My government has been yapping about uniting latinamerica against imperialism for 25 years, when really they just want to be the imperialists. Its just an ideology thing, no real effort has been made apart from funding with petrodollars a few leftie campaigns here and there. Orders come from Cuba.
It was state policy back when Venezuela was thriving 1920s-1980s, especially in the end of this period due to Bolivar’s (and several other heroes’) Bicentennial anniversary which were huge and lasted about 5 years.
However, castrochavismo’s false “bolivarianismo” gave what we call “panamericanism” or “Bolivar’s dream” such a bad rap (so many Latin American and Caribbean countries supported and celebrated the rape of Venezuela by Castro’s Cubans, their allied governments and criminal organizations), while our diaspora has also faced such a great hostilty in the region, that the whole idea is pretty much dead and buried. I see a future where Venezuela will be more like Chile, laser-focused on its own interests and f*ck anybody else, integration, solidarity, etc.
Only as a meme. Its not a serious position at all, at least not in my country. As a colombian it would be awesome, but Ecuadorians and Panamanians are generally less enthusiastic about the idea of coming back to us. I’m not sure about Venezuelans.
No, but I support Mercosur and all the integration and collaboration that we could achieve. No need to loose current states identity. We could be like the European Union from Temu, too bad the US will make sure that doesn’t happen.
There is a lot of talk. But all of us are extraction economies ( Except Mexico and Central America). So there is very little room for an internal market.
There isn’t a movement like Pan-Latinism, even more, we hate each other. The only two potential Latin American unions that might exist in a distant future would be the “Southern Cone” (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and maybe Paraguay) and “Gran Colombia” (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, and maybe Panama). However, to be honest, I don’t even see them as possibilities, at least not in the way the UK or the EU work. I see these regions more as culturally similar countries rather than unified political entities. It’s something like Eastern and Western Europe or Latin and Germanic Europe…
Anyway, the economic relations between countries in the region are slowly improving, and there are a few political ideas floating around, such as creating a common currency similar to the ‘euro’ in the EU to reduce dependence in other foreign currencies to trade between us. But there’s still far too much corruption and too many political differences across most countries for something like that to become a reality anytime soon. Even economic differences.
Also, you have to consider that our countries are huge, and there are a lot of cultural and educational differences between our countries (even within our countries). Just think that the distance between Iraq and Germany is only half of South America xd. Chile alone is 4500 km long (like from Lisboa to Moscow).
Finally, at least from Chile, I don’t see any real benefit in these unions to us. We have our own way of doing things, and it’s working very well for us. We aim to have good relations with our neighbors and every country in the globe while keeping our freedom to choose our own economic and political paths. We wouldn’t like to depend in others like MERCOSUR, much like Switzerland in the EU.
No, only hungry economists. As far as creating a large transnationalist entity, no. But there is a theory that broadreaching exclusivity agreements are good for the region and all involved.
Nope, both Bolívar and San Martín weren’t very fond of Brazil and its leader at the time, so their ideas never gained any traction here. Let’s not forget that we developed differently from Spanish America.
Well, our constitution states that the ultimate goal is to reunite the Federal Republic of Central America. While the idea is still widely accepted and the sentiment of patriotism and brotherhood remains, there is no active movement to make it happen anytime soon. SICA (Central American Integration System) tried to be something like that but it has remained mostly an economic and political cooperation organization rather than a true step toward reunification.
There’s a insignificantly miniscule “hispanist” movement in Chile that supports unification with hispanic southamerica, specially Argentina and Uruguay under the idea of a shared Spanish colonial heritage.
Panlatinism is probably the least mainstream idea in Chile, our relationship with our neighbors is cold at best.
No, we used to be part of a federation but we were worse off for it, today it’d be the same. It’d be getting forced to have an army again, less stable institutions and being joint at the hip with weaker economies for absolutely no benefit whatsoever, and where we’d get massively outvoted in any democratic process by being the least populated of the old FRCA nations
My country sort of tried that with Bolivia back in the 1870s, and it ended up with us roped into a war we had originally nothing to do about. A war we lost badly.
If I’m not misremembering, I think the idea was to create some sort of Andean supercountry along with Ecuador. Wise of them to reject us.
Not Latin American, but there’s a recent movement called Iberofonía which seeks to strength ties between not just all latin american countries (more precisely iberoamerican) but all Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries in the world. That would include, apart from Iberoamerica, Spain and Portugal, Iberoafrica (Angola, Mozambique, Cabo Verde, Guinea Ecuatorial…) and even regions in Asia like Timor-Leste.
For pan-latinism there is bolivarianismo, that is… controversial. Is reinterpretation of simon bolivar with a socialist take, so think more international solidarity and less reunification of gran-colombia. It is controversial because hugo chavez and maduro are proponent of bolivarianismo. Take what you want from it
Only progressive movements that appeal to Indigenism, Latinism, and Americanism. The problem is that, along with this, they seek to impede the economic development of the world, since improvements in the macroeconomy lead to improvements in the social sphere, demonstrating the obvious: left-wing and far-left systems will always use poverty as a weapon to subjugate peoples and sovereignty.
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What is Grand Columbia?
No. I don’t want to share economic policy with Argentina.
There is mercosur, but it’s not really an issue vote for or against
We were never part of Gran Colombia
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My government has been yapping about uniting latinamerica against imperialism for 25 years, when really they just want to be the imperialists. Its just an ideology thing, no real effort has been made apart from funding with petrodollars a few leftie campaigns here and there. Orders come from Cuba.
It was state policy back when Venezuela was thriving 1920s-1980s, especially in the end of this period due to Bolivar’s (and several other heroes’) Bicentennial anniversary which were huge and lasted about 5 years.
However, castrochavismo’s false “bolivarianismo” gave what we call “panamericanism” or “Bolivar’s dream” such a bad rap (so many Latin American and Caribbean countries supported and celebrated the rape of Venezuela by Castro’s Cubans, their allied governments and criminal organizations), while our diaspora has also faced such a great hostilty in the region, that the whole idea is pretty much dead and buried. I see a future where Venezuela will be more like Chile, laser-focused on its own interests and f*ck anybody else, integration, solidarity, etc.
Colômbia not Columbia. And no, I in Brazil, the only we already have the united portuguese states
No way
Only as a meme. Its not a serious position at all, at least not in my country. As a colombian it would be awesome, but Ecuadorians and Panamanians are generally less enthusiastic about the idea of coming back to us. I’m not sure about Venezuelans.
No, but I support Mercosur and all the integration and collaboration that we could achieve. No need to loose current states identity. We could be like the European Union from Temu, too bad the US will make sure that doesn’t happen.
I have a URSAL
There is a lot of talk. But all of us are extraction economies ( Except Mexico and Central America). So there is very little room for an internal market.
There isn’t a movement like Pan-Latinism, even more, we hate each other. The only two potential Latin American unions that might exist in a distant future would be the “Southern Cone” (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and maybe Paraguay) and “Gran Colombia” (Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, and maybe Panama). However, to be honest, I don’t even see them as possibilities, at least not in the way the UK or the EU work. I see these regions more as culturally similar countries rather than unified political entities. It’s something like Eastern and Western Europe or Latin and Germanic Europe…
Anyway, the economic relations between countries in the region are slowly improving, and there are a few political ideas floating around, such as creating a common currency similar to the ‘euro’ in the EU to reduce dependence in other foreign currencies to trade between us. But there’s still far too much corruption and too many political differences across most countries for something like that to become a reality anytime soon. Even economic differences.
Also, you have to consider that our countries are huge, and there are a lot of cultural and educational differences between our countries (even within our countries). Just think that the distance between Iraq and Germany is only half of South America xd. Chile alone is 4500 km long (like from Lisboa to Moscow).
Finally, at least from Chile, I don’t see any real benefit in these unions to us. We have our own way of doing things, and it’s working very well for us. We aim to have good relations with our neighbors and every country in the globe while keeping our freedom to choose our own economic and political paths. We wouldn’t like to depend in others like MERCOSUR, much like Switzerland in the EU.
No, only hungry economists. As far as creating a large transnationalist entity, no. But there is a theory that broadreaching exclusivity agreements are good for the region and all involved.
Nope, both Bolívar and San Martín weren’t very fond of Brazil and its leader at the time, so their ideas never gained any traction here. Let’s not forget that we developed differently from Spanish America.
No
No, but imagine how glorious it would be it Mercosul countries united
Well, our constitution states that the ultimate goal is to reunite the Federal Republic of Central America. While the idea is still widely accepted and the sentiment of patriotism and brotherhood remains, there is no active movement to make it happen anytime soon. SICA (Central American Integration System) tried to be something like that but it has remained mostly an economic and political cooperation organization rather than a true step toward reunification.
There’s a insignificantly miniscule “hispanist” movement in Chile that supports unification with hispanic southamerica, specially Argentina and Uruguay under the idea of a shared Spanish colonial heritage.
Panlatinism is probably the least mainstream idea in Chile, our relationship with our neighbors is cold at best.
Nah lol we even had a war with big Simon over it
No.
No, we used to be part of a federation but we were worse off for it, today it’d be the same. It’d be getting forced to have an army again, less stable institutions and being joint at the hip with weaker economies for absolutely no benefit whatsoever, and where we’d get massively outvoted in any democratic process by being the least populated of the old FRCA nations
Nope. Francoamerica is a different world.
>Columbia.
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My country sort of tried that with Bolivia back in the 1870s, and it ended up with us roped into a war we had originally nothing to do about. A war we lost badly.
If I’m not misremembering, I think the idea was to create some sort of Andean supercountry along with Ecuador. Wise of them to reject us.
Nah
Nope.
We tried, but it didn’t work.
We are fine now.
yes, we call it people with Down Syndrome
Not Latin American, but there’s a recent movement called Iberofonía which seeks to strength ties between not just all latin american countries (more precisely iberoamerican) but all Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries in the world. That would include, apart from Iberoamerica, Spain and Portugal, Iberoafrica (Angola, Mozambique, Cabo Verde, Guinea Ecuatorial…) and even regions in Asia like Timor-Leste.
For pan-latinism there is bolivarianismo, that is… controversial. Is reinterpretation of simon bolivar with a socialist take, so think more international solidarity and less reunification of gran-colombia. It is controversial because hugo chavez and maduro are proponent of bolivarianismo. Take what you want from it
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarianismo#Desde_el_socialismo
Only progressive movements that appeal to Indigenism, Latinism, and Americanism. The problem is that, along with this, they seek to impede the economic development of the world, since improvements in the macroeconomy lead to improvements in the social sphere, demonstrating the obvious: left-wing and far-left systems will always use poverty as a weapon to subjugate peoples and sovereignty.