Trashy people I know talk about Argentina with such respect. But when it comes to Brazil and Columbia, they make vulgar comments about the women and drone on about the crime rate etc. They’ve actually visited these places, so I dread to think how they behaved.
Even for the women, they talk about the beauty of Argentinians. But when it comes to Brazilians etc, they just descend into vulgarities.
*Colombia. Apologies.
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* Colombia. Sorry.
This should be in r/askaneuropean then
I don’t consider it racism.
Colombia, Brazil and Mexico are the drug route to the USA and EU, so they suffer much more from gang violence and this is reported in the news.
>Trashy people I know talk about Argentina with such respect.
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Bro I ain’t European. How should I know? A lot of how a country and people are viewed is often through the media they consume. It’s why Mexico despite not being the most dangerous, corrupt or poor country in the world or even the region is seen as an absolute shithole by the world; fucking Americans made us look really bad.
You are listening to the opinion of trashy people because…
From what I’ve seen, Colombia’s reputation has improved massively in Europe due to to the growing travel industry and social media. People still mention drugs/Pablo Escobar when mentioning Colombia, but now it is is not the only thing or even the first thing that is mentioned.
It’s Colombia, not Columbia.
Regarding your question, I don’t know, I’m not European.
Edit: OP has already issued an apology regarding their “Columbia” spelling.
I mean, Brazil and Colombia have or had a problem with drugs in levels that Argentina and Uruguay never get to have. The same when it comes to insecurity. Even if they are now better the image of a country takes time to change. I think this isnt due to racism but history tarnishing perception.
On the sex tourism part, i think that could come to racism but i dont know enough to really say anything about it. So dunno.
>They’ve actually visited these places, so I dread to think how they behaved.
well… it’s somewhat common in Brazil for foreigners to come just looking for sex. so there you have how they might have behaved. it’s even one of the reasons often mentioned as to why it’s a good idea to start asking for visas for some countries again.
I remember one instance some years ago that 2 guys, I think from Germany, got completely naked out of nowhere in public and they said they thought it was allowed.
Italian here
I think that Brazil and Colombia are more dangerous than Argentina and Uruguay, thats why some can see them through the prism of crimes and drugs.
But especially Brazil is very romanticized in my country, more than Argentina or Uruguay. Same thing with germans, they love Brazil.
About the sex part, Brazil and Colombia are associate with sex because girls are hotter and prettier there. People will hate on me and call me a sex tourist but thats the true.
Btw never heard anyone talking about “the beauty” of argentinas or uruguayas. They are just not known for that in Europe – wich is unfair because they are somehow cute.
I guess your post is not about Europe, but about Albania
Stereotypes often only allow to associate each country with 2-3 properties.
With that said Brasil and Colombia really are more violent. The murder rate in Argentina now isn’t even higher than in the US. In Uruguay it has gone up in the last years but still less than 1/2 of Brasil I think.
check the murder rates. and then come back.
Dude! It’s the same as northern Italy vs southern Italy… Or Western Europe against those in Eastern Europe.
Just stereotypes from the ignorants that others enjoy to believe. If you are well traveled you won’t fall for those labels. (I’ve been to Argentina, Brazil and ColOmbia)
Never heard of anything like that about Argentina and Uruguay in my life
What about us? Chileans, being a skinny country kind of left us out of everything
im not european but i love uruguay they are chill and they have quarteto de nos. i dont know how to feel about argentina i mean cordoba was nice but i dont like the racist argentines who deny that argentina has indigenous people and look down on countries more indigenous than them
In part because its true and another part because of what gets reported. I can say that at least for Brazil the news made by brazilians are overloaded with that, so its usually what gets picked up by foreign media, and becomes the image ofnthe country. Also, what is the most well known brazilian movie abroad ? That should tell you something.
As for Argentina and Uruguay, at least here in Brazil Uruguay is known to be a relatively peaceful and safe country, compared to Brazil anyway.
I’m pretty sure most europeans don’t even know we exists, and i’m glad cause once the nukes start rolling i’ll be watching from afar
In Italy Brasil isn’t seen as terribly, as many have relatives that went there looking for a better life. But it’s in the middle (perception wise). Colombia gets a lot of bad rap but honestly past decades image has gotten better
I mean, we are anything but perfect. The point is, do you like our country? lol seems like you don’t and are judging us.
For instance, I’ve no idea about Albania, I wouldn’t hate you though.
it is due lazy reporting and a media that only deal in the most basic things from each country. for example…
Japan – robots / sushi etc
Colombia – cocaine / crime etc
Brazil – favelas / crime etc
France – fashion / holidays / art etc
They selectively report on the stereotypes each national already has about each country. the treagt the public like idiots, and they do it consciously. they are warping your minds to benefit the interests which own the media. they do this in every country.
it is due lazy reporting and a media that only deal in the most basic things from each country. for example…
Japan – robots / sushi etc
Colombia – cocaine / crime etc
Brazil – favelas / crime etc
France – fashion / holidays / art etc
They selectively report on the stereotypes each national already has about each country. the treat the public like idiots, and they do it consciously. they are warping your minds to benefit the interests which own the media. they do this in every country.
Ngl, I feel this is mostly a bait thread
Hollywood in general
It’s what’s shown in media. Argentina and Uruguay I imagine are associated with football and strong European influence so I imagine many of you find that relatable. Brazil and Colombia are probably seen as too culturally “exotic” to you guys.
I mean, maybe it’s racist, maybe not, probably somewhere in the middle.
What does it matter in the end? Sticking a “racist or not” label on a viewpoint is hardly an interesting discussion, to me at least.
I mean maybe?
I can’t really say because, while true that we have a bigger drug problem than Argentina and Uruguay, and yes we are more dangerous generally. I can’t really say if these people have the same view as the averge eropean has of our country or if it’s only a “trashy, far right, european” would have, wich yeah in that case would be racism. The, they respect argentinan and uruguayan women more and say brazilians and colombians are vulgar, is 100% racism though.
Are you refering to Albania as you ask this? Or you mean other european countries?
Why people keep saying “columbia”? Colômbia in english is Columbia? I don’t get it
I don’t think it is racist, at least on the Colombian side.
We did have a serious drug cartel problem, which local people still seek to profit from, narco tours to the grave and to Escobar’s neighborhood are still very lucrative.
Not to mention how many novela’s have been made about the guy or other types of narco novels.
Argentina and Uruguay have never had a problem of such magnitude with that.
Argentina is associated with their natural landscape wine and food. Because honestly our culture/ cities are rather plain.
Brasil and colombia get that image because it exists. The death rate in Brasil per 100k habitant was like 30 people years ago. Argentina was like 5 people closer to some USA states.
Does saying good things about Argentina make you trashy people? I think the focus should be on people stereotyping Brazil and Colombia as dangerous hellholes, instead of people saying positive things about other Latam countries…
Not even gonna bother with a real reply when you really think the beauty of Argentinian women is more talked about than Brazilian ones. Are you for real?
Brazilian and Colombia are waaay more romanticized. Most Europeans just have a certain fascination with Buenos Aires but Argentina as a whole isn’t even known.
In the past century, Brazil tourism board used to promote sex tourism, stamping hot bums in travel posters.
In the other hand, Argentina was at some point a century ago the richest country on earth and is a more conservative country all around.
So it is understandable why European think Brazil for fooling around with the locals in Carnival, while Argentina as the place to take the wife for steak, wine and tango.
You know, to actually answer your question: Yes thats probably the reason to some degree
Because the difference is abysmal, may I guess? Crime here is kinda bad, specially considering how much “some” certain judges and politician love defending the “pibes chorros”, but as far as I know, they’re noobs compared to how organized they got in Colombia or how big in numbers and proportion they are in Brazil
Some of them are probably racists that bought the “Argentinians are all white” shit, others may be right wingers that loved that Milei was elected, other may just be people who generalize based on statistics, since the three countries with most homicide rate on latin America are Mexico, Brasil and Colombia, but to test if it’s that or racism, you may ask what they think about Bolivia, which is the country with the lowest rate of the region (with Argentina being the second, which speaks badly of the rest of the continent, since I wouldn’t say it’s low)
It’s just they have the image that Argentina is Buenos Aires City when you just have to go to any province to see Argentina can more… rural? I’m not sure what’s the appropriate word.
Oh also, no drug dealers associated massively with our country.
Maybe. Brazil is too idealized but in a way that is almost negative (“I want to go to Brazil to see women” is almost as if people say that). At least this happened to me in Spain: I told a woman who worked in a bar that I was Argentinean and she said “I don’t believe you. You’re probably Colombian, Argentines are much elegant!” I had long hair at the time and I was never the most concerned about appearances. But at least in Spain you feel the disdain against Colombians (I thought only I had that feeling). It’s not that they welcome Argentines with flowers, but they have a stereotypical image of us.
There are white people in both Colombia and Brazil so I don’t know what racism has anything to do with it. There are also crimes and issues with drug trafficking in Argentina/Uruguay like any other place in Latam.
Both Argentina and Uruguay may be the Latin American countries that tried to emulate Europe the most. That may play a role imo.
I don’t know why this post popped up on my feed, since I am from Finland and I hadn’t joined this subreddit, but I guess that means that I can answer your question. I don’t think people here distinguish Argentina and Uruguay from Brazil and Colombia in the manner that you have described. First of all, people here would probably struggle to even pinpoint Uruguay on a map. At least they know where Brazil and Colombia are. I don’t believe anybody thinks that Latin Americans are divided into different races based on their nationality, so I don’t know how racism would factor into this.
People here know that Latin Americans speak Spanish (sorry Brazil) and probably view you similarly to how Mexicans are depicted in American movies. That’s not to say that some people from here aren’t racist (they are), but they’re probably equally racist towards all people from Latin American countries. On average I would say more racist than we are towards the Swedes, but less racist than we are towards Arabs. Anyway, I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Also don’t take my comment too seriously.
Same happens here when they talk about Albania or some other Eastern European countries like Serbia, Bulgaria, Russia etc. They all think these countries are full of drunkards and depressed people and that Brazil is a much better place to live than any of them.
Western Europe (Portugal excluded) is a whole different story though.
Colombia*. Hard to break stereotypes if you don’t start with the name of the place
Yes, this is even in the usa… I have a cousin from argentina that was welcomed with open arms to my american family reunion despite being distant family! When I went we were shunned and did not meet hardly anyone like we were a secret!
I can understand where they’re coming from when it comes to crime and drugs, since Argentina and Uruguay are both leagues ahead of Brazil and Colombia when it comes to security in general. The Southern Cone is the safest region in LatAm.
That said, boy we are far from perfect lol. We are among the few countries in modern history that went from being developed to developing, and people consider it normal to have monthly inflation rates that other countries would have yearly.
It’s the wrong sub to ask. But I can give you point of view from my country France. No, it has nothing to do with racism. We don’t consider race like USA and most people won’t be able to make the difference between latin Americans from different countries because there are so few in France that we aren’t use to differenciate. Any latino may be romantized because it’s “exotic”: we don’t have many latinos immigrants, it’s far away countries and people imagine beautiful nature, nice music and good footbal. They would just be curious if they meet you.
Now, international news about Colombia are often about cartels. brazil about favelas. But Brazil also export music and football. Same with Argentina. So people have positive stereotypes. As for Uruguay, most don’t even know where it’s on a map so there is no stereotype.
I think your question is from a USA prism, not European one.
Because, and this may seem crazy to you, Europeans are not as cultured as they want to be seen. They do the same generalizations about the rest of the world as Americans do and this is one of those.
Colombia and Brazil = bitches and beaches because it’s hot
Argentina and Uruguay = European descent so they must be good
I think it’s due to statistics
I think it is partly a confirmation bias according to the international image of each country to which they have been exposed.
The international image of a country is influenced by many factors but it is also something difficult to change for example Colombia is still associated with the Medellin cartel and Pablo Escobar however the guy has been dead for 32 years and the country has changed radically for the better since then; or the opposite case as Argentina where the devaluation of the currency and the economic crisis have not managed to change much that historically has been perceived as a more cultured country, more organized with good sports and cultural representations at international level with soccer and tango. Obviously many people from the global north think that these national virtues are due to the fact that they perceive it as a society more similar to the European ones and therefore they behave more similar to how they would behave in their own countries.
From a more individual point of view, trashy people look for trashy places and other trashy people. Generally the tourist does not get to know a country in detail and the usual thing is that they know the tourist sites and the most beautiful parts of a country and therefore the perception they have of the country usually goes towards idealization, so when a person tells me that their experience in a country they visited for a short time was surrounded by poverty, prostitution, drugs or violence it makes me think that this is what they were looking for to experience there.
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Lmao what the comments in here are in denial or something but yes this seems racist. Europeans only like the whiter and more Europeanized countries than the mixed and black one.
Most of Europe doesn’t have an opinion on Uruguay, as outside of soccer, people don’t know much about it.
Our stereotype of Colombia is narco wars and rebellions
Brazil and Argentina dancing, passion and love
I wouldn’t know. How or why specific Europeans hold certain views is not for me to say. For some it’s probably racism or xenophobia, for others it might be word of mouth, or maybe they just interacted with The Eternaut which is popular on Netflix today and that skews their perception, since most foreign mentions, shows or media on Brazil and Colombia focuses on the crime in those places. Colombia’s biggest celebrity outside may we’ll be Pablo Escobar.
There’s an endless possible number of reasons why they may appreciate one set of countries and not the others. That’s probably a question better suited for an European question thread rather than one for Latin Americans.
Am I allowed to answer if I’m in the US?
Popular media here mostly shows Argentinians as light-skinned, more or less semi-noble ex-pat Spaniards.
Colombia is always shown dark-skinned and dressed modestly, doing agricultural work, praying, or getting arrested.
Brazil is dark-skinned and half naked.
Uruguay is never mentioned. We don’t know it exists. And if it does, we never hear of it because it isn’t developed yet — you know, no universities or infrastructure or stable government or livable incomes or internet, maybe even no running water.
The average American really doesn’t know much about anything latam outside Cancun.
Although the fact of these two early countries are whiter than the two latter ones could help with the perception of them being more “european”, there’s only thing that explain everything: crime.
Hell, even Rio de Janeiro with all their problems today, would occupy a far better position in the world if we weren’t bombarded with images in the local and global that made they look like a modern day Beiruth during the civil war. Most of the core of the city is very beautiful and traditional, and don’t look distant to its 50’s peak.
of course the situation in brasil and are not that bad as they make it seem but if you see the homicides per 100k argentina is suuuper low. And as a rio de janeiro lover I do know like 10 of my friends who have been robbed while on vacation while in rio 😭
I dont know I heard only but good things about Colombia from Germans and northen europeans for example.
Brazil is always a mixed bag of comments like, fun & dangerous place
Argentina the opinion I hear is very different depending on their political view, right wing they see Argentina as this economical.paradise were future is awaiting, left wing, like a distopian place with no solution.
I am not sure what kind of Europeans you have been talking with but I am not aware of people making systematically vulgar comments about Brazil which, after all, it is probably the most admired footballing nation in the world, everyone’s 2nd favourite (ok, there are some Argentina fans thanks to Leo). Obviously, people are aware of petty crime risk in Rio de Janeiro etc but nowadays the similar things happen in a lot Western European countries (Eastern Europe is much safer) so we have little reason to feel superior…
Most people know very little about Columbia, so little that they hardly can have an opinion. The same i would claim applies to Uruguay. Most people know Mexico, Brazil and Argentina. That’s about it.
It’s because of reality. Colombia and Brazil aree magnitudes more dangerous than Argentina and Brazil. It’s super common to go to Brazil for holidays and it’s kind of cliche for you to be robbed at gunpoint or have something sketchy happen to you. Colombia is kind of the same, foreigners get robbed so much is funny.
And women, truth he told it’s also right. Argentinian and Uruguayan women are notoriously difficult while Brazilians and Colombians are way more open towards sex.
Argentina is often mocked and attacked as if it were a second Venezuela and people were starving, yet according to the actual data it’s one of the top countries in the region for standard of living and economic conditions.
Historically it was the case that Colombia and Brazil were more crime ridden. Less no now, but Brazil still has some of the most unsafe cities in latam and even the world. It isn’t racism. It’s just reality. And Colombia did have the Medellin and Cali cartels.
I wouldn’t say Argentinians are seen as more beautiful. Colombians and Brazilians usually take that crown (along with Venezuelans). There’s a reason so many models come from Brazil.
Most common points mentioned from those countries:
Brazil: favelas and futbol
Argentina: futbol and Falkland/Malvinas
Colombia: Shakira and Pablo
unfortunately thats what is most visible outside, so people tend to extrapolate the bad and minimize the good.
Most of the movies that represent the countries also “help” spreading this.
Well, there’s a huge difference in culture and political stability (yes, even in Argentina) in Ar and Uy vs the rest of the continent. Those two countries are in a different class, with all their faults.
Sorry, I’ve never heard any Europeans speak ill of Brazilians or Colombians, and I’ve been to the continent 2 times. This seems like it might be a rather specific perspective.