If Russia has free and fair elections (but everything else was the same), would they elect Putin?

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It has been argued that Trump, Musk, and the Project 2025 people all want the US to become more like Russia — an authoritarian state that ruthlessly suppresses dissent.

Naively, I thought that if Russia had free and fair elections they would toss Putin out. But seeing the US embrace the wannabe dictators makes me reevaluate. There is obviously a large segment of the voting population that is onboard with the vision of an authoritarian state.

Which leads me to the question about Russia. Putin obviously commits election tampering — but does he need to?

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    It has been argued that Trump, Musk, and the Project 2025 people all want the US to become more like Russia — an authoritarian state that ruthlessly suppresses dissent.

    Naively, I thought that if Russia had free and fair elections they would toss Putin out. But seeing the US embrace the wannabe dictators makes me reevaluate. There is obviously a large segment of the voting population that is onboard with the vision of an authoritarian state.

    Which leads me to the question about Russia. Putin obviously commits election tampering — but does he need to?

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  2. yankeeman320 Avatar

    He might. Propaganda is mighty strong there.

  3. Fluffy_While_7879 Avatar

    No. They would elect a much worse guy.

  4. FizzyBeverage Avatar

    Likely so. Many Russians support the motherfucker.

    You ask yourself “how?” And then remember 77 million support Donald Trump. Propaganda is a helluva drug.

  5. Delanorix Avatar

    Im not sure. He won with 88% of the vote last time and his opposition basically said to vote for Putin.

    So 12% of the population at least is anti Putin, probably a much higher number.

    I am guessing it would be close but it would depend on his opposition. If the opposition was Putin Lite, no.

  6. chinmakes5 Avatar

    As Putin controls the media, if you hear all day, every day how Putin in a hero, he is saving Russia from the Nazis in Ukraine, things may not be great but if it wasn’t for Putin, they would be controlled by Nazis.

    Never mind the fact that anyone who ran against him would be trashed by the media, portrayed as anti Russia.

  7. Idrinkbeereverywhere Avatar

    Years of brainwashing say yes. Look at the Trump cult.

  8. Odd-Principle8147 Avatar

    Probably. Russians seem to prefer autocracy.

    It does, however, seem that midnight is approaching…

  9. Particular_Dot_4041 Avatar

    At this point no. The government has passed some rather draconian laws against criticizing the government or the war in Ukraine, which is not something you would do if your policies were popular. It’s really hard to hide the costs of such a war.

  10. normalice0 Avatar

    No. I know people who lived in Russia. Remember all of the things Trump accused democrats of in 2020? He got every single accusation from what Putin actually does. Ballot dumps. Machine tampering. Bussing in foreign voters… Russia does all of that openly to make the point to the population that they are being strong armed and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it.

  11. MrDickford Avatar

    As a political science professor used to say, only an amateur rigs elections on election day. In Russia, the entire political system is configured to deliver a win for Putin without actually having to fix the vote, including:

    -Either state control or state-friendly (I.e., owned by people friendly to the Kremlin) control over the news;

    -Transferring many regional governing powers from elected governors to presidentially-appointed super governors;

    -Ending judicial independence so the judicial system can be used to punish political opponents;

    -Encouraging ubiquitous corruption so that anybody can be punished under the guise of an anti corruption crackdown;

    -Funding Kremlin-friendly “release valve” parties at the far left and far right extremes to take votes from more moderate parties.

    -Introducing prohibitively difficult administrative obstacles for people who want to register independent candidates or new parties

    As a result, it is extremely difficult for a potential competitor to even grow popular enough to represent a threat to Putin. Russia could have free, UN-monitored elections and they would still deliver the same results.

  12. highriskpomegranate Avatar

    Putin murders his opposition.

  13. Eric848448 Avatar

    Probably, yes.

  14. Spiel_Foss Avatar

    Putin thinks Putin would lose or he wouldn’t have spent 30 years corrupting elections and killing his opposition.

  15. Personage1 Avatar

    Something I think is relevant is what is meant by "free and fair elections." Like the top comment currently talks about propaganda, and several others all focus on Putin’s control of the media.

    That….doesn’t sound particularly free or fair to me. If there’s de jour free and fair elections but de facto unjust and unfair elections, then it doesn’t seem particularly honest to call it "free and fair."

  16. fox-mcleod Avatar

    Yeah. They would.

    Americans don’t understand that the core of what makes Russia is the propaganda. The same propaganda that decided the 2024 election.

    Suddenly cutting bait on Trump
    Would do exactly nothing to solve our problem. The problem is the information infection. Nothing will improve until we understand that we’re on the losing end of an information war we haven’t woken up to yet.

  17. tonydiethelm Avatar

    How would we know?

    1. We’re not Russians, we don’t know Russians, we don’t know Russia.
    2. It’s not like there’s fair election numbers we can look up.