mRNA has been in trials since the 70s. Ozempic’s only been in clinical trials since 2017. So why the scrutiny and fear of “rushed vaccines”, yet they aren’t scared of the long term effects Ozempic might have?
mRNA has been in trials since the 70s. Ozempic’s only been in clinical trials since 2017. So why the scrutiny and fear of “rushed vaccines”, yet they aren’t scared of the long term effects Ozempic might have?
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Because people are idiots and want to be #skinny at any cost yet love to spread lies about vaccines
Because antivaxxers being against mRNA vaccines has nothing whatsoever to do with clinical trials or rigorous testing or rushing the process or the like. It’s entirely about being ideologically opposed to vaccines. Ozempic isn’t a vaccine, so it’s not generally an issue for those dangerous anti-science loons.
Vaccine scepticism to the point of being ‘anti-vaccination’ is an example of irrational behaviour.
Accordingly, it is neither appropriate, nor productive, to apply logic or deductive reasoning.
In short, the answer is that because the dogmatic belief that vaccines are harmful is an an irrational belief born out of either ignorance or an inability to apply critical reasoning, it has no relationship to seemingly parallel matters, such as Ozempic, in the minds of those afflicted.
I don’t think anti-vaxxers are taking Ozempic either.
Start referring to Ozempic as an anti-fat vaccine and watch them explode in cognitive dissonance.
Broadly speaking, the same sort of people who are strongly against all vaccines are also against ozempic.
Best not to expect critical thinking and reasoning from people who are openly anti-science
Or trt , hgh and steroids. Fucking frauds. Why does ivermectin get a pass? Moronic sheep.
There’s more studies behind Ozempic than mRNA vaccines.
Also, the studies done on semiglutides have big studies, double blind peer reviewed.
mRNA didn’t. It had some development but it wasn’t fully developed til money got pushed in but the testing wasn’t there yet.
Plus they function totally different
Are you trying to discern rationality from an irrational mindset?
That is a great question. I work in biotech and plan to share your question around the office tomo
Because Ozempic benefits them directly. Vaccines are a preventative measure and for the benefit of society. These mouth-breathing cousinfuckers are too simple to understand how a concept like “community” benefits them. If you need an answer to why America is dying, from preventable diseases or fascism, it’s because Republicans can only get votes from hateful morons, so they’ve spent the last 50 years demonizing “big government” and to facilitate cutting educational spending and keep a supply of brainwashable, functionally illiterate dipshits on tap.
Also, paying for a college education discredits our whole educational system and lowers standards to the extent that a college education at a state school in America, at a cost of $150k+, cranks out confident idiots that would lose any contest of intelligence to a 10th grader from Germany or Finland. I’ve met a flat-earther anti-vaxxer with a masters degree in history from an American college with a very popular football team.
America is 25 years past saving imho
Who’s not scared of ozempic?
Because they don’t want to catch autism, but they do want to be thin.
They aren’t scared of them because no one in their lineup of right-wing gods has told them they should be.
They probably are worried about Ozempic, right? I haven’t seen anything that suggests otherwise.
These are 2 different sets of people. Weird of you to assume they’re the same population.
Simple… because they are stupid.
Because they’re idiots. There is no other answer.
Not an anti-vaxxer here, but a key difference is that mRNA vaccines at the time were not FDA approved. Ozempic is FDA approved. At that time, mRNA vaccines were operating on EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) only. Any argument the anti-vaxxers had disappeared once the mRNA vaccines got approved.
Ozempic is a hormone. Hormone treatments have been around for decades. Semiglutide treatments in particular have been around for over 10 years to treat diabetes. The effects and side effects are well-studied.
To the contrary, the lone mRNA vaccine just celebrated its 4th birthday. It’s a never-before used technology, we’re still grappling with the use data, and it’s development was rushed and mired in controversy. I don’t blame anyone for being skeptical, with all the lies flying around regarding COVID.
The ozempic hate is still in front of us.
And it will be fought on MORAL grounds. As a cheating instead of “working for” a proper weight and physique.
I think they’re more worried about contamination in the shots, like metal contamination; but don’t even realize that fact is their main point.
I was never remotely afraid of the vaccines and they did their job. I wouldn’t touch ozempic with a barge pole. There’s a guarantee with it that you’re going to be in savage pain not to mention all the other side effects. No bloody way!!
Didn’t a Montana representative propose a bill to ban mRNA vaccines specifically for their use against diseases but not other uses?
who says they aren’t?
Ozempic is derived from the frothing spit of a hideous orange lizard. Its second nature for them to accept it whole-heartedly.
Because they are not the same. Covid vax makes your own cells produce spike protein. Ozempic is a compound, not an instruction set guiding your own cells to produce the compund.
People are weird about Genetics.
You…you understand that the COVID vaccine hasn’t been in development since the 70s right? And you understand that no other mRNA vaccine was put forward in that time…right?
I have several nut jobs in my family. Here’s what I know:
Nobody’s trying to make them take Ozempic. A big part of the conservative resistance to vaccines is the pressure for them to take it personally.
mRNA modifies DNA, Ozempic does not. The vaccines are often compared to “a computer virus for your DNA” while most people understand Ozempic as a diabetes drug that also suppresses appetite.
Most anti vaxxers are also anti medicine in general and will absolutely look down on people for taking many medications, especially “feel good” drugs like antidepressants and “willpower” drugs like Ozempic. They just don’t regard them as an existential threat like mRNA vaccines.
>1. no one forces people to take Ozempic
There’s a difference between “fear” and “don’t force people to take it”
That one thing really makes all the difference. There are many risky medicines people are free to take.
If governments introduced totalitarian measures to make people take ozempic, people would “fear” it too
>2. Clinical trials for ozempic weren’t classified for 55 years
You cited clinical trials for mrna technology in general.
But for the one mrna vaccine people are concerned about, the FDA said it will need 55 years to release the clinical trial results.
>3. people questioning Ozempic aren’t censored
>4. there is no massive propaganda campaign to deny that there could be any side-effects from ozempic
Because of Greed, Sloth, Wrath and Vainglory.
Because they are lazy and have an easily felt and seen benefit from it.
Because they are lazy
Vaccines only possibly help themselves and help other people. They think the risks aren’t worth the rewards, especially the helping others part.
Ozempic will probably help them lose weight, everything else is noise.
We should all should be considerably more worried about mRNA vaccines, particularly the lipid carrier, which is new. We’ve only had the ability to transect cells in vivo and en mass with these newest vaccines. Transfection works well for cells in a dish, but we have no long term data on systemic effects by these lipids, particularly on the immune system. Im still a believer in vaccines. Im also a molecular biologist by trade
Its very often not a rational fear. My mum went rabidly anti-covid vax in the pandemic despite otherwise being a pretty sane person. I pointed out she let me get the Gardesil vaccine as a teenager the very first year it came out – didn’t worry what was in it, didn’t look for any ulterior motives to it being offered, didn’t question how long it had been trialled for etc. Just trusted it would do what it said based on the medical establishment working as it should. She couldn’t get the parallel, nor was she in any way reassured that mRNA had been in trials for years for SARS. It was just scary and new and rushed and different, and too much uncertainty all at once.
I do wonder how much of a backlash there would still have been if a conventional vaccine had been rolled out instead. Like, I get they had to go with what they thought would work best and mRNA was it, but you have to admit selling a “new type” of vaccine in the middle of a global catastrophy adds another layer for the conspiracy minded or just the scared to latch on to.
They’re literally just choosing which things they want to fear or believe in
Because social media hasn’t told them to be scared of ozempic
Fucking with genome vs taking medication🙄. No contest
Your timelines are completely wrong. GLP-1 has been studied since the 70’s and semaglutide (ozempic) entered clinical trials in 2008. It was approved in 2017 after 9 years of testing. In other words it went through a full clinical trial and approval process unlike the mRNA vaccines six month process. mRNA might have been studied for a while but it had never been used for vaccines, it was uncharted territory.
More importantly Ozempic actually works unlike the Covid vaccines which haven’t proven to be very good at preventing Covid. No one has been forced to take Ozempic under threat of job loss either.
theres tons of people saying that ozempic will somehow end up being unsafe in the long term just like they said with mrna vaccines.
After they had covid naturally and developed immunity in the form of antibodies, they were still fat.
Ozempic offers a possible tangible benefit in the form of weight loss.
Ozempic doesn’t change your DNA, is 100% voluntary, and isn’t immune to lawsuits.
mRNA vaccines do change your DNA. The covid shots also caused myocarditis and anaphylactic shock with enough frequency to warrant precautionary measures. The covid shots were also immune to any legal action, and while not exactly mandatory, people were coerced to take them.
Full disclosure: I received the covid vaccine (second shot was under duress from family that had succumb to government fear mongering), and I won’t be getting any ozempic.
You can’t expect logic from anti-vaxxers. If they were capable of critical thinking they wouldn’t be anti-vaxxers.
I was dating a man for about a month… he found out I was vaxed… he dumped me!!
I was shocked to say the least!
I’m 63F not like we were planning a family…
Playing Devil’s Advocate here.
They aren’t complaining about Ozempic because they aren’t obliged to take it like they are with vaccines.
Antivaxxers are in a vibes-based political fight fueled by Russian propaganda, lashing out blindly against anything their CCP-funded TikTok algorithm points them at.
It’s never had anything to do with logic, nor facts, nor a substantive critique of the pharmaceutical industry and modern health practices.
Like flat earthers, they want to feel powerful by possessing secret knowledge.
But in reality they possess no secrets, only the brain rot that Ivan beams directly into their feed.
It’s pathetic, weaponized stupidity.
You know the answer. Ozempic is not using mRNA, it’s just a normal drug.
Because nobody told them to be.
I’m not here to argue much, I just have a personal observation:
My wife works in a hospital and the first wave of COVID vaccines were mandatory for continued employment.
After that initial round, the requirement went away and was never spoken about again.
The same cannot be said for the flu shot. It’s required every year. And I find that…. Odd.
I don’t take Ozempic but I am around 2 months into taking Monjaro. It lowers my blood sugar. It lowers my blood pressure. Either of which would most likely kill me eventually. Comparing this to the Covid vaccine, which gave me a nasty cold both times I had it, is not the same thing. And for me, the weight loss is a secondary benefit, even if it’s a nice one.
As for the Covid vaccine, at the moment in time I was like, “yeah, shoot me up” I ended up getting Covid the week before my dr appointment. Dr said wait three months. Hospital changed the requirements for their employees in that time span and made me think if nurses don’t have to take it for public health safety, I probably don’t either. So I didn’t and never have.
When I’m in my 60’s, you can bet your ass I’ll get it. Covid kills old people. I’ll be old people.
It’s really pathetic! If I recall, when Ozempic was first released it was serious medicine for diabetes, etc. in spite of an irritating song being sung by an irritating woman. Obesity or weight loss was never mentioned. Now, it’s all about weight loss with an even more irritating song being sung by an even more irritating woman! When did our culture and society come to this point? I’ve been waiting to see antlers popping out of my head after three rounds of COVID vaccines. But who knows? They gotta get Ozempic! Gotta get that shot! What will be the big surprise a few years from now when odd things start occurring and they find Ozempic is the cause?
Because they are idiots. Don’t try to find a reason where isn’t any.
I mean I am anti covid vax and I wouldn’t touch ozempic so…
Because they thought mRNA would change your DNA
mRNA vaccines are a relatively new drug category, rushed into use under an emergency use authorization in part because of political pressure, to treat a disease with a vanishingly small chance of killing many patients. Skepticism of the technology is justified – even if the degree of suspicion is overblown.
Meanwhile, Ozempic is just the latest in a long line of hormone-mimicking polypeptide drugs. Technologically little different than Insulin, though targeting a different endocrine pathway. Also, it treats a diseases that is highly prevalent (obesity & diabetes), is highly efficacious (for obesity anyway, efficacy for diabetes treatment can be spotty), and it has ancillary social benefits (improved attractiveness after weight loss, reduction in weight-related diseases, etc.).
Given the above, it makes sense that one is loved and the other is feared.
However, the premise of your question may be flawed. Plenty of people fear *both*.
You won’t find coherent logic in the thinking of irrational people
If Ozempic were made mandatory, I think you would find it would be just as controversial as vaccines.
Nobody is pressuring you to take Ozempic or you’ll lose your job, have to leave university, can’t see your families and loved ones, can’t attend religious services or participate in society
Because they were not instructed to be
many of them can’t think beyond their personal experience. They see clinical trials as propaganda from manufacturers, bribed their way through regulatory approval (which, sadly, happened few times).
With vaccines:
a) most people don’t even catch the illness their were vaccinated against, so they do not have any experience of vaccine helping them or their family
b) even if they were vaccinated and caught some illness, it’s hard to personally measure efficiency of vaccines, because almost no illness have 100% fatality rate, so there is always a chance they would experience mild symptoms even without the vaccine. Or experience bad symptoms despite taking vaccine. Since they do not believe clinical studies, they have no or weak evidence that vaccine works.
c) many vaccines cause some discomfort and may have side symptoms- so it’s much more likely they experienced something bad than something good with vaccine.
That means, that among clinical study deniers, there is extremely low chance that someone will be offended if they read that vaccines are cause of some civilization problems (autism)
With Ozempic:
they are fat or know someone who is fat.
They can see Ozempic working on those people.
So even if they don’t believe in clinical trials, many of those people would be offended if someone tried to ban it, because it helps them in life. They see it with their own eyes. This would cause rapid decline among readers of conspiracy theories, so why badmouth it? Pick some easier target, something they absolutely don’t care about or something that they already oppose.
That’s the point of view of conspiracy spreaders, and since their readers don’t read anything bad about Ozempic, they have no reason to doubt it.
Ozempic, or at least the molecule semaglutide, has been around for way longer than eight years. The Ozempic formulation was fully approved in 2017, but the molecule itself is much, much older and clinical trials are as well.
Because everything about this is suspicious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSkFyNVtNh8
But I’m not scared of any vaccines, I have my Polio and MMR and so will my kids. I just didn’t feel the need to have the Covid vaccnine, turns out I was right.
But hey, I’m not overweight and don’t need the ozempic one, and me not being overweight was one of the reasons I didn’t take the vaccine.
I’m an anti vaxxer and I loath ozempic and the people who abuse it for weight loss. I cannot imagine the logical hoops I would have to jump through to think poisoning your body to lose weight is good but vaccines aren’t
You can’t use logic and reason to explain what motivates the illogical and unreasonable.
People love to call drugs they don’t like experimental, whether its mRNA vaccines (clinical trials around 2001), SSRIs (1980s) or HRT (1920s), or really whatever else they dont like, it has nothing to do with being experimental it has to do with sounding scary
At least one of them show results…
Honestly I think it’s because Ozempic isn’t tied to politics or public mandates. People weren’t told they had to take it, so it doesn’t trigger that same fear or rebellion vibe. Plus, the anti-vax crowd never really cared about the science, they just needed something to rally against.
Because the influencers and such that told them that Vaccines are evil and are the reason their precious baby is on the Autism Spectrum haven’t told them to be.
Because people who are anti-VAX are not smart and are not approaching it from an intellectual standpoint.
Ozempic isn’t being forced on you by governments with threats of losing your job if you don’t take it
They’re not afraid of chemotherapy or bypass surgery either. This has become a cultural issue for them. They’re group/tribe doesn’t like vaccines, then they don’t like vaccines.
No one has lost a job for not taking Ozempic?
Ozempic has clear,obvious and desirable benefits to them.
For some, nothing is a problem unless it affects them personally.
Hi apple, I’m orange..
Wait, no.
Hi apple, I’m Jupiter.
Just like religion, they pick and choose what they want based on how well it serves them.
First this is a false premise, the semiglutides that make up ozempic are older than 2017. Second it’s not a vaccine so why would anti-vaxxers care?
Because their cult leaders haven’t told them to be afraid of it.
I’m scared of both and turns out for the right reasons.
Because they are idiots and pick and choose what they are terrified of?
That’s a very broad range statement.
Or botox, or fillers.