I have been in prodromal psychosis for about thirteen years, only to suffer from acute psychosis for a decade or so. In other words, I was as good as dead for about twenty-three years, only realizing this eight months or so ago. AMA

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Greetings, all!

The title is true, sadly. It still blows my mind that I lost more than half of my life to a cruel condition known as psychosis, a central symptom of schizophrenia. When you’re psychotic, your brain basically lives for you, impacting thusly how you think, feel and behave.

Prodromal psychosis is the initial stage of psychosis. About eighty percent of schizophrenics will go through it. Essentially, in prodromal psychosis, the manifestation does a pretty good job passing as you, meaning its destructiveness and bizarreness are relatively low, not causing people to be overly alarmed at first.

My experience with prodromal psychosis are detailed in two letters to my psychiatrist, which can be found here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CWwZsCWFb_7OjwkauUut1Zz3tHEniULo/view?usp=drivesdk

I did an AMA about four months ago. I thoroughly enjoyed it. To expand your understanding, it can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/s/WudKmny1dq

The main reason why I am doing this AMA is to open up to the world about going through such suffering. My psychologist supports me opening up this way. Another reason why I am doing this AMA because I want to raise awareness on an issue that impacts about three percent of the general population. Also, in this AMA, I have given out more information about myself and my experiences with psychosis, so I am hoping to get more granular questions so as to be distinct from the more general questions I got in the last AMA, preventing it from being a repetition of last time.

Also, I would like to give more information in the following that was actually from a Reddit post on r/buddhism I made not too long ago that I took down soon after. You might find it helpful in your understanding of psychosis and myself:

“My name is Neil. I am a forty-one-year-old and, notably, a survivor of a psychotic episode that lasted at least twenty-three years.

I was born and raised in Canada. To be honest, I grew up in a toxic household, and because of that, I was interested at a young age in what is human suffering and how it can be alleviated. Sadly, the stress of being in such a household was enough to short-circuit my genetically predisposed brain at the age of fifteen to make me become psychotic, a manifestation of a mental health condition that impacts how one thinks, feels and behaves (essentially, the sufferer is as good as dead).

My psychotic self discovered Buddhism at the age of twenty-one. He had a very limited grasp on the teachings. He only really superficially understood the first two Four Noble Truths. If you were to ask him about the last two truths, he wouldn’t be able to provide an answer, unfortunately. In particular, he was fixated on the second truth, and because of that, his flimsy moral system was influenced positively to a large extent, I firmly believe.

Interestingly, my psychotic self was able to complete an undergraduate degree from a top-20 university (a major in economics and minors in English, mathematics, professional writing and psychology), complete teacher’s college and complete a sabbatical major in speech-language pathology. Mind you, my psychotic self was quite fortunate because he had some really kind professors who gave him special treatment.

I had what I like to call ‘heroic psychosis,’ a manifestation of psychosis where the sufferer thinks they are vastly morally superior to basically everyone else and, as a consequence, do prosocial things often. Think Don Quixote but much milder (in the first half of the episode at least). Having had heroic psychosis can explain why my psychotic self got special treatment because his prosocial behaviours made him likeable and even endearing. 

Drawing off that likability that extended vocationally, my psychotic self was quite remarkable because he was able to get a job at the government, a job that eventually paid just over six figures. However, it was in that job when the psychosis became much more extreme, to put it mildly. Managers had to advise my psychotic self to go on the employer’s employee disability program, a generous program that, in effect, compensates at 80% of his salary, and a generous program that I currently am on, fortunately.

There are five main reasons why I can’t work or why I will never be able to work again. Each reason alone can justify why I cannot work. They are: hypersomnia (I sleep about thirty hours at a time), insomnia (I am up for at least thirty-six hours at a time), OCD (an insidious mental health condition where your brain shoots deeply disturbing intrusive thoughts at you that make you want to do extra behaviours (rituals) to undo those thoughts), avolition (low energy and drive) and concentration difficulties.

I came out of psychosis around three and a half years ago. I fully realized what it did to me about six months ago, an outcome that I call ‘the Great Realization.’ When you come out of psychosis, you automatically enter what I call ‘uninformed sanity,’ a state of mind where the nascent survivor of psychosis does not fully know what their condition did to them in terms of duration and understanding deeply what psychosis really is. So, I lived in uniformed sanity for about three years. Oppositely, there is ‘informed sanity,’ a state of mind where the survivor of psychosis has a virtually perfect understanding of what their condition did to them in terms of duration and understanding deeply what psychosis really is. I can safely say that life in informed sanity is exponentially better than life in uninformed sanity, as not knowing the true landscape of such an invasive mental suffering is like a blindness in itself.

It’s pretty surreal to know that more than two decades of my life were taken from me. In a way, I am starting life from scratch.

My current interests include practising mindfulness, reflecting on the teachings of the Buddha, watching YouTube, reading the news, scrolling through Reddit, listening to podcasts, reading and helping out my younger brother, who also has schizoaffective disorder.”

Thanks for taking the time to process all that information from the above. I totally get that dumping so much information in a post is not a common practice, but there is a part of me that feels that including such information is essential to providing a more impactful experience for all involved in this MMA.

So, knowing the above, what question or questions would you like to ask?

Take care.

Comments

  1. BuhCat7364 Avatar

    What is your quality of life like now? Do you feel like you have a good hold on your mental health now? 

  2. Jewelyiah Avatar

    How many people are potentially in the middle of something like this? How would you identify them?

  3. United-Particular326 Avatar

    I’m not sure how but my family member who had controlled schizophrenia relapsed 5 years ago and no medication has been able to bring her out of it. She had lost everything including her apartment and the vast majority of her belongings except a few things I was able to save. She now lives in a nursing home. I keep hoping that one day she will come out of it but I’m staying to lose hope.

  4. Mindless_Browsing15 Avatar

    I have a 21 year old nephew who we believe is either schizophrenic or bipolar. He suffers from delusions, is paranoid and refuses to seek mental health treatment. He refuses to acknowledge anything is wrong with him yet at the same time blames his parents for what is wrong with him. Quit school after one semester, is vehemently anti-education and tries to treat himself for whatever is wrong by using supplements that may or may not interact well with his underlying condition.

    We’re at a loss as to how to help him. Is there anything you can suggest or offer, based on your experience?

    My biggest fear for him is that he will “wake up” one day and look at us and say “you knew I was sick and you didn’t make me get help, you let me waste my life”.

  5. Negative-Ad3787 Avatar

    I don’t quite understand. You were in psychosis for all those years but still socialized and did things a normal person growing up would do?

    What would have been different if you didn’t have psychosis during those years?

  6. DogebertDeck Avatar

    your post is too much text for me to handle, but i have/had schizophreniform thought patterns and I kinda like them. when it first broke out, i was a bit overwhelmed and got into some slightly dangerous situations but not too much harm was done. slightly traumatized my dad but hey, he tried to stop me when im clearly physically much much stronger. we’re still on ok terms btw. so it turned me into a shaman, although i prefer crypto-shaman as i do hide my talents pf course, they’re not meant for the general public.

    TL; DR i had/have schizophreniform thought patterns/am enlightened. so ill flip the script, ask me anything.

  7. Choice-giraffe- Avatar

    All psychosis goes through the prodromal stage. For some it might be quick, some much longer, but it is the first stage of psychosis for everyone, not 80%.

  8. ghost1667 Avatar

    what is the value of having self-worth?

  9. hereforit_838 Avatar

    Neil, I read your link to Doc X, you are a remarkable person. I love how open you are and your positivity!
    Have you ever been tested for Autism?
    You remind me quite a bit of someone I know who is on the spectrum and also Schizoaffective.

  10. differencemade Avatar

    Your Brain is somewhat special. 

    Psychosis hypothesised to do be too much dopamine and excitation. 

    After so long in psychosis, isn’t your brained cooked now? 

    What meds are you on? 

  11. Enulless Avatar

    how do you know you’re the real one?
    what if you’re just the version of you that’s made up?

    what if the real you is asleep, or watching, or gone—and you’re just a copy the episode built?

    do you feel real? or just consistent?

    think before you answer. imposters always rush.

  12. OGLikeablefellow Avatar

    I know you’re gone now, but if you were surviving and pursuing a career and doing all of the things to live. Then how was it that you were psychotic? How are any of us able to know that we aren’t in fact psychotic? Isn’t what we call reality just a shared delusion that we all happen to agree on? Isn’t it all just samsara? How can you definitively say you were psychotic? Maybe you were just wrong and your ego is reasserting itself as opposed to experiencing the death of the self? Clearly it’s materially beneficial to you to exist in that paradigm but how do you know you’re right now?

  13. Adventurous_Bit1325 Avatar

    That’s a whole damn book!

  14. palpebromalar_groove Avatar

    Hello, I have read in another post of yours that you sleep for 30ish hours and are awake for 36 hours. How do you deal with it physically?

    Sleeping for that long, do you get body aches? How do you deal with thirst, hunger or needing to go to the toilet? Do you wake up with brain fog?

    And when you’re awake, do you not get exhausted? Are you able to do mentally and physically trying activities?

    I hope these questions weren’t too intrusive, feel free to not answer.

  15. Haslam1977 Avatar

    What eventually worked for you to get out of psychosis? And did you take any meds or treatment while in prodromal stage?