pipeline and now I keep reading unfinished fantasy romance series and my husband has to hear me sigh longingly because the next book in the series is still not published.
But in all seriousness, a friend of mine joined a mommy group while pregnant with her first, and now she’s homeschooling her kids out in nature, does holistic medicines, constantly posts articles about toxins in our lives, and just today she posted a picture of her Easter eggs dyed with onion skins, blueberries, and turmeric.
Which is fine, but still feels like a huge shift from the girl I’d get underage drunk with at house parties and who was generally pretty adventurous in college.
For black women, there’s a pipeline to conservatism via the quiet luxury/black girl luxury movement. It’s all thinly veiled classism/elitism.
Girlboss feminism, misandry, etc. See “man vs bear” and other ridiculous things that went viral amongst feminist circles online.
Yeah it’s called tumblr.
Imo the true crime pipeline is designed to facilitate fear in women to encourage reactionary politics. These women become so entrenched in the narrative that everyone and everything is connected to a conspiracy that wants them dead that they forcefully remove themselves from their communities and see even normal human interaction as a threat.
i have my problems in my love life but never being interested in redonculous things like “manosphere” or hating women, i also think that it’s a mountain out of a molehill, cos for instance you often see all those screenshots of incels hating women but you have to consider that those screenshots get viral and with a single asshole an entire category is vilified and believed evil, for instance i don’t have anything against women, i find pros and cons in both genders, people have called me feminist also
this being said, i come here to say that:: IMO, hate against men is not rare at all, from both taken and free women, you often hear about hate against women but hate against men is widespread as well, i can’t put my hand over the fire but sometimes it seems more widespread than “incel hate”, hate toward men seems also trivialized sometimes, and yes, there must be a plethora of influencers that teach to hate men, i thankfully (almost) never seen one
Yes, absolutely. You can see in on Reddit, Instagram, TikTok, etc.
Take a look at marketing aimed towards men:
Even the most average looking guy can get the hottest woman if he wears GrossFumes Cologne.
You deserve to have fun, so buy these games.
You’re a master chef, buy this grill.
Advertising aimed at women is about hating themselves:
You’re fat, buy this diet product.
You’re ugly, hide flaws with makeup. You’re stinky, wear this full body deodorant.
There’s toxic nonsense aimed at everyone.
Yes but from what I’ve seen its due to gender-based tendencies. I mean, to generalise, women buy into wellness more, either bc they are mothers and are caring for a family, or bc of the pressure to look a certain way end up looking more into healthy foods etc. But both of these pursuits lead quite easily to natural medicine, “clean”-eating and a general distrust of mainstream nutrition and medicine. In part for very valid reasons as well, big agricultural or pharmaceutical corporations have a lot of power in influencing governments.
So in this context it is ripe for the spread of conspiracies and misinformation. This huge market gives wellness gurus and alternative health practitioners/homoeopathic medicine producers a lot of incentive to add to the cycle- some for the right and some for the wrong reasons.
But we’ve also seen what starts as a quest for health and alternative medicine, can end in buying into bigger conspiracies, and can often lead left leaning people to becoming aligned with far right wing politics, where government distrust also abounds (horse-shoe theory!). The woo to Q pipeline.
Source: back in the day I was into health, started getting sceptical of the gov (even vaccines), ended up joining Facebook groups and the quest for ultimate knowledge is really an addictive rabbit hole. You see people spreading all sorts of wild theories. Channelling entities. I even found my way to a group of people who think urine is a health product, which I found hilarious.
That’s what I’ve noticed anyway. People who are more involved in gender politics and are more activist would probably get a whole other algorithm to me. I just got the wierd shit!
Everybody’s being pushed into an algorithmic pipeline.
Yeah, there is a well documented hippie chick / cottage core to nazi pipeline
are you deer pretty or fox pretty or bunny pretty? You should dye your hair glazed cinnamon donut this season. Burnt umber is so in season. Just from looks, here’s all the work I think Anne Hathaway has gotten done. Here’s why I got 5 units of botox and why you should, too. 10 reasons to incorporate a gua sha into your routine. Here’s how to test your boyfriend to see if he’s cheating on you. If he doesn’t buy you flowers weekly he doesn’t love you anymore and you deserve better. Here’s why high waisted jeans are a need this season. Here’s why you need to throw out your high waisted jeans and only ever wear low rise. How to dress like a mob wife. How to dress like a rockstar girlfriend. Am I giving more lana del rey coquette or heroincore bella swan? Are you sun pretty or moon pretty? If you have red nails he’ll fall for you. How to manifest a text back. How to lose 5 pounds in 30 days. You should be doing pilates. Hot yoga. Best running shoes 2025. How to dress for hot yoga. Waterproof makeup.
We can never escape being told how to present ourselves, and how to make that presentation into our personality. It’s exhausting. And of course, tradwife and “never trust men” shit is just getting worse.
There’s 100% a tradwife pipeline.
Speaking only for myself, lived experience is the reason I don’t trust any men. As far as online, I don’t have any other social media besides Reddit and I could never get into YouTube for anything other than diy videos. I don’t think you understand how most women suffer at the hands of men be it personal and/or professional.
Yes.
I now own the tools to make sourdough, stained glass art, and have a garden that’s too big. A few more mindless scrolling sessions and I’ll have five chickens I think.
In all seriousness, I’ve occasionally wandered into the “all women’s problems are from patriarchy.” And while I don’t totally disagree, it can get extreme and a little man-hating sometimes.
Yes. I get misandrist content on my fyp all the time.
YES!!! The anti-medicine, crunchy granola Facebook mommy pipeline is real and prays on women who feel vulnerable surrounding conception, pregnancy, childbirth, and child rearing. Western medicine is deeply anti feminist from drug trials to psychiatric care to research to bedside manner: I believe this also feeds into this pipeline. Women trust random internet strangers who fear monger more than their doctor (providing they even have access to a doctor). Doesn’t make it good or healthy, but I see it happening all around me. In extreme cases they even progress to homesteading, anti government, conservative political values. It’s crazy.
Yes. What others have said about eating disorders and women who join snark subs/sites. Those groups are full of vitriol and hate.
Yes, of course. The vast majority of this platform alone is echo chambers. Its feeds people need for validation. Not all people need validation from strangers but it’s here for the taken.
I feel like social media has made it to where men feel like they have to have a six pack and drive a Lamborghini to attract a decent woman these days. It’s messed up, but no body talks about it
I’ve definitely seen a “wellness >> crunchy/granola gardening >> homesteading >> prepping >> tradwife” pipeline going down. With a dash of anti-western medicine and eventually anti-vaxxer sentiment for added flavor.
I think both men and women get pushed toward things that dehumanize women. Women get the “you’re not good enough sexy enough young enough beautiful enough thin enough fit wnough”etc. then we get sent heels, diets, makeup, cosmetic surgery, books on self confidence, manicures, anything to make us better women.
Yes, women are in fact also people
There was that whole man vs bear thing a bit back. Mostly honest venting and the like but thanks to modern social media algorithms, if you watched a lot / liked a lot of those videos or comments your feed just slowly became man hating, toxic, misandry sort of things. And much like the Tate-style misogynists, the end result of that pipeline was just an echo-chamber of self-reinforcing beliefs. Like yeah no wonder some insecure woman is going to believe all men are satan because they get surrounded by people who agree and upvote/like your posts, just as some insecure man is going to believe all women are sluts because they get surrounded by people who agree and upvote/like their posts.
Really, when people say “touch grass”, it is good advice. Get off the internet. Get away from the algorithm. Reality is out there, but it’s not on your screen.
Edit: I should add this was more of a tiktok thing. Not sure how it is on IG since I don’t use that.
Instagram tarot card readers. Holy Jesus
There is a “men deserve nothing” area of the internet. There is even a “we can’t end subjugation while men exist, abort all male babies and we will start over in a generation or so” area of the internet. It is small. Tiny in comparison to the incel community.
I doubt you’ve made it there if you think women mistrusting men is bad.
Candace Owens and Britt Cooper are building a pretty nasty celebrity gossip to Q Anon pipeline
Yes, the exact same pipeline, but misandry is more socially tolerable
Trad wide content, eating disorders, conservative-limited belief systems and on the other spectrum sex sells
I get this way with violent stories about what men have done to women or true crime bits. Especially stories of sex trafficking. It all puts me on edge and not trust anyone for a while.
There’s several! Khadija Mbowe just made a great video covering several of them (crunch/wellness, celebrity gossip content, hypergamy/high value woman content, and true crime) https://youtu.be/00PjxdE_M9M?si=2X0WWaUg2v-kxkkO
Trad wife stuff!
It is no coincidende manosphere bullshit and trad wife scheisse work towards the same goals.
What you’re describing is the anxiety that everyone has about “strangers” and “predators”
why is everybody ignoring the fact that he’s asking about femcel/misandry
There are “femcel” YouTubers trying to make misandrist content, idk how successful they are.
I can’t say I have ever been specifically fed content about hating men, but Oh my God, there is definitely an algorithm aiming to funnel women into certain lifestyles.
Here are things that I have NO interest in, that the algorithm has decided I need constant content about:
pregnancy/babies
raising children
Gentle parenting
Raising chickens
Sewing
Baking
Horses
weight loss
So much content about weight loss
skin care routine
Makeup/nails
Couples counseling
Autism/ADHD
Ehlers-Danlos syndrome/POTS
Mind you, I am a scientist, single, gay, musician, artist, interested in nature, travel, reptiles, cocktails, local music and art events, kayaking, etc. It does not matter how many accounts related to my actual interests I follow. The topics above are always pushed on me. I even went so far as to block those topics from my algorithm on Instagram, but that was completely ignored.
Fitness/health to eating disorders is pretty common.
Misandry is very accepted and pushed online.
I stopped using instagram, mostly because it kept pushing the Manosphere on me and it was just really upsetting
Less so in the manosphere pipeline, but definitely the conservative far-right pipeline.
Yes, the sprinkle sprinkle content is pushed on women If you show any interest in dating content. It has some good messages for self respect and boundaries, but it quickly dissolves into transaction based relationships, using men for money alone, accepting abuse for money, and manipulation.
I kept seeing sprinkle sprinkle on my Tiktok so I looked it up. I couldn’t get rid of the content for months. I was still hiding related videos when I deleted my Tiktok account.
throwing a wrench into this, i almost got sucked alt right and i’m a woman. it’s because i was nerdy and liked star wars.
Just look at FDS lol
No. As an internet woman. I am too sceptical of fanciful and emotionally charged media. There are too many scams out there.
My wife’s algorithm is entirely recipes and fun things to do in Paris.
>Do women online get pushed into harmful algorithmic “pipelines” the same way lonely men get drawn into the Manosphere/incel pipeline?
They absolutely do. Degenerate online media bubbles for women tend to include posting selfies and judging each other’s selfies, or woke social justice outrage. (Not sure how much overlap there is between those groups.)
Indeed, statistical evidence suggests that the rise of smartphones and social media in the 2010s has been much worse for women than for men, at least in young age groups where people are most susceptible. The proportion of boys who get into toxic misogynist communities is not that large, and most of the others just spend their time playing video games, which is relatively innocent. The selfie-posting and selfie-judging, by comparison, is far more ubiquitous and psychologically destructive.
>I’m worried that there may be content aimed at women that, under the guise of self-protection or empowerment, ends up vilifying men or reinforcing negative generalizations.
The entire woke SJW movement…?
>it feels like the algorithmic divide is pushing both sides further apart
Yes, although there are other reasons that aren’t really about social media algorithms, too. It’s a combination of factors.
>Is anyone else seeing this pattern?
Barely a day goes by when it’s not thoroughly discussed in the news, on social media, and by YouTube podcasters.
No, not at all. I’m a woman who is single so I guess that veers me towards the topics of singlehood and loneliness and it’s all the male pipeline of pittying men and vilifying women.
In a way it does make me hate men, but ironically it’s not because I see content made by women for women, all the content I see is by men, and it makes me hate men. I tried to make a post about this, but it was removed.
Basically everything I see is just “male loneliness”, “men are forgotten”, “men have to be strong and nobody cares about their feelings”, “boys have eating disorders and hesitate to get help because of gender norms”, along with posts of the types “I’m a reasonable man who does everything right, but my girlfriend is a lazy abusive bum” and the other side of that coin which is “I’m a woman and I’m so grateful for my boyfriend being so perfect, how can I make him feel more appreciated”.
Those are the posts that get upvoted because men make a greater percentage of Reddit upvotes and comments. And as you can see, it’s always “men are perfect angels, women are severely flawed, and men are martyrs”.
People have mentioned the big self-hate pipelines (MLM, anorexia, trad wife, etc.), and the crunchy to right wing anti-vax one, but there’s a fairly robust toxic Motherhood pipeline. The UK’s Mumsnet is particular notorious, especially in connection to driving TERF talking points into broader national and then international consciousness. But its easy to find plenty of others on basically every social networking site.
The alternative lifestyle to far right pipeline is a pretty common one. One moment you are in to yoga and organic food and it can eventually lead to anti vax/racial purity stuff than can get very dark and dangerous. Not all, but a decent chunk.
This has made me curious – does manosphere/incel content include content from women reinforcing these ideas? I am deep in the hole of the feminist algorithm but there’s a fair bit of feminist men in that content and the only hate I see is in reaction to the manosphere/incel content or their behaviour. There’s nothing coming up that’s trying to get you to inherently hate men. If anything, the content can be a nice reminder of the men out there that are educated on and advocate for gender equality.
Women most assuredly get into harmful, misandrist spaces. Just look at Reddit! You’ve got TwoX, SeriousGynarchy, there was FDS, one that’s just called women (I think?) and plenty of others. Quora, AWDTSG app, Facebook, and so many more. Women are undeniably capable of horrible sexism. EDIT: oh and of course, any space that allows feminism to thrive. Go read the declaration of sentiment if you don’t believe me, that shitty movement was harmful and misandrist from the very beginning.
Yes.
As others have said, a lot of the “beauty” pages are very harmful to women’s self esteem, there are influencers and communities who push a pretty shitty consumerist mindset, which goes hand in hand with that (like when my 11 year old niece was convinced she needs a $500 makeup gift card so she can look good enough)
But even as far as the bitter, hateful communities, women have the same thing and it’s actually pretty widespread. It’s not as harmful though because women tend to be smaller, less aggressive and less likely to use force.
Yes. Realistically just an everyone who engages with these platforms
Yes, women get pushed into a pipeline that suggests that every woman that leaves the house after 9pm alone is raped and murdered and that there are 50-100 people actively stalking you at any time of the day
I’ve noticed a lot of the videos that have come out of China lately in the push against Western propaganda about what China is like go to great lengths to note that China is safe for women to walk alone.. which is quite funny, because I mean… so are Western countries. But somehow we’ve made this propaganda against ourselves. It’s an odd situation.
My mother fell victim to the anti-vax/”natural” medicine BS
Women tend to turn hate inward, men tend to turn it outward. This isn’t anything to do with biology and everything to do with how the genders are socialized.
While there are femcels and the occasional misandrists it tends not to generate as much profit as the manosphere does. Plus women are encouraged to form close relationships outside of just romantic ones AND there is much less cultural hate for seeking therapy with women.
The reason there is so much content like that aimed at men is largely because of the grift and profit.
I think diet, makeup and fashion industry aready have women in a chokehold.
Agreeing with other editors about eating disorders, hygiene wars that just keeps upping the ante, what is a good and bad mother,
The whole ‘black cat energy’ nonsense is imo the female version of the manosphere. There are tons of female creators on social media that talk about how as a woman you need to behave like a bitch to men or they won’t respect you, how you should give 0 effort to a man until for months and months on a row he has been chasing you and he has been taking all the initiative and he’s been spending money on you. How men are not capable of being emotionally mature and fulfilling your emotional needs, so you just need to use relationships as something transactional that benefits you financially and materialistically. How as a woman you are the price and men should treat you as such..
And when I hear the complaints from men in my social circle about dating, or when I read about a lot of the dating experience from men online, it definitely has a significant impact because I hear it often that women behave this way.
It’s pretty sad. As women we have a lot of negative experiences due to men being shitty men that most likely have been influenced by the toxic incel manosphere. And then women see that as a valid reason to start treating men like shit in return. And then men see that as a validation of why they should just treat women in a certain way. We’re stuck into this toxic spiral that objectifies people (both men and women), dehumanizes them and less and less people become capable of having deep, meaningful connections with each other, which only leads to more loneliness and misery.
Perhaps online, sure. that’s a possibility I haven’t seen much evidence for.
But also, very much NOT online, but rather in nearly all extant romance focused media.
Most romantic media is marketed towards women, but the tropes that you see in media depictions of romantic relationships are highly toxic tropes that lack all resemblance to the actual practices and structures of relationships as an adult. (My conspiracy theory analysis of WHY that’s the case would say that the tropes are designed to leave women with a sense of longing that will only ever be fulfilled by the media being provided, and is designed to drive sales up and keep them up long term, but that type of emotional manipulation is hard to find proof of). So, its not so much a Femosphere in traditional media, as much as it is a completely false representation of what love looks like and what relationships that are successful look like.
But it is, perhaps, even MORE sinister, given how prevalent and ubiquitous it is. Real men aren’t mind readers. sex definitely matters to your relationship.
But CRUCIALLY important, communicating about your wants and needs, and actively working towards implementing them, without criticizing someone for their failures, is a sign that the “love” in the relationship is working. being vulnerable enough to go to you husband and say “i’m not feeling the approach you’re making to sex, and I want to feel wooed” is actually the pathway to happiness. and then having an answer to a guy when he says “that’s a lot of work, what kind of standard can we set up to make sure you feel the things you need” is also the pathway to success. But you’d think that any person who doesn’t immediately click with you is not capable of being your soulmate from the way nearly all romantic media portrays relationships.
Like, if you get your picture of successful relationships from media, you’re REALLY fucked when it comes down to being actual humans in a relationship. Soulmates happen, some times, like in the movies, and its great when it does. but anything that can come quickly and go quickly, too. Real relationships that last are building, every step of the way, the tools that are necessary to resolve conflicts and keep the people grounded in the reality of being in the relationship.
That includes, sometimes, lowering your standards, and sometimes, raising them. But divorcing your husband or wife because they don’t wash the dishes the way that you want the dishes washed is an act of stupidity on your part, full stop, and without the slightest hesitation. its like folks who do that forgot that your personal standards are, in fact, still your own personal standards, and you are responsible for meeting them. BUT CRUCIALLY, the media leaves out evaluations of these types of things as standard relationship practices: can you live with the person who is your “soulmate” vibe, for 60 plus years, having to pick up after him/her when they leave their dirty clothes on the floor? If no, and you still get into the relationship, the one who’s being an asswipe isn’t the partner leaving the clothes lying around, its the one who said they’d be fine with that person but was fucking lying the whole time. Its ok to say “you’re too much for me, even though you set my soul on fire right now” and you’re not missing out on an opportunity of a lifetime to do so.
You can get to a soul-on-fire connection by putting in work on a relationship, as well, even if it doesn’t start that way, but you’ll never see it in a traditional media representation of a relationship.
happiness is so much deeper and more flexible than it is portrayed in the media, and the pipeline for romantically abusive relationship tropes is literally in front of everyone’s eyes, at all times. It definitely is a harmful algorithmic pipeline that women get pushed into in our society, even if its not online.
It would seem narcissism is one of these topics.
Not anywhere as drastic ways. I think the closest thing to incel type behavior (excluding femcels) is the type of circlejerking relationship issues between women only in internet. So on reddit subs like AITA. When userbase is 80% women and most topics are about man vs. woman, ofc there’ll end up being lean towards one direction. Just as there would be if it was male oriented space.
In grand scheme of things, very far away from how problematic young disillusioned men can get.
Regarding weight at least with toxic pro ana or body positivity in sense than obesity is good.
Also places that are just extremely cynical and political that take a toll on people’s mental well-being (like the X chromosome sub even here as big sub) and gossip subs where people attack each other (like fauxmoi sub).
But maybe not same way men have Andrew Tate
The answer is yes and it’s actually the same people leading both women and men into these pipelines, oligarchs and the elites want us to be divided against one another, the elite can control us when we are not united, so whatever we do, we have to unite now, we have to stop the division, that’s how we put back power in our own hands.
You can count on it, OP. It’s in every government’s interest to intellectually and emotionally numb out its population in order to control it