you don’t justify it. it’s honestly a very draconian and dystopian thing to do, and pretty scary. my heart goes out to all the immigrants living in fear right now
The “illegal immigration” talking point has always been a motte and bailey argument. They’re OK deporting legal immigrants and families because the core motivation is racism, not merely ensuring that the proper immigration legal procedures are being followed.
What’s worse is that these people think the immigrants are the source of their problems not the wealthy corporations and business owners that continually exploit them.
I’m fairly certain it’s on purpose as a terror tactic to get non-whites to leave. Admittedly they are easy to find as they all have jobs pay, taxes, married to a citizen, have kids etc.
So if you are just looking for a “brown people quota” it’s probably a safe way as no one expects the MAGA Inquisition to break their door down and those guys are all plain clothes so everyone probably assumes it’s someone wanting to offer a free roof inspection. Or tell them about pest control service or a great deal on internet…
Having worked in Unlawful Detention matters in the UK, I find it astounding they there seems to be no legal recourse for individuals being detained for deportation without legal basis.
One excuse I’ve heard is to prevent family separation. There have been cases in which the kids are American by birth but the parents don’t have legal status. So when the parents are detained they’re told if they want to keep the kids, then the kids also have to be deported. Otherwise, they’re sent into foster care after which it’s basically impossible to get them back (there have been such cases already).
are there any pro Trump people gonna comment on this?
MAGAts can eat shit but there are non fanatics who voted for the guy and I’d really like to hear from them
or … is this par for the course.
when the first citizen was deported I looked up stats about how many US citizens are accidentally deported each year and surprisingly the answer wasn’t 0.
it was 70
which only leads me to the question … WTF is up with THAT?
Talked to a doctor last night about people lives being ruined over this. “Mistakes will happen” he said. Thinks immigration is the number 1 biggest issue in this country.
Dumb.
They don’t care that the “brown people” are here legally or not. They just want them out. The fact that people don’t want to admit it and let Trump supporters play dumb and the media gives them a pass is wild.
There is no justification, they just don’t care. To them, these people are less than human (the same way Hitler saw the Jewish people) and they just don’t matter. To them, is better to be wrong than to be sorry. They just create an alternate reality in which they are right.
Honestly, the way I measure people is mostly by how they handle their mistakes. I don’t find people who are not willing to “make thing right” to be very good people.
it was one legal person a i do not support doing the but to be fare a lot of illegal have been deported, and the people who have been deported are bad people like ms-13 gang members who have killed and raped so 1 miss to 37,660 deported during the first month of Trump presidency.
I take it that’s a rhetorical question, since the only reason ICE has for doing so is to further the transition to an authoritarian state (a.k.a., the Nazi States of AmeriKKKa).
It instills fear and paranoia in the population, coupled with financial struggles caused by other actions in this administration and cutting of essential services providing medical services it will make the populace as a whole more compliant and less likely to fight back.
It’s simple. They think the legal immigrants shouldn’t have been legal in the first place. That should have been obvious when Trump went after the legal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, OH. But apparently the legal immigrants who voted for Trump either never figured that out, or thought they would never be targeted. #leopardsatemyface
To me its enforcing the laws. If you are not here legally you get deported. I fail to see why this is even an issue. They are breaking the law by entering our country illegally.
There’s none. I’d like every illegal deported with all haste, however,no citizen is required to show documents. Arrest illegals that you know, fine companies that employ them, the rest will pop up.
There’s collateral damage in every single endeavor. Advancement of medicine, Law Enforcement, Tech Development, etc. Do you want to completely abolish the concept of police officers because they mishandled a situation? Are doctors now a flawed premise because they had a misdiagnosis?
It’s performative. Biden deported more people by a long shot the correct way, but they need to rouse their constituent so they do these dramatic deportations for show and news coverage.
American citizens who lied at any point throughout their immigration process should be deported. Maybe not to El Salvador prison but still get the fuck out. That goes for Elon Musk, Melania Trump, all those who purchased marriage visas, asylum scammers, the whole bunch.
It’s the point. Their goal isn’t to get rid of undocumented people, it’s to get rid of nonwhites people. These are the early days of genocide unless we find a way to stop them.
Name one US Citizen deported. US citizen. Not a green card holder. Not a visa holder. Not a total illegal. A US citizen.
If you are illegal, buhbye back to your shithole country.
A lot of people are being extorted, blackmailed, and held hostage by immigrants unable to work in the US and it’s gone as far as sabotaging people using healthcare, transportation, food safety, information technology, education, and everything else. They are not stupid, they came here to do damage and that’s what has happened.
In a lot of cases they have had time to declare their intentions including asylum, so I find no defense of their actions after seeing my property damaged and being stalked.
What do they expect to happen?
If you are here legally but break laws then according to your agreement with the United States you knowingly accept that you will be deported. It’s a huge part of the visa process. All countries have this.
This is nothing new, we are just repeating our own history.
The Mexican Repatriation was the repatriation, deportation, and expulsion of Mexicans and Mexican Americans from the United States during the Great Depression between 1929 and 1939. Estimates of how many were repatriated, deported, or expelled range from 300,000 to 2 million (of which 40–60% were citizens of the United States, overwhelmingly children)
You can’t. People will make excuses sure, buy moral clarity is required in this moment. If you’re deporting American children with cancer, for example, that is evil and you should not want that to happen.
They start with the assumption that all immigrants are bad. Accidentally deporting citizens or documented immigrants isn’t a problem for them so much as an annoyance. In the end, they’re all bad anyway and this just saves time down the road.
Same way you justify murdering innocent people via the death penalty: “you can’t make an omelette without cracking a few eggs”. Except those “eggs” are people and the omelette is a fascist dictatorship.
i don’t think you can to be real. Here’s the thing, having immigrants benefits both the democrats and the republicans b/c they have talking points to rally their voters in the fall. It also benefits both parties since in agricultural states even in california, these low-wage workers have zero rights, are more subject to abuse, and get paid pennies on the dollar. They serve not only an actual deflationary value on wages but also as a sociological reminder to the working poor that you could be here picking fruits for a couple of dollars.
now, is the immigration process convoluted yes, but like i said it serves both parties ATM.
I think Congress or whoever is next up needs to really evaluate this process; you can either earn your legal residency or you can’t. As for the kids, I think they can be US citizens, IDK if they can be used as anchor babies though. And just an FYI the rich do this all the time, I’m from S. Florida, the rich of Latin America and around the world give birth to serve as anchor babies for their parents and as a convenient tax and money shelter.
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you don’t justify it. it’s honestly a very draconian and dystopian thing to do, and pretty scary. my heart goes out to all the immigrants living in fear right now
To me it’s a moral failing that exposes the cruelty of prioritising optics over humanity.
Surprising that none ended up in shootings.
“Just following orders”
I don’t, I also don’t think hunting for undocumented people down like they normally do is justifiable either
Do they justify it?? If they do that’s new. AFAIK they just shrug about it and move on.
The “illegal immigration” talking point has always been a motte and bailey argument. They’re OK deporting legal immigrants and families because the core motivation is racism, not merely ensuring that the proper immigration legal procedures are being followed.
I’m pretty sure they view them all as “illegals”
There is no justification. They just hate them.
What’s worse is that these people think the immigrants are the source of their problems not the wealthy corporations and business owners that continually exploit them.
Better 100 innocent should be imprisoned than one guilty go free.
I’m fairly certain it’s on purpose as a terror tactic to get non-whites to leave. Admittedly they are easy to find as they all have jobs pay, taxes, married to a citizen, have kids etc.
So if you are just looking for a “brown people quota” it’s probably a safe way as no one expects the MAGA Inquisition to break their door down and those guys are all plain clothes so everyone probably assumes it’s someone wanting to offer a free roof inspection. Or tell them about pest control service or a great deal on internet…
I don’t
Having worked in Unlawful Detention matters in the UK, I find it astounding they there seems to be no legal recourse for individuals being detained for deportation without legal basis.
One excuse I’ve heard is to prevent family separation. There have been cases in which the kids are American by birth but the parents don’t have legal status. So when the parents are detained they’re told if they want to keep the kids, then the kids also have to be deported. Otherwise, they’re sent into foster care after which it’s basically impossible to get them back (there have been such cases already).
are there any pro Trump people gonna comment on this?
MAGAts can eat shit but there are non fanatics who voted for the guy and I’d really like to hear from them
or … is this par for the course.
when the first citizen was deported I looked up stats about how many US citizens are accidentally deported each year and surprisingly the answer wasn’t 0.
it was 70
which only leads me to the question … WTF is up with THAT?
Talked to a doctor last night about people lives being ruined over this. “Mistakes will happen” he said. Thinks immigration is the number 1 biggest issue in this country.
Dumb.
They don’t care that the “brown people” are here legally or not. They just want them out. The fact that people don’t want to admit it and let Trump supporters play dumb and the media gives them a pass is wild.
There is no justification, they just don’t care. To them, these people are less than human (the same way Hitler saw the Jewish people) and they just don’t matter. To them, is better to be wrong than to be sorry. They just create an alternate reality in which they are right.
Honestly, the way I measure people is mostly by how they handle their mistakes. I don’t find people who are not willing to “make thing right” to be very good people.
That’s the fun part, they don’t
I also agree it’s both unconstitutional, UnAmerican and immoral. But conservatives don’t care about morals
What an idiotic statement done by someone who obviously does not look past headlines. Also, lookalike all the sheep that follow. BAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
it was one legal person a i do not support doing the but to be fare a lot of illegal have been deported, and the people who have been deported are bad people like ms-13 gang members who have killed and raped so 1 miss to 37,660 deported during the first month of Trump presidency.
Lawlessness, arrogance and incompetence. They don’t care, they’re doing what they love.
When you have the power to do something and nobody has enough power to stop you, you don’t need justification.
The same way the carceral state is justified smh
The need to justify actions suggests they give a shit.
They don’t, so they won’t.
Soulless
It hasn’t happened and likely won’t
Me?? I do not.
They’re not white
You are looking for a rational and moral argument from the ignorant and uneducated. Good luck.
just following orders.
They don’t believe in citizenship by birth
My husband, who is very much an American citizen, is originally from Brazil. I live in fear that he’ll be deported illegally. It’s all so fucked up.
who’s the legal immigrant being deported?
I take it that’s a rhetorical question, since the only reason ICE has for doing so is to further the transition to an authoritarian state (a.k.a., the Nazi States of AmeriKKKa).
Who are these legal immigrant families you speak of that have been deported?
It instills fear and paranoia in the population, coupled with financial struggles caused by other actions in this administration and cutting of essential services providing medical services it will make the populace as a whole more compliant and less likely to fight back.
It’s simple. They think the legal immigrants shouldn’t have been legal in the first place. That should have been obvious when Trump went after the legal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, OH. But apparently the legal immigrants who voted for Trump either never figured that out, or thought they would never be targeted. #leopardsatemyface
To me its enforcing the laws. If you are not here legally you get deported. I fail to see why this is even an issue. They are breaking the law by entering our country illegally.
Better to send all of them to a super max prison in case one has gang affiliation!! They probably need to build women and children wings. /s
There’s none. I’d like every illegal deported with all haste, however,no citizen is required to show documents. Arrest illegals that you know, fine companies that employ them, the rest will pop up.
Are you assuming it’s not the goal?
There’s collateral damage in every single endeavor. Advancement of medicine, Law Enforcement, Tech Development, etc. Do you want to completely abolish the concept of police officers because they mishandled a situation? Are doctors now a flawed premise because they had a misdiagnosis?
It’s performative. Biden deported more people by a long shot the correct way, but they need to rouse their constituent so they do these dramatic deportations for show and news coverage.
You can’t justify racial cleansing.
I don’t get how ICE is so eager to carry out Trump’s vision. They all MAGA?
I’ve seen the following:
“If they were really ‘legal’ this wouldn’t have happened”
“They’re gang members exploiting the immigration process”
and by far the most common justification:
“Good.”
American citizens who lied at any point throughout their immigration process should be deported. Maybe not to El Salvador prison but still get the fuck out. That goes for Elon Musk, Melania Trump, all those who purchased marriage visas, asylum scammers, the whole bunch.
In the words of a former in-law, “they’re not human”. That was in relation to the children in particular.
anyone who supports what ICE is doing is a piece of human garbage
It’s the point. Their goal isn’t to get rid of undocumented people, it’s to get rid of nonwhites people. These are the early days of genocide unless we find a way to stop them.
You’re not advocating for splitting families up and putting children in foster care are you??
How do they justify it to themselves? “Legal or not, they aren’t white, so it doesn’t really matter.”
Not sure how many times they have to say racist shit before people will finally start believing that maybe they are just racists.
Name one US Citizen deported. US citizen. Not a green card holder. Not a visa holder. Not a total illegal. A US citizen.
If you are illegal, buhbye back to your shithole country.
A lot of people are being extorted, blackmailed, and held hostage by immigrants unable to work in the US and it’s gone as far as sabotaging people using healthcare, transportation, food safety, information technology, education, and everything else. They are not stupid, they came here to do damage and that’s what has happened.
In a lot of cases they have had time to declare their intentions including asylum, so I find no defense of their actions after seeing my property damaged and being stalked.
What do they expect to happen?
If you are here legally but break laws then according to your agreement with the United States you knowingly accept that you will be deported. It’s a huge part of the visa process. All countries have this.
The people doing it don’t feel the need to justify anything. Why are you trying to start a moral debate with amoral people?
This is nothing new, we are just repeating our own history.
The Mexican Repatriation was the repatriation, deportation, and expulsion of Mexicans and Mexican Americans from the United States during the Great Depression between 1929 and 1939. Estimates of how many were repatriated, deported, or expelled range from 300,000 to 2 million (of which 40–60% were citizens of the United States, overwhelmingly children)
You can’t. People will make excuses sure, buy moral clarity is required in this moment. If you’re deporting American children with cancer, for example, that is evil and you should not want that to happen.
Even what they’re doing with undocumented immigrants is unjustified.
Thats the neat part they dont even need to when noones doing anything about it
They start with the assumption that all immigrants are bad. Accidentally deporting citizens or documented immigrants isn’t a problem for them so much as an annoyance. In the end, they’re all bad anyway and this just saves time down the road.
ICE better hope Trump never leaves otherwise it will be completely gutted for completely disregarded the Constitution, Civil Rights, Human Rights… etc
We have to stop calling it “deporting.” It’s literally not. You can’t deport a citizen. It’s just abduction.
Same way you justify murdering innocent people via the death penalty: “you can’t make an omelette without cracking a few eggs”. Except those “eggs” are people and the omelette is a fascist dictatorship.
Important to understand that most ice agents are assume if the most racist people you’ll ever meet. Trumps orders are these guys wet dream.
You absolutely cannot in any situation justify it. Full stop
i don’t think you can to be real. Here’s the thing, having immigrants benefits both the democrats and the republicans b/c they have talking points to rally their voters in the fall. It also benefits both parties since in agricultural states even in california, these low-wage workers have zero rights, are more subject to abuse, and get paid pennies on the dollar. They serve not only an actual deflationary value on wages but also as a sociological reminder to the working poor that you could be here picking fruits for a couple of dollars.
now, is the immigration process convoluted yes, but like i said it serves both parties ATM.
I think Congress or whoever is next up needs to really evaluate this process; you can either earn your legal residency or you can’t. As for the kids, I think they can be US citizens, IDK if they can be used as anchor babies though. And just an FYI the rich do this all the time, I’m from S. Florida, the rich of Latin America and around the world give birth to serve as anchor babies for their parents and as a convenient tax and money shelter.
You’re gonna have to ask these questions in conservative/maga/republican subreddits because everyone else is morally and constitutionally outraged