I mean, I don’t know what they believe but if they believe just 2 humans; every human would be a product of incest, is that what they really believe ? Or what.
I mean, I don’t know what they believe but if they believe just 2 humans; every human would be a product of incest, is that what they really believe ? Or what.
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The bible has no problem with incest/interbreeding. This isn’t a dig at you OP, but you can always tell what people haven’t read much of the bible because in Genesis 19, which is right at the start of the book, Lot is 93 years old and living in a cave with his daughters. The daughters get bummed out that he won’t be able to have any sons because of the whole cave thing so they decide to get him drunk and both bang their 93 year old father in the night to make it happen. It’s presented as the common sense thing for them to do.
Edit: Fixed details of the story.
Yes they do, but it’s no concern to them because it was so many generations ago and the world and its people turned out just fine.
Pretty much
From a biblical viewpoint:
Adam and Eve were created perfect. Since they were perfect, their children were almost perfect, and inbreeding was not a factor. It’s only after several generations as the human race moved further from perfection that inbreeding became an issue.
According to the Catholic Church, no. Adam and Eve where the 1st humans God made. Then god also made a bunch of others humans. So we’re not all descendants of Adam and Eve.
A friend and i just had this conversation yesterday lol
Yes. Evolutionarily, evidence also points to there being an Eve as well, meaning it’s likely humanity started with inbreeding
Edited because I was downvoted for some reason??? The mitochondrial Eve
The nuns would respond …don’t be impudent or sometime impertinent…
Read the Bible. The Bible makes it clear that there were other creator gods making their own offspring. Why do you think the first commandment was thou shalt have n0 other gods before me?
Yeah, if you want to phrase it like that, but so what? They wouldn’t have called it incest when there were only a few people on the entire Earth. We know it as incest today bc there are 8 billion people on the planet, so there are other options besides your immediate family with whom to procreate.
That’s why cancer exists.
Even if there were no Adam and no Eve if you just go back in time far enough there was some original DNA or RNA that EVERYTHING ELSE (dogs, humans, quinoa, EVERYTHING) descended from.
That was a long time ago, though.
More interesting to me is how similar people look to each other in different geographical pockets.
There’s no way for that to happen except for inbreeding. And it happened everywhere.
Adam and Eve (if there were actual individuals fitting their description) are so many generations removed from us that it’s almost no different no matter how far back you go.
The “strong genes” in certain communities, however, are sometimes now or only a few generations back for most of us.
There was not commercial flight and trains and automobiles for people to go around swapping genes until relatively recently.
As unmentionable as the behavior of seamen may have been back in the days of the wild crisscrossing of the oceans as the only way to get goods and armies back and forth, it’s worth thinking a bit about how useful those random injections of DNA here and there might have been.
Source: I’m listening to the audiobook of Moby Dick.
It’s not just their kids having sex with each other, and possibly the parents. It’s not just the Noah bottleneck of one family starting over. Eve would be essentially genetically identical to Adam. It’s incest all the way down.
Anyone who believes this crap must be inbred.
Yes. Now quit making it weird.
This one has always been funny to me. I grew up in a pretty normal church, but never bought into it and don’t participate as an adult. Any time I’d ask something like this it was met with immediate redirection. Sometimes you’d get the ‘it’s not a big deal, you can’t take it literally’ response. Lots of cherry picking going on when it comes to what to take literally and when. It’s a moving target, which is on purpose. I knew they were full of shit growing up and my belief in that has only deepened with time.
That’s how all the racial diversity came about.
Yes, that is the Christian belief as the Bible describes it. It’s not until Leviticus 18:6 that we see God forbidding further incest; “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord.”
The problem with incest is a genetic one, which God well understood. At creation, Adam and Eve had no genetic flaws or mutations. Thus incest would not be an issue. Increased risks driven by mutations resulted in God later forbidding the practice.
This article/video breaks down details well; https://www.gotquestions.org/incest-in-the-Bible.html
They didn’t.
I find that when looking at an “If/Then” statement where the “then” part doesn’t make sense; the disconnect is usually in the “If” part.
“If the then part leads to nonsense; then the If part is nonsense.”
You are the product of quite a few generations of inbreeding anyway. The human population got pretty low at one point. So, welcome to the adam and Eve club regardless
Don’t worry, Genesis makes mention of others outside the garden of Eden, possibly a population of ‘ also failed ‘ Adam and Eve’s and their offspring.
Yes. The amount of actual interbreeding that still happens accidentally is actually pretty wild. If you procreate with someone from your own ethnicity the chances go up. If it’s someone from your region, even more. And your own town, even higher odds.
Incest and interbreeding wasn’t a thing until God was like “okay, you guys gotta stop now. You’re getting too closely related lol” I don’t remember the verse exactly but I do remember that He said it. Source – ex-Christian.
Unknown. The Bible indirectly references other people during the time of Adam and Eve. But they are not really described.
God makes Adam, God makes Eve. Adam and Eve have their first two kids — Cain and Abel. Cain becomes jealous of Abel and murders him.
Now, God exiles Cain, and sends him into the East. Cain complains, and says “people will kill me!” Umm… who are you talking about Cain? It kinda sounds like there are only two people left, and both of them live right there next to Cain. His parents. So God gives Cain some kind of mark that warns others not to kill him. Cain goes into the East and has children of his own.
Adam and Eve have another son, Seth. Seth takes a wife and has more kids.
But who was Cain worried about murdering him? There have to be other people in the world during that time period who aren’t Adam and Eve. Are they other children of the first couple? Or were there other humans around? That question is not answered.
Shhhhh they don’t talk about that
Even science says we’re descendants of inbreeding as science can tell us when the last man and woman we were all descended from existed…
But from there we’ve diversified.
So yes according to the Bible inbreeding..
And according to science inbreeding…
But we survived it and managed to diversify and were mostly better now….
Biblically or not there’s definitely been confirmed bottlenecks of genealogy throughout history. The bubonic plague as one example and add that in with people like Genghis Kahn who had kids everywhere.
Well, not that I think the story of Adam and Eve is real, but I always interpreted it as a story about the beginning of Jewish people specifically. The Bible mentions people living in other places that weren’t descendants of Adam and Eve. There’s a whole genealogy thing in the following chapters laying out their descendants but it’s not inclusive of all people on earth. I’m not a biblical scholar though so people can feel free to correct me.
youre using logic and science. blasphemy!! to the stake with you! off with your head!
You have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, etc. You only have to go back 37 generations before you have over 130 billion direct ancestors, which is greater than what the total number of humans to have ever lived is thought to be. The only way it’s possible is we all have a lot of cousins mixing in our genetic pasts.
That’s where Maga came from
Fun thing to check out, google Adam and Eve art from antiquity and see how many depict them with belly buttons.
It would be..no it is so. We r brothers!
Those ppl who believe in this are degenerated, but hey they are our degenerated brothers and sisters
We’re already the products of incest and interbreeding, it’s just a question of degree.
First, not necessarily the only. Just because there were the first, doesn’t mean that God stopped. Their kiddos needed wives of their own.
Adam and Eve or evolution, take your pick, we’re all related.
Everyone in this thread is your distant cousin.
Even as a child in a Catholic elementary school I thought of this conundrum. There’s always some sort of divine reason around it.
Why do I have the Weird Al version of Compicated Song playing in my head now?
That is just one of many facts that religious people disregard when talking about the Bible.
Even without Adam and Eve….life almost certainly started with one single cell. So it’s pretty much certain we’re all descendants of years of incest and interbreeding.
It would certainly explain why as a species we seem to enjoy fucking everything up
Someone want to tell this guy about Noah?
Yes and so would every animal from the ark
Wouldnt be a problem in the Bible.
We do know that we all probably share a Genetic Mother but the Jury is out on the rest.
When I was a teenager, I asked my parents this question. I knew that a lot of the descendants of Adam led super long lives (hundreds of years). I asked, “is it possible that through inbreeding, their genetics kept deteriorating with each generation, which is why we’re lucky to live to 100 these days?”
My mom told me I was over-thinking my faith.
And I took that personally, lol.
Something to note: there are actually two creation stories in Genesis.
The first, God creates the universe first and man last. The second, he creates humans and then the world to keep the man company.
One is a derivative of the Babylonian creation story. And the “original sin” story with the snake is a direct repudiation of Marduk.
Assuming natural selection also took place, the surviving genes were chosen well.
That and also, who did their offspring then mate with? Their partners just showed up out of nowhere. Various Abarahamic religions then try to say that they married their sisters or others, nothing out of The Bible direct.
“In the story of Adam and Eve, their sons Cain and Abel are widely believed to have married their sisters. While the Bible doesn’t explicitly state this, it’s a common interpretation given the early population of Earth and the lack of other available women. Some interpretations, like those from the Jubilees 4, suggest Cain married his sister Awan. Other interpretations within the Muslim tradition propose various scenarios, including Abel marrying a hodi (a type of being) and Cain marrying a jinn (a supernatural being), or Eve having twins in each pregnancy, with Cain and Abel marrying their twin sisters.”
So in a nutshell its all utter horseshit.
Actually…
We kinda… Are…
I was wondering this a few days ago. If Adam & Eve were the fist humans, than wouldn’t we all be a product of incest of some degree
We are descendants of years of incest and interbreeding. If you do the math, we need a male and a female human being to be born. that means that for me there’s 2, for the 2 there’s 4, for the 4 there’s 8 and so on. If you continue to a few generations more, you get a number so high that exceeds the total population of the earth since humans existed. That only means one thing: We are descendants from a chain of incest that sometimes still goes to this day.
There needs to be at least 3 (jumps?) in our biological tree to have the possibility of having a child without any form of mutation or “bad development”. So it’s possible.
Plus, if you encounter someone from your same birth location and relatives with the same name, there’s a high chance that the two of you are related in 3 or more generations
Or they could have existed and not been the only two people at the time. They could have been two of hundreds of thousands and they are just the ones whose grandkids invented writing.
I got in trouble in Sunday school asking this question as a kid
That was the beginning of the end of religious “belief” for me
We all have a singular common ancestor. But luckily we don’t all have two singular common ancestors.
Hence how fucking stupid the Bible and religion is
Already multiple points of low population periods in the human race’s history. Strictly speaking in terms of genetic diversity — we’re all a little inbred.
I mean it makes for a great comedy film.
Honestly, everyone is descended from inbreeding and incest. It had to start somewhere. Plus, incest was only very uncomfortably recently socially unacceptable.
How did you think Alabama got it start?
We’re already the product of incest at some point. Trace back your family tree from thousands of years ago, not possible 2 different unrelated individuals meet for every single instance of a new child.
I’ve heard we are all 57th’s cousins. Not sure if I’m describing the relationships correctly.
Well the great flood killed everyone but Noah’s family so we’d all be inbred from there anyway.
It would explain a lot wouldn’t it?
Technically we’re all inbred from 2 lineages: first one was Adam and Eve, 2nd one was from Noah after the flood. The Bible loves inbreeding
This was the thing I asked the Priest the one time my Mom made me go to Church when I was like 9, and then never had to go again.
I play Banjo, so…
It’s a Jew thing.
Last I remember, official protestant (as far as anything can be considered official) view was that Adam and Eve were created perfect. And as they were perfect, no imperfections could be caused by the first several generations of inbreeding.
I mean…evolution also implies that you are the product of incest. Even if it’s not quite so thick a blood line, most human marriages were between cousins, and as humans were evolving from the last non human ancestor, they would have interbred quite a bit to keep the traits that caused us to be different (to simplify it, if suddenly 2/100 almost humans could suddenly sweat really well, they’d be the ones to live. And then they’d end up outbreeding the others. And then breeding with each other. So the gene pool would be greatly reduced.)
If Adam and eve were the only ones we would not have humanity cause they had 3 sons with no daughters.
Cain was said to have found a wife somehow soo it seens that there were tribes outside of Adam and eve somehow.
Also adam had other daughters and sons with Unnamed people suggest again other tribes.
Don’t forget that our dna would’ve been reduced again to one family after God flooded the world and left just Noah and his family
So the thing is that when cain killed able he was banished out to the world from this idyllic place they’d been living in to the open world of evil i guess – its all so crazy because eventually if he hadnt killed his brother then mom is tne only female & or the boys are gay 😆😀
Too many questions from the start ‼️‼️
If you accept Adam and Eve, you can also accept that God made them perfect / made sure incest wouldn’t be an issue.
I’m sure there’s a “Genetic flaws are the result of the sin of the world” argument out there somewhere
What do you think happened? 50 different humans appeared and provided a diverse gene pool?
The young earthers and such will tell you that since the human body was so close to perfect then that it didn’t matter if they were boinking brothers and mothers.
Naw…. Who was supposed to fuck his to next two children…
Never got a straight explanation for this. Other than there’s no way that’s what happened. If that doesn’t work for you, have you tried blind faith?with that type of thinking you can also believe in anything.
It would explain a lot.
Pretty sure there’s a tidbit that God just made more people to deal with that until the population reached sustainable numbers, but I’m not sure about the Biblical Adam and Eve.
You are all my family
Well eve came from adam. But no previous inbreeding. So you will be fine.
Don’t forget that all humans except for Noah’s family were exterminated, so we are actually a product of a lqter inbreeding