In Venezuela it is the opposite with cops, veterans, and soldiers. They are left-wing and authoritarian. Teachers tend to be more progressive, and professors especially, but the Venezuelan left-wing is the government so like most people, teachers support the right-wing opposition.
College teachers of private universities do tend to be more centrist or liberal leaning, and public college teachers tend to be center left soc dems. I dont think I’ve ever met an openly communist teacher for example.
Cops are almost 100% right wing, ranging from center right to fascists. Oddly enough I have seen a couple of left wing veterans but never cops.
Yes. There are historic reasons and the US has a hand in it.
In 1964 – during the cold war – the US started what was called operation condor, in which it overthrew governments in Latin America to keep control of its politics (and repeal communist ideals).
Teachers, jornalist, artistic elite, and catholic clerks opposed that and were persecuted and tortured.
Veterans, police, and farmers supported it and reaped some (mild) benefits.
Fast forward, several years later, the second group remained right-wing and conservative, while the first group remained left-wing, progressive and anti-imperialist.
It is a story of resentment, privilege and persecution that will play a role in society for some time. Both sides are confused, corrupt and inneficient though.
But here we are, as an (ugly) but funcional democracy with some good sides.
More than right wing vs left wing, cops are the school bully with bad grades and a screwed up self view who somehow got into legally have a gun and will use every single opportunity to overuse the single drop of power he was given.
And teachers are heroes, for the work they do and the pay they get.
Yes that’s very common. Military also tend to be right wing. And not just teachers, usually most of social careers (sociology, psychology, journalism, social workers) tend to be left wing ad well.
Now, it’s also worth mentioning that it’s also common to be right or left wing here but in a moderate way. Meaning you can be left leaning about civil rights but right leaning in terms of economic development. This is why we’re a relatively developed country for the region and we had several left leaning presidents in the recent past.
I wouldn’t say so in general in any of the cases unless you get to university teachers which do tend to be left wing, and high ranking old guard officers which do tend to be right wing
Yep. Although I’d say it is more like pro and anti authority respectively. As a teacher myself, a lot of my peers are in unions and such, but in every other regard would be considered conservative and/or right-leaning.
I certainly don’t know any veterans either, but yeah, soldiers are generally trained in an exceedingly conservative environment, so it’s logical that there would be a tendency for them to be right-wing.
I think my teachers were, for the most part, pretty normal… which by USA standards would make them radical leftists.
Not really, Mexico doesnt have the same left vs right divisions as other countries
Most cops tend to be corrupt and just act out of self interest without any real ideology. There are obviously exceptions to this, but 98% of the time Mexican cops are going to be morally bankrupt
Veterans tend to be nationalistic and support tough on crime policies, but many of them also have very left wing views on economic issues. (Conservative left is a common combination in Mexico)
Teachers are overwhemingly left wing, especially in Southern Mexico where left wing teachers union CNTE is predominant.
This wasnt always the case though and historically many teachers were forced by SNTE (the mainstream pro-government teachers union) to support right wing policies or get fired.
But we don’t really have a left and right wing, we just have a political class that stays in power changing their political party as easy as they change their socks, and most people don’t have political education besides memes or idoctrination so you could not really say they are left or right wing.
Do you really think the average cop reads Bakunin before his patrol starts? Do you think that the average kindergarden teacher listen to an audiobook of Max Weber while she clean her house?…hell, do you think the average redditor have some kind of political education to really choose an educated side on politics?
Yes pretty much . The teachers union in Peru is practically a communist party in itself . Our last president was a teacher and did a coup trying to establish a communist dictatorship . The police being right wing rightfully arrested him for rebellion.
Cops and retired military in my country are criminals, of a wide assortment of hierarchies, from stopping traffic to ask drivers a few bucks to high grade international drug cartels.
Teachers are always protesting low wages and benefits, but still a proud profession who do their jobs out of love for teaching.
RIght and left mean nothing when politics have become a circus.
No, the left are the nationalists and thus the military tends to be more ideologically close to them. Stuff like economic nationalism, pride on Mexican history and unity/identity and sovereignty rhetoric is going to be way more popular with service members and veterans than the neoliberal-globalist outlook of the Mexican right as well as regionalist elements. The urban progressive center-left are the biggest haters of the military, but they are a minority within the Mexican left compared to the populist nationalist AMLO left.
Most teachers are whatever the union leadership tells them to be. The SNTE were loyal to the PRI regime, then handed the presidency to right-wing Felipe Calderon in 2006 and then became stalwarts of AMLO and the Fourth Transformation in 2018. Meanwhile, the other Union, CNTE are radical leftists and more ideological but they are a minority of teachers. If anything, they are closer to the Old PRI-MORENA’s left-wing nationalism,
As for cops, I don’t think they are particularly politically relevant, I’m guessing they vote based on local dynamics/patronage systems rather than trending towards a particular political group or ideology. Being a local cop carries zero prestige or respect among anyone in the political spectrum, they are badly paid and resort to corruption to make a living and essentially only people who have no other qualifications join the police.
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I’ve never heard about this, but no.
Hell no
Yes, but cops are more right-wing than teachers are left-wing.
In Venezuela it is the opposite with cops, veterans, and soldiers. They are left-wing and authoritarian. Teachers tend to be more progressive, and professors especially, but the Venezuelan left-wing is the government so like most people, teachers support the right-wing opposition.
In Colombia, that phrase does apply.
In general, yes in my country. That does not mean there are no left leaning cops/veterans or right leaning teachers of course.
yes
Yes that is generally the case.
College teachers of private universities do tend to be more centrist or liberal leaning, and public college teachers tend to be center left soc dems. I dont think I’ve ever met an openly communist teacher for example.
Cops are almost 100% right wing, ranging from center right to fascists. Oddly enough I have seen a couple of left wing veterans but never cops.
Yes. There are historic reasons and the US has a hand in it.
In 1964 – during the cold war – the US started what was called operation condor, in which it overthrew governments in Latin America to keep control of its politics (and repeal communist ideals).
Teachers, jornalist, artistic elite, and catholic clerks opposed that and were persecuted and tortured.
Veterans, police, and farmers supported it and reaped some (mild) benefits.
Fast forward, several years later, the second group remained right-wing and conservative, while the first group remained left-wing, progressive and anti-imperialist.
It is a story of resentment, privilege and persecution that will play a role in society for some time. Both sides are confused, corrupt and inneficient though.
But here we are, as an (ugly) but funcional democracy with some good sides.
More than right wing vs left wing, cops are the school bully with bad grades and a screwed up self view who somehow got into legally have a gun and will use every single opportunity to overuse the single drop of power he was given.
And teachers are heroes, for the work they do and the pay they get.
Yes that’s very common. Military also tend to be right wing. And not just teachers, usually most of social careers (sociology, psychology, journalism, social workers) tend to be left wing ad well.
Now, it’s also worth mentioning that it’s also common to be right or left wing here but in a moderate way. Meaning you can be left leaning about civil rights but right leaning in terms of economic development. This is why we’re a relatively developed country for the region and we had several left leaning presidents in the recent past.
Yes. And like the brazilian guy said, the operación cóndor is the main cause.
I wouldn’t say so in general in any of the cases unless you get to university teachers which do tend to be left wing, and high ranking old guard officers which do tend to be right wing
Yep. Although I’d say it is more like pro and anti authority respectively. As a teacher myself, a lot of my peers are in unions and such, but in every other regard would be considered conservative and/or right-leaning.
You know… teachers have to study.
Don’t know any cops, so I can’t say.
I certainly don’t know any veterans either, but yeah, soldiers are generally trained in an exceedingly conservative environment, so it’s logical that there would be a tendency for them to be right-wing.
I think my teachers were, for the most part, pretty normal… which by USA standards would make them radical leftists.
No, in Argentina teachers are right-wing, and police officers can barely be considered sentient creatures so I’m not gonna say anything about them
Not really, Mexico doesnt have the same left vs right divisions as other countries
Most cops tend to be corrupt and just act out of self interest without any real ideology. There are obviously exceptions to this, but 98% of the time Mexican cops are going to be morally bankrupt
Veterans tend to be nationalistic and support tough on crime policies, but many of them also have very left wing views on economic issues. (Conservative left is a common combination in Mexico)
Teachers are overwhemingly left wing, especially in Southern Mexico where left wing teachers union CNTE is predominant.
This wasnt always the case though and historically many teachers were forced by SNTE (the mainstream pro-government teachers union) to support right wing policies or get fired.
No veterans here, just a bunch of lazy soabs
Yes, historically in Mexico, most of our Cold War guerrilleros started off as school teachers
Cops are very authoritarian so… They do lean right wing. As a teacher myself I’m very left leaning. Very. But many teachers I know are centrists
Not exactly.
But we don’t really have a left and right wing, we just have a political class that stays in power changing their political party as easy as they change their socks, and most people don’t have political education besides memes or idoctrination so you could not really say they are left or right wing.
Do you really think the average cop reads Bakunin before his patrol starts? Do you think that the average kindergarden teacher listen to an audiobook of Max Weber while she clean her house?…hell, do you think the average redditor have some kind of political education to really choose an educated side on politics?
Yes pretty much . The teachers union in Peru is practically a communist party in itself . Our last president was a teacher and did a coup trying to establish a communist dictatorship . The police being right wing rightfully arrested him for rebellion.
Cops and retired military in my country are criminals, of a wide assortment of hierarchies, from stopping traffic to ask drivers a few bucks to high grade international drug cartels.
Teachers are always protesting low wages and benefits, but still a proud profession who do their jobs out of love for teaching.
RIght and left mean nothing when politics have become a circus.
No, the left are the nationalists and thus the military tends to be more ideologically close to them. Stuff like economic nationalism, pride on Mexican history and unity/identity and sovereignty rhetoric is going to be way more popular with service members and veterans than the neoliberal-globalist outlook of the Mexican right as well as regionalist elements. The urban progressive center-left are the biggest haters of the military, but they are a minority within the Mexican left compared to the populist nationalist AMLO left.
Most teachers are whatever the union leadership tells them to be. The SNTE were loyal to the PRI regime, then handed the presidency to right-wing Felipe Calderon in 2006 and then became stalwarts of AMLO and the Fourth Transformation in 2018. Meanwhile, the other Union, CNTE are radical leftists and more ideological but they are a minority of teachers. If anything, they are closer to the Old PRI-MORENA’s left-wing nationalism,
As for cops, I don’t think they are particularly politically relevant, I’m guessing they vote based on local dynamics/patronage systems rather than trending towards a particular political group or ideology. Being a local cop carries zero prestige or respect among anyone in the political spectrum, they are badly paid and resort to corruption to make a living and essentially only people who have no other qualifications join the police.