Nobody should have to get a phd to have a competive edge, AND PAY FOR IT. The job should pay for it. Like how hospitals send people to school. It needs to be like that EVERYWHERE. Manager at Starbucks? Starbucks pays
Nobody should have to get a phd to have a competive edge, AND PAY FOR IT. The job should pay for it. Like how hospitals send people to school. It needs to be like that EVERYWHERE. Manager at Starbucks? Starbucks pays
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PHD shows commitment and desire to achieve in that line of work. Employing and then educating someone through a PHD who only passed a quick interview would be absurd.
Who wants to tell OP you don’t need degree to be a manager at Starbucks
Also who wants to tell him that this is broke coping
They do pay for it.
Its called a salary.
I’ll do you one better: college should be free.
Many jobs do pay for it.
This isn’t all that uncommon if you’re a current employee of a business and they want you to have a higher level of education for a promotion.
And what happens when you leave the job a few months after getting your college paid for?
You know the military does this with its service academies. You go to college, and at the start of your jr year, you are committed to the military for 7 years from that point (your remaining two years and 5 years of service after that).
Okay, but you would have to have people sign long term contracts with that company with payback penalties for quitting. Do you really want a “Walmart university” or “Starbucks U” ?
At least around me Carnegie Mellon pays their engineering PHD students to go there. The one mech engineer I work with got his and while he basically got paid min wage for 10 years, he didn’t pay to get it. You are basically working for the college as a researcher so it isn’t the same as when you get the BS and Masters.
I get what you are saying though however the PHD could be bad example.
So how would that work? You apply for a job, and if they hire you, they then send you to school for a few years to get the degree? Or are you supposed to work at the job while you’re in school, and therefore before you’re even qualified for the position?
Many companies offer education assistance and encourage continued learning. My first employer many years ago paid over 10K for one of my certifications. Reimbursememt conditions were that I pay first, pass the course, and complete one year of employment afterwards.
Many do… it’s called tuition reimbursement.
I have 3 degrees and will be working on my fourth in the fall… almost all of them were paid for by my employers.
Even McDonald pays some tuition for employees.
How does a company determine who is worth investing in? How can it be done fair without any biases?
An economist’s view is that, no, you should pay for it. Why? Because you get to keep the profits. First, the company pays for your school, and then it has to pay you a higher salary because you could just go somewhere else to earn that higher salary.
Wait, how do you think people pay for college? Spoiler alert, it’s money from jobs.
Many years ago the Republicans made a bunch of noises about foreigners coming to the US and going to school for free. The Democrats as well, but the Republicans really hammered it. What was left out of the story was that the students country of origin paid for the school. And after you got your degree you went back to your home country and basically worked for free for a decade or so. So free education but you loose a decade of life and wealth accumulation to get it.
That’ll never work here because indentured servitude is illegal.
Some jobs do.
Some jobs will pay for it or have a fund for whatever extra education you want. My last job had that.
You don’t need a PhD to be a manager at Starbucks, so, you’re all set!
Many works do pay for education. As long as you pass they pay for it. In many cases it is in your agreement to have them pay for it.
This is how you get long term employment agreements that are mostly one-sided toward the company.
No company is going to pay for your college if you’re just going to peace out once it is over, and they’ll want to make sure they get enough out of it. You’ll have the same people who are making huge financial mistakes by going into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for college, instead making huge professional mistakes by signing a 15 year contract with a company that they ultimately won’t want to work for and which will abuse them as much as they can get away with because they know you can’t go anywhere.
It almost like the jobs that require these degrees would need to have a higher pay scale, huh?
Oh. Wait. They already do.
Getting a bachelors returns, on average, about a million dollars of premium in salary over the course of your career. How much more did you need them to pay you??
But…. companies already do this ? For the education they deem necessary. If your further education is not necessary for a specific job, isn’t it logical that it’s an investment in yourself?
I remembe jobs throwing down tuition money for employees who wanted to grow with the company. Probably less common these days.
>Nobody should have to get a phd to have a competive edge, AND PAY FOR IT.
Most PhD programs pay you to do original research for the university. A lot of them also require you to teach classes. When I was an undergrad my philosophy class was taught by a man getting his PhD in philosophy. So actually, you are right! People shouldn’t have to pay for a PhD. If you are paying for your PhD you’re making a mistake.
A lot of “professional” degrees make you pay for them. Law and medicine are expensive to get into for this reason, because there are few grants or scholarships for a JD or an MD. But, its also why Lawyers and Doctors command such high salaries: they tend to graduate with large amounts of debt. Doctors end up with debt in the hundreds of thousands of dollars very often, and will spend a good 10-20 years slowing paying off the debt, or working specific jobs in the hopes of qualifying for a loan forgiveness program.
Undergraduate degrees have a lot of scholarships available for them, and there are a lot of options for low-cost education. The idea that you have to attend an elite private university or a renowned public research institute really isn’t accurate. Entry level classes at most schools are interchangeable. A lot of schools make it easy to transfer from a local junior or community college, which tend to offer lower-cost classes and a more flexible schedule.
Now, it is true that if you attend Harvard or University of Texas-Austin, or UCLA, etc, you’ll probably be able to meet and learn with some of the elites of this nation, and those networking advantages will be quite useful. But that has nothing to do with the quality of the education you receive. By many accounts, the people who end up attending and graduating, say, Harvard, are not necessarily the smartest people in the USA, they are mostly just well-connected, and they probably would succeed at life regardless because networking is really important to success.
Beyond all of that: One of the things you’re not realizing is if jobs paid for school then you’ll be married to the job for a long time. Sure, starbucks pays for my undergraduate, but in return I have to sign a contract saying I’ll work (salary, not hourly) for starbucks for 4 years minimum, and if I void the contract I’m on the hook for the entirety of my education. Also, you wouldn’t be able to study what you want, or where you want, Starbucks would make you study restaurant management at some B-tier institute they have a contract with. Its not like they’re gonna help you get into UCLA.
Well that’s how it works in many other countries. In South Africa the government owned energy company paid for my university education and housing. In Germany education is paid for by taxes which are mostly paid by companies…
My two cents: I can’t tell what you are arguing for with the Starbucks comment, but I’m a Starbucks barista and I am getting free tuition in a STEM field (unrelated to Starbucks entirely).
Every company I have worked for as an adult had a “tuition reimbursement” plan. Chick-fil-a pays for over 170 store members every year, who never go into debt for college.
My job just paid for me to get a masters degree so that I qualify for a job title that will qualify me for a pay raise. My day to day work hasn’t changed at all.
College should just not be this insanely expensive. It’s completely artificial and due to bloating and government stupidity that could easily be fixed
Where do you need to pay for a phd?? Literally everywhere i applied for one gives you a salary because as a phd student you are an employee.
In any phd worth getting, you’ll actually be getting paid BY the school
If a job paid for a PhD, the employee can then take that PhD elsewhere. Huge cost at huge risk.
How do you determine who will succeed at their PhD before they even start college? Why would a company take a risk on somebody who might cost a lot of money just to fail? I can understand the argument that we as a society should pay for college through taxes. This makes sense because a well educated populace is more productive and expands the economy. However, I can see no benefit in requiring private business to pay for your education. It’s a giant conflict of interest.
Are you willing to lock yourself in to that job for the rest of your life? I mean, that’d be fair, right? You go to school and get that degree, you have it for the rest of your life. It’d only be fair that you only be allowed to use that degree for the employer that paid for it…
AND… since they are already paying for you to get that degree, there is no reason for them to pay you more than someone that doesn’t have a degree, right?
A lot of jobs pay for education expenses but you need to stay at company for x amount of time.
A company paid for one of my advanced degrees
Logistically it would be easier for the salary to be higher and then you don’t feel indebted to the company. Best is if the government pays for it by collecting taxes from the companies/rich people.
While I fundamentally agree, and some kind actually do this, there are always going to be people who will quit and drop out and that discourages companies from implementing things like this. There should be some kind of contract that states if you quit before you finish your degree that you have to pay the company back. Maybe that’s already a thing, I haven’t really looked into it
If you are paying for a PhD you should reconsider getting said PhD
I disagree. There are many great and affordable ways to get an education. If you have the desire to pursue an advanced degree people will recognize it and support you. The problem is the education system is riddled with corruption, nepotism, and prestige. People think you need to go to Ivy League schools to be worth something and the high cost of a bachelors or masters stems from that and corporate greed.
You shouldn’t be paying for a PhD. It’s a job. You get paid.
You get paid when getting a PhD. You’re literally hired by the college to get it for researching or teaching
You typically don’t pay for a PhD tho. You’re a researcher. The school pays for your tuition and pays you a salary
You know what, this isn’t a bad idea. Start having companies pitch in on education costs, and you’ll start seeing the initial hiring standards requiring bachelors degrees drop. There’s absolutely no need to hold a degree for the majority of entry level jobs, but they’re still required by companies.
The easiest way to do this is to tax companies appropriately and than make college free or nearly free. But you’re right that it’s weird that the individual must bear the cost of job training.
Most people shouldn’t be doing an MS or PhD if you’re not sponsored by an advisor.
if you are getting a phd, you are not paying for it
The Gen Z is strong in this one.
They do pay for 4 year college… just after its completed. Its called a career.
They would never pay for a university before you go because people change so much in college. You might change career paths, you might turn out to be a total flop and not be capable of higher education- or, you might be way more gifted than originally thought and want a better offer from a different company.
You’re gonna see a bunch of answers for why it can’t work, which is why it’s easier to just get the gov to pay for it.
If everyone else in the world has free education but us, the rest of the world will be more professionally employable and you won’t be able to compete when they come for your job. American kids deserve an education that keeps them globally competitive.
But you know, lots would rather just be known as the world idiots and they’re happy that way because, well, they’re stupid
Also, manager at Starbucks is not a career
You Americans need to stop handcuffing random things to your employment
Many do
This post doesn’t make sense. Many employers have tuition reimbursement programs. Hospitals don’t pay for MDs. Most phd programs are paid for by the university. Only a tiny fraction (much less than 1%)of jobs require a phd anyway. So much misinformation packed into a few sentences
They do, it’s called a salary
They’ll simply hire people who already have the degree rather than paying for it. This will result in a fierce employee poaching industry and will drive their wages up.
That said… I think if companies had to pay for the education, (excluding professional degrees such as MD) they’d suddenly discover that advanced degree really wasn’t quite so necessary to perform capably at a given job.
Degree requirements have little to do with on the job abilities. They are nothing more than an HR tool to help sift out employees. This disadvantages people who were unable to afford school for whatever reason.
I worked for a major utility corporation for 30 years. When I started, few of the techs, almost all men, had degrees. Many started at 18 right out of high school. Some of the operators, all women, started at 15 years old. Hadn’t even finished high school.
It worked out fine, and every one of the old timers were extremely capable. Some had simply found their niche as engineers and electronics techs without having to put off their career to spend years and $$$ in unrelated classes. They tested everyone extensively, over multiple days before hiring, so those with an aptitude were selected.
Now, you must have a degree. Doesn’t matter what it’s in, which is incomprehensible. How is a degree in Finance or Video Production going to benefit me in a highly technical and largely hands on specialized job? It doesn’t. All it does is delay entry into the workforce and rack up debt for the forced student.
It was a great system, and most of the old timers are gone, retired at 50 and living a good life as retirees. I wish that were still the norm.
Most people get literally all their money from their job. I’m not sure who else you think is paying for it.
I agree to an extent. This system works all the time in the trades. There’s a lot of jobs I think would be great for this sort of thing, especially those jobs that are understaffed but still require an education like nurses or teachers. They could start in service positions in hospitals or schools and then as they work their way through school they can go more hands on in the role they want to be in.
A lot of IT jobs pay for you to re-certify. Not exactly college but close ish.
Are you in the US? If so, have you been here long? Since 1980 we have spent every year pushing more and more financial responsibility onto the worker (health insurance, retirement funding, buy your own uniforms, personal cell phone to make you available at any time, etc…). Companies care about profits, not employees. Why would a company pay 100k to educate a current employee when they can just hire someone that paid for their own education? It sucks, but this is what we keep voting for. Social security and Medicare are next on the chopping block. I think you are right and would think this isn’t an unpopular opinion but we keep electing republicans that keep taking things away from workers so I guess you are right.
Umm no, while nice in theory, not great in practice. It’s all ready horrible enough that our healthcare is tied to our jobs
My job did pay for my school. I think it’s pretty common. Maybe just not at Starbucks, should just naturally be smart enough to run one after shadowing for a while. I hope so anyway.
But it should to be related to employment.
My masters was fully paid by my company. I only bought books.
No companies should have to foot the bill because someone watch your degree that has nothing to do with their job.
How would we have a ruling class if you didn’t need a few tens of thousands of dollars to get ahead in your career?
They do, with this thing called “wages”.
Education should be free! The US is one of the only developed countries in the world without free education or free healthcare, it’s ridiculous
Good workplaces already have tuition programs – with varied level of support. Amazon, Walmart, many local hospitals, etc – a ton have tuition assistance.
You just need to do at least one of the following in most cases: work there for a minimum time and/or agree to a contracted ‘payback’ period.
This is under the assumption that sending someone to college is valuable when someone already has a halfway decent payjng career.
If you’re paying to get a PhD, you’ve done something wrong. Most schools will have some kind of grant or stipend for PhD students or your advisor will have funding from one of their grants for a student.
Hospitals also don’t send people to school, but that’s still a good point. Many trade jobs will hire people with no experience and train them or send them to a school with the agreement to work for the company for a set time. A lot of professions that require college degrees need to make the compensation packages worth it to make up for having paid for college.
Of course college should be fucking free, but that’s a separate argument.
Government should pay. Starbucks should be paying the government.
How is this unpopular opinion? Most people want jobs like this
Have you ever had to train someone before?
Put yourself in their shoes. Most people fail. If you had paid apprenticeship or you paid for the education of ten people, how many would actually be able to do the job well in the end?
They do… through your higher wages on average compared to those that did not go to college.
Sounds like indentured servitude
There is a job that will do that. It’s called the military and you get to sign a nice long contract with them in exchange for their investment in you.
You usually get paid to do a PhD…
These are called scholarships. Companies need more people in the market so they create scholarships with work requirements attached at the end.
They just don’t do this for non economical degrees.
Most PhDs are paid positions
I’m confused by your post. Starbucks does pay for college for employees. I know 2 people who worked there because they pay for college, and, they have very flexible hours. I’ve never known a hospital that pays for higher education, I’ve worked at 2. My current employer offers $5000 per year in tuition reimbursement. I have made full use, and get my second bachelor’s on September 1st, and start a Master’s in November.
They do, for higher education.
A lot of employers will pay for your education with a a few reasonable stipulations such as the degree needs to be in something related to your employers business. Mandating it just opens up opportunities for abuse.
They do for post graduate. I would argue if you don’t use the benefit for post graduate that same amount could be used to pay for student loans for your undergrad.
Curious. Why do people who go to college, complain about the cost? I always see stuff about how “people who go to college make more money in their lifetime than those who don’t.” Or how you work in the AC and not be crippled by 35, but still whining about debt.
So, if you’re allegedly making more money, then why should your debt be relieved or not have to pay for it? You should be able to cover it, since you’re making so much more? Right? Plus you get to work like 20-30 hrs a week making over 100k, yet somehow can’t live on 100k..?
Just FYI, this is all stuff I see online. Most IRL people I know have a business, trade, etc.. so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt.
I used to work in a nursing home and they’d pay for the cna training if the person signed a contract to work there for a few years. If they wanted to keep their certification they had to stay for that period of time, and that created a lot of frustrated and angry cnas because they wanted to keep their certification, but they wanted to quit because the facility was ran horribly and they were treated horribly. This sounds great in theory but its not economical for companies to pay for schooling for people that could just quit and go elsewhere, and when you have people staying out of contractual obligation you’re going to have a lot of resentful employees that aren’t doing their job to the best of their ability. This would be great for people who really enjoy the job, but for the majority I don’t think it would go over well.
Paid training?
Sounds good.
Many companies do pay. Assuming they think the education is valuable.
Why would they pay for it if there are already people with the degrees and skills they’re looking for out there?
Are you willing to make a commitment to work for them for 10 years? 20 years? They’re not going to want to pay for your education just for you to go somewhere else and work.
This is just fantasy thinking.
Most do or at least offer tuition reimbursement.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with this idea. My wife is finishing her Bachelor’s of Nursing Degree and had to agree to continue working for her hospital for five more years or she would have to reimburse the hospital for the entire tuition.
As long as an agreement like that is in place, every job that requires that kind of an education like you mentioned, in this case a PhD, should pay for the employee’s education and in return hire them once they are done with the stipulation that they must work a minimum of a certain amount of years to not have to pay it back.
This is a far better outcome than people simple pursuing high end degrees with no job lined up and many times winding up so far in debt, sometimes in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and in their mid 30s with little job experience, that they never work in that field or get out of debt.
A lot of the big companies do pay for college.
Often you stay in the company for X amount of years and you can apply for tuition reimbursement if you’re working on your degree. They’ll send a stipend to pay for your college if you keep a certain gpa etc, some even put you in an accelerated management program.
Often in exchange for the free money you have to stay for an extended period of time for the company or you would have to pay it all back.
This was the case when I use to work for General Dynamics
The state should pay for education though, Simple as. Companies shouldn’t have that much control over the public’s education
No one’s forcing you to go to school. So why should companies be forced to pay for you to go to school?
No one’s forcing you to be a doctor. Why should hospitals be forced to pay for your education because you “want to be a doctor”?
No one’s forcing you to be a teacher. Why should the BOE pay for you be a teacher?
The answer is they shouldn’t.
If companies want to offer tuition reimbursement while you’re employed with them, great. It’s a perk and part of your benefit package and they certainly don’t have to. But they’re getting your service as a trade. To believe they should do it as common practice is a self centered, handout mindset.
Don’t wanna pay for school? Don’t go. You’re not entitled to it.
OP realizing he needs to switch companies lmao, a lot of big name corporations provide these perks
In the UK at least the military does this. (Or did in the 90s. )
I shared a house with a Naval Officer – the royal navy was paying for his degree and giving him a stipend / salary. But he had to serve operationally for (I think) 5 years or he’d get the bill for those costs.
It’s totally doable – but likely only to work in fields where people have a true calling to work in that field and where employers value an educated staff (and thus will pay for what that education brings) – medical research firms could pay for science degrees for example.
I’m kinda in this belief too. Many jobs used to train people for free (that was just the cost of doing business) and all you needed was a hs diploma. Sometimes during the rugpull of the 70s, they started offloading their training to any random college degree, even if its not needed for a job, and now we have a bachelors required for even the most mundane careers. And they have the audacity to say: well, you don’t have XYZ specific training so were going to offer internships that you must have before graduating.
They used to. My uncle started at a large company in the early 70’s straight out of high school, a couple years later they decided they wanted to branch out into food and beverage so they paid for him to go to college to work in that department. Over the years they kepted promoting him and sending him to college. He retired as vice president of marketing or something.
There are some contracts for those situations. My friends company paid for his masters. My work is paying for my project management certification which is 8 months of school.
Or we need to realize that college degrees are overrated and most jobs need a high school diploma with on job training
Sorry you can’t afford college, OP
Well they could and sometimes they do.
The issue is that you don’t know ahead of time what jobs you’ll need. 3, 4 or 5 years down the line once they’ve done their degree, PHD whatever…will you still need them? Will you be in a better financial place and want not a newly graduated person but someone with years of experience? Maybe your company has shrunk and the position is no longer available. What if something happened and you need that position filed now and not then.
Huge firms can get away with that to a degree. They’ll have generic turnover so can sponsor young prodigy’s through university to get them in early. Happily pay for the next great Lawyer in their huge lawyer firm. They’ll havce a big bottom end turnover of lawyers and they’ll easily fit one or two in with that.
But many companies don’t know when they’ll need someone. What if in 4 years time their current marketing team is solid and there’s no requirement for more marketing staff. What then? They’ve spent all this money on a new marketing person and no work for them to do? They can put them in the team but now they’re paying for 1 extra marketing person but no extra work to cover.
Alternatively would you just hold the position empty for years? Force staff to cover for a colleague to start years and years away? They wouldn’t appreciate that, work will suffer as a result.
Usually, this is a terrible idea. You yoursef said Manager at Starbucks…ok. So for 4 years should that starbucks branch not have a manager? Would you get a temp in on a 4 year contract? Why would you go for that. And what happens when that manager finds a permanent position a 3.25 years in and leaves. You’ll strugle to hire a manager for under a years contract.
It’s usually a bad idea. It CAN be a good idea but normally a bad one. So having it be the default is terrible.
A piece of advice I was given by someone getting their PHD: if you have to pay for it, you’ve picked the wrong program. If you’re really interested in getting a PHD it’s an actual job and you should be getting paid.
Many do. I have tuition reimbursement where I work. And it’s not just for degrees but for certifications and CDLs as well.
I think you should start a business then see if you have this opinion.
You will have to work for them for as long as they say. Anyway it could work if you don’t mind them owning you for so many years.
This is already a thing at many jobs. I’m an engineer, but I understand my case is a little bit different (there’s no such thing as an unpaid internship for engineers, so it’s not shocking that many companies also will pay for grad school). However, you use starbucks as your example and I want to clarify that Starbucks offers full tuition coverage for any full-time employee looking at attending Arizona State’s online program. It’s called the Starbucks College Achievement Plan
Most companies have some kindnof tuition reimbursement. Some of my friends work at the warehouse at Amazon and are going to nursing school. Part of it is covered by Amazon and the rest by the wages from Amazon. They work crazy hours and live in a small apartment but it works out for them
Why would they trust some 18 yo kid to sit through school for free? The gov should pay for it, not companies.
Some companies do pay for post-grad, but only after you’ve already worked there. And you usually need to sign a contract to work for them for a number of years or pay them back if you leave.
Tell everyone you’re from the USA without directly telling anyone….
Ummm, its not a general concept that hospitals pay people to go to school, last I checked theyre like everyone else and have requirements for education.
While I dont 100% disagree with your post, in the grand scheme of things people also can’t be trusted. We are still seeing it with remote work. Until covid, remote work was not common. Yes companies offered it, but it was not on a grand scale like it was during covid and after and we are seeing that its shrinking more and more. Yet when we get a little taste of something, then it becomes a permanent want. As the kindergarten saying goes, there’s always the ones that ruin it for the rest. I got my MBA for free courtesy of my previous employer. However, there were stipulations. First was I had to be an employee there for at least a year. Then I had to stay with them for at least a year after completion. But there was a loophole in the wording and I saw 2 staff take advantage of it.
Fact is, there will be those that will take advantage of the free education and then jump ship after theyve completed it. As a company I wouldnt wamt staff getting free edcuation only to leave for another job once theyve received it. It would be a high amount of money being wasted for talent that is getting upskilled but taking it elsewhere
Nobody has to get a PhD nor does it give you any kind of “competitive edge” unless you are going into research or something
A PhD has zero practical advantage or requirement for the vast majority of jobs.
Starbucks does pay for your college
they don’t know you why would they have to pay for it
lol
so they’re supposed to be your sugar daddies?
You have to prove you’re intelligent enough and are willing to work hard enough for the job in the first place. No one is going to invest tens of thousands of dollars without confidence that you’re capable, so that just puts even more pressure on high school when teenagers are potentially making rebellious bad decisions. You’d basically be ruining everyone’s childhoods because k-12th grade would be the only thing that determines their whole future.
You’d also have to do something like sign a 10+ year commitment. No one is going to spend again, tens of thousands of dollars on someone who just quits and takes another job 2-3 years later. This basically makes you an indentured servant. They could give you shit pay for a decade ruining any chance for you to have a good retirement fund started until you’re in your mid to late 30s.
>believes you need a degree to be a manager at Starbucks
God, reddit is this fucking pathetic.
The degree belongs to you, not the company.
Start a company and do this. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Well small businesses owners can barely pay themselves, or send their own kids to university, so that option is out the window. I recall GM use to pay for workers tuition if they wanted to leave the line and get educated. According to a professor I had 11 years ago, pretty much no one in the entire factory took the deal except him. Ultimately all those workers lost their jobs when GM left Flint….
I think when employers give people the option, few actually take the opportunity. Perhaps that’s a generalization, but from my observations while in school, most people generally don’t go the extra mile, so why would you expect them to further their education?
Counterpoint – if your employer agrees to pay for your college, how long do you have to work for them and how competitive does your wage have to be?
Example, someone comes to me and says they want me to pay for their college. I am in financial services and I agree so I say ok I’ll pay for your college, but in return you are signing a 20 year contract to work for me at $60k per year with inflation-based increases. IF you break your contract you have to reimburse me for your college expense and back pay.
Still want the employer to pay for college? It’s the same thing when people say they miss pensions. You don’t get it, pensions keep you stuck to an employer for usually 20 years minimum. Meaning you can get stuck with below-market wages or you leave for a raise but lose your retirement benefits.
They might not pay for college, but any job worth anything will pay for you to get a certification or 2 in their required field.
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The problem is if your family cooperates your job does pay for college as long as you choose one with tuition reimbursement.
Problem is people get too hung up on the now and what and how they experience it and end up using those years for entertainment instead of solidifying their skills and career.
they do. its called salary
Everybody wants a hand out.
this happens all the time. many companies will pay their employees to get their masters or phd
uhhh, if you’re paying forna phd you’re doing it very, very wrong. if a program wants you, they’ll pay you a stipend that’s enough to live off.
I don’t know about the US, but it does exist in Germany.
It’s called dual study. There you usually work/learn at the company for 3 months followed by 3 months of lectures at Uni. The company pays for the uni and you get a (small) wage for your work. After that you usually have a contract to stay with the company for 1-3 years (if your contract says more than 3 years you can probably get out penalty free with a lawyer)
Pros: more money than normal students, guaranteed job, specialized education
Cons: less flexible, more work load, bound to company, specialized education (harder so switch jobs/fields)
It’s not that popular mostly because of the work load and because it’s cheaper to study here
Yep industry should pay 20% tax rate towards higher education since industry always says “there aren’t enough qualified people, they need more educated workforce, they also benefit the most from education in being competitive.
Good companies already do that. I used to be a manager for Starbucks. Many sbux partners have their degree from Arizona State paid for, and they got preferential treatment when applying for positions that they could then use their degree for.
Counterpoint- what’s to stop an employee from getting their degree, paid for by work, and then quitting immediately?
In the military, you have to sign an obligation of service contract stating that your degree will be paid for you but you’re required to work a minimum of 5-6 years in the field you’re accepted to.
If it worked that way then companies would lock you in to work with them for years. Is that what you want?
Would you sign your next 10+ years away for some contract with a single employer just so they would pay for your school? If so, reach out to your nearest military recruiter! Lol. They aren’t gonna pay all that money and risk you leaving for another position…
Well most PhDs historically have been paid for through grants/TA positions. Through a mix of research grants and teaching assignments most PhD students don’t pay tuition and get a small stipend (enough to survive in a small college town) as part of the deal.
There are many PhDs that don’t have that as an offer and anyone should avoid those programs as the academic job market is horrible, has been for a decade or two and you can’t afford that sort or debt.