I’m not 100% how to put this. I sincerely wonder how if you realize how bad it’s gotten. With all that’s going on Greenland, Canada, Denmark, cozying up to Putin and antagonizing Zelenskiy, lying about the amount US has donated, etc I just keep wondering that nothing like this has happened in my lifetime.
As a European I personally can’t see this thing recovering any longer, not for a long, long time. I was curious to ask if you see any hope for this relationship, and the timeline you think it’ll happen?
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Yes. Europe is highly dependent on the USA. That’s why Ukraine is losing right now. Because Europe is too weak to defend itself and its neighbors against aggression.
I dont see them as broken.
Don’t want to come off in a bad way, but idk how to put this. Most Americans do not care. I also do not care. And I’m a legal immigrant American.
It’s because we see Europeans say this type of shit like "lying about how much we donated." Because we already know that the actual numbers are still egregiously disproportionate. The US still donated more than all of Europe combined. We are the world’s military. We are NATO. It’s crazy how little Europeans know about the American military. They don’t realize that they literally need us to go to war with any of the axis powers. Whereas we can fend off every country’s military at once if they decide to try and turn against America.
Look at what happened when we decided to cut Ukraine off. The EU tried to stand all tall and superior to the US and tried to act like they would take care of Ukraine, just to eventually come out and say they will need the U.S. to help still. The Euros like to flaunt their government funded programs like universal healthcare and don’t spend Jack shit on your military knowing the United States will take care of you. Meanwhile we hemorrhage a ton of the Americas taxpayer money to be able to protect the rest of the world and can’t afford to cut back and get things like universal healthcare. Because it’s not like y’all would give up yours?
Not to sound like a prick but it’s just being honest. The U.S. has the resources to survive without the rest of the world’s help. I came here for a fucking reason. I didn’t immigrate to Europe for a reason. I could give a fuck what Europe thinks. At the end of the day, y’all will still need us.
It is a dependent situation. They need to depend on the US and I really don’t care if they decide to no longer depend on the US. Bout time we shake off some of these leeches.
I also think, as probably a liberal urban Western European, you are overestimating how much all of Europe agrees with you. Central Europe and Germany have taken big swings to the right and they probably like Trump quite a bit. Half of England voted for brexit and is worried about immigration and probably approve of Trump quite a bit.
Just like in the US, European media is going to be liberal and give the impression that all of Europe or all of the world hates Trump and the US right now. But that’s not accurate. And even if Trump is ruffling some feathers, it’s all going to be water under the bridge, and when the time comes that there is a Democrat in the White House again, because the US always swings between the pendulums, and it might be a fairly centrist Democrat by the way, in order to get elected, it’s going to be business as usual. Even now, under the Trump administration, many of your fellow Europeans might be grumbling, but they’re still going to continue to do business with the US, come here on vacation, listen to rap music and whatever else they have always been doing.
That and European liberals tend to greatly overestimate how much US conservatives actually care about what they think of them.
Only 1/3rd of Europe hates us. 1/3 is independent/libertarian. And 1/3 is supportive no matter what.
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Only 15% of US trade goes through the Suez Canal. We are protecting it on behalf of Europe because they can’t do it themselves.
So yeah, we are still protecting our allies. Truth is we’ve tried the gentle way of getting Europe to take their NATOVobligations seriously. It took a war with Russia AND a hostile US president to get them to finally do it. And as liberals point out with schools, it will take a generation to make up for that. Many still aren’t meeting the minimum, let alone trying to get to where they need to be.
That means that resources we should be sending to Asia, the real global hot bed, are spent dealing with primitive militaries with ancient weapon systems.
By fixing the relationship, do you mean go back to the old way where the US is overcommitted militarily to Europe? No. Even if a Democrat wins in 2028, we are pulling back. The Cold War ended 35 years ago.
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Why is it important for US and Europe to be besties though?