I think it’s very easy to take entry level misogyny and lean into redpill shit so to some degree yes cause a lot of people are already at a prime starting position
I’m starting to find it more in the wild than I was, which is alarming. What is particularly concerning is that I hear married 40 year old men spouting that crap, rather than people who are young and impressionable.
What men discuss in Internet forums is only indicative of what men who spend their time discussing shit in Internet forums are talking about. If you go to the places where men gather to shit on women, that’s what you’ll find there.
All the normal men are out there doing normal stuff.
Yeah, what worries me is less about the people who are chronically online with us (which is a significant part of the population considering we carry the internet in our pockets and most people are turning to social media and podcasts for news and entertainment)… I am worried about the stories I am hearing about the dudes that are my nieces age— the guys in middle school and high school. They have and are being raised on this nonsense… they wholeheartedly believe it’s normal. It’s truly troubling because the girls are buying into now too !
All I have to say is be good role models ladies, and find good role models to be around your kids… they pick up on everything!
I knew it was getting worse when I started hearing it in the real world. Unfortunately I reconnected with an old friend from high school who was repeating these red pill talking points like a parrot.
We went out and had a few drinks then it started spilling out. He started saying women over 30 expire, men age like wine, etc. I was shocked because he use to be a fun, easy going guy. Life wasn’t kind to him since he had no college education, was working at a dead end warehouse job, and had just moved out on his own to his first solo apartment. He was 35 at the time.
His friends also joined us and were saying some of the same misogynistic things. All of them were also working at the same place. I ended the friendship and met my husband not long after who is a normal, well adjusted person lol. I think men turn to red pill when they are looking for someone to blame for their woes or their miserable outcome in life.
Idk if it’s getting worse or if men just feel more safe to be open about it, but I have absolutely noticed men being more vocal about it in the wild. I’m a single woman who dates quite a bit and it’s shocking how many times I’ll be out with a seemingly normal guy, who after a few dates will start spouting so Andrew Tate nonsense. They always try to be subtle about it at first but that shit is everywhere. Just for context, I live in a liberal city.
I’m seeing men overall get angry at things I say nearly 100% of the time now, in stranger, personal, and work settings (full spectrum of folks here from bible thumpers to self described pacifist hippies). That’s new in the past year or so.
They’ve really been successful at dividing the 99%. We need to remind everyone the only enemy is the 1%.
It’s def starting to happen and the shittiest part is that it’s mainly men in their 30s/40s and idk wtf their problem is. I’m an outsider looking at all this and even my friends who are almost 40 that are currently dating said the shit you see on TV, this is really happening! 😲
You’re not chronically online. It’s spreading like wildfire. Most of men who were my friends believe in it, even the married ones and their wives know about it. Another reason I hate RP so much because it has destroyed my friendships making my life very lonely.
It’s for sure spreading. Men are experiencing legitimate issues finding mates and the most common explanation from the left/feminism is “you’re an emotionally stunted loser who can’t provide the love modern women demand.” And so they gather together in loser communities and come up with the most uncharitable explanations possible that cast themselves as the victims of society and absolves them of any personal responsibility for their sexual failures.
If I never spent any time on reddit, I would have no idea what red pill is.
I know ONE guy who I think has a really unhealthy view of dating and relationships, but he’s not disrespectful to women, certainly not on purpose, he’s just really immature for being in his 30s. It’s hard to describe. He’s not red pill at all. He’s the closest example I could think of.
Yes. My good friend is into the whole red pill theory now. I hadn’t seen her in 5 years due to us living on opposite sides of the country. Now we live close to each other again and she was spouting off all this red pill stuff. I was like…???
I’ve even noticed children parroting some red pill talking points. Who owns the social media companies? What kind of ideals do they support? What’s stopping them from feeding that kind of content to anyone and everyone?
They are out there. I once knew a kind-hearted teen boy who is now in his late 20s and currently worships Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson. I’ve noticed that most men in my circle have evolved into red pill thinking in their 40s. Plus, it doesn’t help having a misogynistic, sexist, racist, rapist as our president.
It’s hard for me to tell, in my normal real life, I see zero signs of such things. I live in a large liberal city in the North of the US. All my friends have great husbands who are engaged fathers and engaged partners. When I am around them, they say nothing that would even raise an eyebrow to me. All of them are liberal and good men.
I don’t believe what I see online, sometimes I wonder if conservative think tanks are paying to create content to build gaps between liberals to get them fighting between each other and allowing conservatives to take power. Sounds crazy, I know, but it would be what I would do if I was in their shoes.
I do believe it is impacting young men…but young men have always been this way. It’s a time of confusion, loneliness and depression for many people. I think a lot of young people blame everyone else for the world and the problems they are experiencing. They view themselves as good and everything that happens to them, as the fault of whoever isn’t them and whoever isn’t part of who they identify with.
On top of that, the world sucks right now and everyone is looking for what to blame. We’ve constructed a social media land of isolation and misery in a political doomscape and we are all looking for someone to blame. The irony about all of it, is we spend a lot of time focusing on the smaller disagreements between liberal circles instead of focusing on defeating conservatism. Squabble for the scraps while the world is deconstructed around us.
It’s spreading. It used to be a fringe incel ideology that I only saw in remote online spaces, 4chan and the old incel subreddit before they got banned. Now we have a vice president who talks about it on air and my late-20’s cousin posts about it on her TikTok account. She’s pregnant with child #5 right now and hardly talks to the family, I think her husband is into this crap and is keeping her trapped with babies. There’s even a candidate for governor of California now talking about immigration exceptions for migrant women as long as they’re willing to marry incels.
How and why this is becoming mainstream, I’ll never understand.
I feel like it’s the inevitable backlash to the Me Too/Time’s Up movement of the 2010s. The men who were/are part of the problem couldn’t stand being called out. Drumpf made it socially acceptable for men to be vocally misogynistic again, and they’re not going to stop until we take our power back again.
Yes it’s been steadily increasing since Covid in my actual life outside of the internet. Nearly all of the men I was friends with became more comfortable saying racist & homophobic things (ironically I noticed this more than the sexism), and everything was “banter” and “a joke”. Hiding behind dark humour to say awful things in the name of sexism is the norm now. My younger brother told me he likes Andrew Tate and that women do belong in the kitchen, I told my Dad to monitor his internet & Tate is a rapist and he just said it’s not a big deal and all of his friends watch him too. It’s honestly terrifying and makes me scared of how my relationships with men will further deteriorate
I don’t feel they’re necessarily increasing in number, just that more feel empowered to speak out. Trump gives the angry white male permission to act out. As a pasty faced older white male who grew up 5 miles to the right of Ronnie Reagan, not all of us are like this.
I’ve tutored high school and college age kids every Saturday for 12 years. Sometimes I only tutor on the weekend or I ramp up my hours if I’m in between work. I have the opportunity to become someone these kids trust and we have a chance for chit chat at the start/end of our time. It’s absolutely spreading. I would hate to be a young girl growing up today.
There was just an article released about how young boys are refusing to speak to or acknowledge their female teachers in school because of what they’re leeching from Andrew Tate and this red pill shit.
The people in here saying it isn’t getting worse are fucking blind.
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I think it’s very easy to take entry level misogyny and lean into redpill shit so to some degree yes cause a lot of people are already at a prime starting position
I’m starting to find it more in the wild than I was, which is alarming. What is particularly concerning is that I hear married 40 year old men spouting that crap, rather than people who are young and impressionable.
I don’t think it’s any more proliferated now than it was when I first learned about it 15 or so years ago
Yes. It doesn’t help that most men already have a redpillish thought pattern from the sprinkled misogyny that infests our culture.
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Hard to say, I don’t really spend a lot of time with its target audience.
What men discuss in Internet forums is only indicative of what men who spend their time discussing shit in Internet forums are talking about. If you go to the places where men gather to shit on women, that’s what you’ll find there.
All the normal men are out there doing normal stuff.
It’s started popping up in the workplace for me, so I’d say yes.
Yeah, what worries me is less about the people who are chronically online with us (which is a significant part of the population considering we carry the internet in our pockets and most people are turning to social media and podcasts for news and entertainment)… I am worried about the stories I am hearing about the dudes that are my nieces age— the guys in middle school and high school. They have and are being raised on this nonsense… they wholeheartedly believe it’s normal. It’s truly troubling because the girls are buying into now too !
All I have to say is be good role models ladies, and find good role models to be around your kids… they pick up on everything!
I knew it was getting worse when I started hearing it in the real world. Unfortunately I reconnected with an old friend from high school who was repeating these red pill talking points like a parrot.
We went out and had a few drinks then it started spilling out. He started saying women over 30 expire, men age like wine, etc. I was shocked because he use to be a fun, easy going guy. Life wasn’t kind to him since he had no college education, was working at a dead end warehouse job, and had just moved out on his own to his first solo apartment. He was 35 at the time.
His friends also joined us and were saying some of the same misogynistic things. All of them were also working at the same place. I ended the friendship and met my husband not long after who is a normal, well adjusted person lol. I think men turn to red pill when they are looking for someone to blame for their woes or their miserable outcome in life.
Idk if it’s getting worse or if men just feel more safe to be open about it, but I have absolutely noticed men being more vocal about it in the wild. I’m a single woman who dates quite a bit and it’s shocking how many times I’ll be out with a seemingly normal guy, who after a few dates will start spouting so Andrew Tate nonsense. They always try to be subtle about it at first but that shit is everywhere. Just for context, I live in a liberal city.
I’m seeing men overall get angry at things I say nearly 100% of the time now, in stranger, personal, and work settings (full spectrum of folks here from bible thumpers to self described pacifist hippies). That’s new in the past year or so.
They’ve really been successful at dividing the 99%. We need to remind everyone the only enemy is the 1%.
BOTH.
It’s def starting to happen and the shittiest part is that it’s mainly men in their 30s/40s and idk wtf their problem is. I’m an outsider looking at all this and even my friends who are almost 40 that are currently dating said the shit you see on TV, this is really happening! 😲
31 M here. Not sure if I’m allowed to comment.
You’re not chronically online. It’s spreading like wildfire. Most of men who were my friends believe in it, even the married ones and their wives know about it. Another reason I hate RP so much because it has destroyed my friendships making my life very lonely.
It’s for sure spreading. Men are experiencing legitimate issues finding mates and the most common explanation from the left/feminism is “you’re an emotionally stunted loser who can’t provide the love modern women demand.” And so they gather together in loser communities and come up with the most uncharitable explanations possible that cast themselves as the victims of society and absolves them of any personal responsibility for their sexual failures.
If I never spent any time on reddit, I would have no idea what red pill is.
I know ONE guy who I think has a really unhealthy view of dating and relationships, but he’s not disrespectful to women, certainly not on purpose, he’s just really immature for being in his 30s. It’s hard to describe. He’s not red pill at all. He’s the closest example I could think of.
Yes. My good friend is into the whole red pill theory now. I hadn’t seen her in 5 years due to us living on opposite sides of the country. Now we live close to each other again and she was spouting off all this red pill stuff. I was like…???
I’ve even noticed children parroting some red pill talking points. Who owns the social media companies? What kind of ideals do they support? What’s stopping them from feeding that kind of content to anyone and everyone?
I think it always existed but now has a name.
They are out there. I once knew a kind-hearted teen boy who is now in his late 20s and currently worships Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson. I’ve noticed that most men in my circle have evolved into red pill thinking in their 40s. Plus, it doesn’t help having a misogynistic, sexist, racist, rapist as our president.
You know what? I don’t care if it is. We are armed this time. Fuck ’em. Let them try that shit again.
The patriarchy is scared.
They should be.
It’s hard for me to tell, in my normal real life, I see zero signs of such things. I live in a large liberal city in the North of the US. All my friends have great husbands who are engaged fathers and engaged partners. When I am around them, they say nothing that would even raise an eyebrow to me. All of them are liberal and good men.
I don’t believe what I see online, sometimes I wonder if conservative think tanks are paying to create content to build gaps between liberals to get them fighting between each other and allowing conservatives to take power. Sounds crazy, I know, but it would be what I would do if I was in their shoes.
I do believe it is impacting young men…but young men have always been this way. It’s a time of confusion, loneliness and depression for many people. I think a lot of young people blame everyone else for the world and the problems they are experiencing. They view themselves as good and everything that happens to them, as the fault of whoever isn’t them and whoever isn’t part of who they identify with.
On top of that, the world sucks right now and everyone is looking for what to blame. We’ve constructed a social media land of isolation and misery in a political doomscape and we are all looking for someone to blame. The irony about all of it, is we spend a lot of time focusing on the smaller disagreements between liberal circles instead of focusing on defeating conservatism. Squabble for the scraps while the world is deconstructed around us.
It’s spreading. It used to be a fringe incel ideology that I only saw in remote online spaces, 4chan and the old incel subreddit before they got banned. Now we have a vice president who talks about it on air and my late-20’s cousin posts about it on her TikTok account. She’s pregnant with child #5 right now and hardly talks to the family, I think her husband is into this crap and is keeping her trapped with babies. There’s even a candidate for governor of California now talking about immigration exceptions for migrant women as long as they’re willing to marry incels.
How and why this is becoming mainstream, I’ll never understand.
I feel like it’s the inevitable backlash to the Me Too/Time’s Up movement of the 2010s. The men who were/are part of the problem couldn’t stand being called out. Drumpf made it socially acceptable for men to be vocally misogynistic again, and they’re not going to stop until we take our power back again.
I didn’t think so until I saw praise of Carrie underwood’s modest bathing suit last week
Yes it’s been steadily increasing since Covid in my actual life outside of the internet. Nearly all of the men I was friends with became more comfortable saying racist & homophobic things (ironically I noticed this more than the sexism), and everything was “banter” and “a joke”. Hiding behind dark humour to say awful things in the name of sexism is the norm now. My younger brother told me he likes Andrew Tate and that women do belong in the kitchen, I told my Dad to monitor his internet & Tate is a rapist and he just said it’s not a big deal and all of his friends watch him too. It’s honestly terrifying and makes me scared of how my relationships with men will further deteriorate
The US election seems like evidence that it’s spreading
There are a lot of bots, paid trolls and of course some maga.
I don’t feel they’re necessarily increasing in number, just that more feel empowered to speak out. Trump gives the angry white male permission to act out. As a pasty faced older white male who grew up 5 miles to the right of Ronnie Reagan, not all of us are like this.
It’s definitely spreading. I mean look at who is the US President.
a lot of us who are chronically online actually have seen it LESS and more spaces are protective of women these days than before
things did get better
Its mostly online. Normal people are out living life
shit has been dead for years
I’ve tutored high school and college age kids every Saturday for 12 years. Sometimes I only tutor on the weekend or I ramp up my hours if I’m in between work. I have the opportunity to become someone these kids trust and we have a chance for chit chat at the start/end of our time. It’s absolutely spreading. I would hate to be a young girl growing up today.
There was just an article released about how young boys are refusing to speak to or acknowledge their female teachers in school because of what they’re leeching from Andrew Tate and this red pill shit.
The people in here saying it isn’t getting worse are fucking blind.