Is this a political fight that Trump wants? And do you think he is intentionally defying judges in order to bait democrats to drawing more eyes to this?
Is this a political fight that Trump wants? And do you think he is intentionally defying judges in order to bait democrats to drawing more eyes to this?
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Is this a political fight that Trump wants? And do you think he is intentionally defying judges in order to bait democrats to drawing more eyes to this?
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He could have easily swept this under the rug if he wanted to by bringing the guy back (or preventing his deportation) as soon as the mistake was realized.
I think he wants to set precedent for deporting citizens. Pure nazi shit.
If I threaten your king, you must move it no matter what, even if that means you’ll lose a high-value piece next. There’s no universe where the better move is just to ignore this egregious human rights abuse.
This is like asking whether Bush was “baiting” Democrats by torturing alleged terrorists to death in CIA black sites or Egyptian prisons. The electoral politics are pretty much beside the point on matters of grave moral urgency.
What, like the Democrats got tricked into defending a citizens’ right to not get sent to a torture prison for life, without a hearing first? Like the goddamn Constitution requires?
Is that the gotcha moment, OP? Because I’m not seeing it.
No, I think they’re using it as a test case to see what they can get away with.
It will only escalate from here.
Same with the Mahmoud Khalil, Rumeysa Ozturk, Merwil Guttierez, and literally every other action the administration is taking.
No, in this case and in the case of Mahmoud Khalil they are testing the waters to figure out what they can get away with.
I do think there is a possibility that they’ve intentionally set up one or more cases where it looks like they are clearly overstepping, but they have evidence that is clear cut that the person is very dangerous. Then they wait for Democrats too try to intervene in that case and then spring a trap so it looks like Democrats are defending a murderer or a rapist or a terrorist.
But I don’t think that’s what’s happening in these cases
This isn’t Trump. This is people like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller seeing what they can get away with. As someone else put it, they’re the velociraptors testing out the electric fence.
I think he is intentionally defying the courts to undermine the principle of co-equal branches of government.
Donald Trump’s argument here is, essentially, that if the American government is able to remove someone from American soil, even if they flagrantly violate the law in doing so, then that person no longer has any rights under American law and is solely under the jurisdiction of the country they end up in. The desire to have that be affirmed seems to me to be the most likely goal.
No one should be confused about this: the identity of Garcia is effectively immaterial. Any assertions about who Garcia is or what he has done are distractions. This argument would apply to literally anyone. If Trump successfully moved an American citizen to El Salvador, there would be the exact same argument against his return: he’s now in El Salvador, not in America; hence there is no jurisdiction of any American authority. It would be a giant, fatal loophole in American law that would allow America to send literally anyone anywhere without any due process, as long as no one is able to physically stop them before it’s a fait accompli.
Nope. thats the college protestors.
No, citizens will next. “Homegrown”
I think Trump is being advised by Putin on the use of reflexive control to exact his desires. So yes, probably, but also what choice do we have.
I think it’s an example of playing smart. Everyone involved knows that what they’re trying to do is blatantly unconstitutional and highly immoral. If you ask the average person, in a vacuum, if this kind of behavior is acceptable without basic due process protections, they’ll say no, even if the person probably should be deported.
But you make the test case as toxic as possible so that it’s hard to explain and maybe you can win the public opinion battle, since you know that much of the public is poorly informed and, in many cases, ill-educated.
You get to say “we want to throw this gang member and terrorist out of the country because he’s a dangerous terrorist criminal… and the Democrats are saying he’s great and they want him back in Maryland!”
It’s like the old “I wanted to give you ice cream, but mom says you have to eat broccoli. Mom sucks, amirite?”
Yeah…not sure if it was on purpose, but Dems took it regardless. Dems are now defending an illegal immigrant with full due process who beats his wife(allegedly), and an MS13 member according to the DoJ and the El Salvadorian Gov….but ok run on that. Dems are at 21%…gonna get swept, but you do you, obviously you are just and correct and this is the correct path for the party.
No, it’s a test for moving on to deport American criminals. And then, making anyone who doesn’t support his agenda a terrorist.
“Don’t overreact!” you might think to yourself. “Sure it’s bad, but it’s not THAT bad. He’d never do that.”
Just listen to Sebastian Gorka, his terrorism Czar. He said it himself that anyone who opposes Trump’s immigration policy are aiding and abetting terrorists. You think they aren’t going to send immigration lawyers, teachers, doctors, and anyone else they can that they think leans a bit too left. Homan is the new Hoover. (J. Edgar. Trump is the new Herbert, just to be clear)
Yes, and…
Yes, but…
The chaos is a feature, not a bug. The more scandalous and discombobulating the better, but the action itself is intentional and purposeful in the pursuit of a specific goal.
Scaring a large portion of the population into submission is what every autocrat wants.
Dismantling any vestige of the legal system against them is what every autocrat needs.
Painting a picture, through propaganda, of strength and in the pursuit of a goal that his xenophobic followers believe in, is an autocratic dream all onto itself.
Don’t be distracted by it being a distraction. It serves a specific goal. And, as long as “nobody important” opposes it, the goals will be fulfilled.
It’s Republican representatives and senators who have to respond for this. Their silence and lack of a spine is what enables this behavior.
He’s using it as bait to trick them into screaming “what about due process!!?”.
To which he will soon reply “OK, fine, then those criminal offenders we already have in our overcrowded prisons? They went through due process, fair trial and sentencing, so you won’t mind me sending them away”.
And we fell right into it.
We need to stop understanding his team, they know how to control the narrative in their favor, we should expect and anticipate this kind of tricks.
No and I don’t care if he is
Maybe. If it turns out this guy is some secret monster then it might work for a day or two but the fact that he’s picking up people and disappearing them off the streets without any form of due process is something people can understand themselves.