I can’t believe there can be so many people that are transphobic, especially against trans women, and shamelessly transphobic. On YouTube videos about news of trans women getting assaulted and even murdered, I see lots of hurtful transphobic comments including laughs and misgendering rather than expressing sorrow for what happened to them. On Instagram, there’s also hurtful transphobic comments maliciously misgendering and making fun of the trans women getting hurt, like WTH!
While everyone has the right to have their own opinions, as a matter of fact, opposing human rights such as trans rights, is totally too much of injustice, especially for trans women that all they’re doing is living being themselves. Trans women are women just like cis women, which bigots refer them as “biological women”, are women, and they must be treated equally as cis women are treated. Same for trans men to be treated equally like cis men are treated.
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In the uk they are not.
The only requirement to be a trans woman is to be born male.
Okay I know I’m gonna get downvoted but you’re wrong.
Saying someone is a bigot for acknowledging that there is, in fact, a biological difference between trans women and women is insane.
Trans women are trans women and women are women, there’s no shame in admitting that.
Do I think a trans women (or trans man) deserves to be treated with the same respect and basic human decency as everyone else who is content with their biological sex? Of course I do, how is that even a question?
Trans people don’t deserve to be beaten or killed or treated like freaks, but at the same time there IS a biological difference between a trans woman/man and a biological woman/man.
In most cases that biological difference doesn’t matter, however there are places where it does matter and calling people who point this out bigots instead of trying to have an adult conversation about this is incredibly immature.
People tend to have hate for things they don’t understand or have no involvement with. Add to that the active campaign to scapegoat the trans community for all of society’s ails. And then on top of that add the deeply uncomfortable cognitive dissonance straight men feel when they are attracted to trans women and you’ve got a perfect storm for unbridled hate and violence.
It ain’t right, it’s targeting an already marginalized group, and it’s punching down. I am not here for it.
while i think people should be heavily punished for physically harming someone, i don’t support feeding into delusion. cant switch teams
No. Just. No. A trans woman is not the same and should never be treated the same as a woman. Have you not seen ANY of thr news articles where women are being severely and PERMANENTLY injured from a trans athlete? Some things there should always be a defining line between. This is one of them. Do they deserve equality? Sure. But not at the expense of women.
the comments proving your point
It sucks. I have family who are questioning their gender, and it would be so much easier on them if this whole climate of calling trans people ‘delusional’ and every other insult under the sun, would just die off.
Trans women and biological are not the same. What do you think will happen if a trans woman dates a male that’s attracted to biological woman, but hides the fact she’s trans then reveals this afterwards? Murder is high on that list.
I mean, supporting violence against women is a popular hobby with internet trolls. We’re so accustomed to the hate it becomes invisible in a way.
For the trolls, imagine a man wanting to become a sanctioned target like that. Crazy. And then the threat of the possibility that the object of abuse is a person, like oneself, guys surely have to double down on the cruelty to avoid feeling empathy.
It’s sad but being treated like shit by hateful people, used as a sex object at best, getting rape/death threats for showing up on the internet, is equal treatment as cis women.
Imagine framing the transphobia against trans women as rooted in the misogyny that it is. You would think it would bring women together. It should.
I’m just totally not even discussing this with people anymore. It’s tiring.
Me mock what we don’t understand.
I think trans people and cis people should be treated equally as human beings. But it is phrases like ‘trans women are just like cis women’ that turn people off. The two are not the same, if they were we wouldn’t have the term trans for starters. I am accepting of everyone and anyone, live life with a ‘you do you boo’ mentality BUT when you harp trans woman is the same as biological woman – I feel a little less accepting.
Imagine the people who don’t have the same accepting personality as I do. That’s who you’re talking about when you mention the transphobic, those that have assaulted trans people etc. What do you expect?
It would behove the trans population to be understanding of average joe. Why is it so important that average joe recognize you as what you are or want to be anyway? You will NEVER change some of these minds and you could have a shot at a peaceful life if you gave up trying. Just be. Just be trans. I believe that most of the rhetoric from the ‘transphobic’ is in response to your own.
‘I was born a man, but felt as though I was a woman, so I’ve decided to live my life as the latter. I recognize that I was not born with all the things that make up a woman but I’m happier living as if I were. I appreciate the differences between myself and a biological woman and I’m grateful to be accepted by the pack.’
We would accept you. That message is as real as it gets. It’s been happening for a long time. I have a trans friend who has quietly been living as a woman for more than 50 years!!! They do not experience the same backlash and trauma as those going through these changes today because it was kept personal. What is wrong with that? Arguably they have a better life. Why is it so important to be seen by others as something? It only puts undo pressure on the people in your life because you make them feel like they are the problem when really it’s you.
Trying to convince a biological woman that you are the same as her in every way is patronizing at the very least and well, pretty darn disrespectful actually.
It’s honestly really hurtful. I try to be tough and let it roll off my back, but some days it feels like the whole world hates me.
I’m shameless about it. It’s directly correlated to a diagnosable mental illness. I have a mental illness, too. My PTSD makes me believe that anytime I’m at the top of stairs, I will somehow be pushed down them, resulting in a major injury. Now, try to breathe life into that delusion. Instead of telling me the truth that nothing will happen, I’m told it is going to happen? I chose to follow truth in my recovery, as it benefits me the absolute most everytime. Some people say, oh they just dont understand. Uhh, I understand and have concluded that most “trans” people enjoy their pain and attention too much to ever seek a meaningful recovery.
If I identify as a dog and want to stay in doggy daycare all day, I should be allowed to do that or else you’re a bigot right?
That’s the trans nonsense logic, living in their own delusional reality that they’re something they’re not
i wouldn’t come here to talk about these things if i’m being real with you. some terfy comments in here. i get what you are saying.
This comment section is an example of the genuine points to something that OP never said otherwise to generalizations and misinformation to literal transphobia.
We start with “you know, trans woman are not biologically the same as trans woman” which is true, biologically they are not the same. The thing is, to my knowledge, OP didn’t said that they were. The closest thing that they said is “Trans women are women just like cis women” and “they must be treated equally as cis women are treated”. But, again, they never said they were biologically the same. Also, this comments always seem like ofuscation to me. To avoid answering the rest of the post and the actual point being made.
Then we go to trans sports because of course. Just like the previous point, they do have a point here too. The biological differences can indeed matter here. But now we start with exaggerations apperantly claiming that not only trans woman are competing unfarily but also that (cis) women are being severely and PERMANENTLY injured from them too. Citing no sources but saying that there are a lot of articles about it apperantly. Also, fun fact, OP never mentioned anything about sports either. Just how people are hating on trans people a lot.
And then the last comment that I saw scrolling down went full transphobic, calling trans people “delusional” and how you can’t “switch teams”.
This very comment section proved OP’s point. And, of course, people said all of this before even trying to unpack the actual point OP said about “YouTube videos about news of trans women getting assaulted and even murdered, I see lots of hurtful transphobic comments including laughs and misgendering rather than expressing sorrow for what happened to them” or “urtful transphobic comments maliciously misgendering and making fun of the trans women getting hurt”.
People don’t seem to realize Nazis started with trans people
It’s obviously easier said than done but if it’s “only” on the internet (which seems to be the case unless i misread your post), you could ignore those comments, or not look at them in the first place. Not saying it’s your fault by any means, but sadly the internet is this very brutal place where people don’t give a shit about being rude, especially since it often is celebrated by other users who all think this is a funny joke. Unless a big global change of mind happens, it’s probably gonna stay that way.
Transphobia is unavoidable for many reasons:
Trans people are a very small minority group receiving overwhelming media attention (positive and negative) making them a target.
Being trans requires body augmentation and hormone therapy that is expensive, dangerous and can be harmful long term to the body. This is counterintuitive compared to the goal of other life long medical treatments. (Difficult for the general population and parents to understand)
Religious extremism under capitalism requires adherence to traditional family models (and the right is gaining popularity).
Men are inherently more dangerous to women and having a lack of binary safeguards can be used as a tool to scare people.
Men identifying as women will be targeted and treated like women. Women identifying as men will be treated like women.
With all this said, I also believe there is a fundamental discussion problem addressing the trans-community acceptance issue. Being trans is different to being gay, because it requires to some extent a medical transition. This is difficult for many to understand particularly in the context of minors. If any criticism is taken as “being transphobic,” you are going to have a lot of people who fall into that label. The over representation of trans people in media compared to the trans population may not be helpful to gain radical acceptance. Trans tolerance should be the be the benchmark.
İf you are not live in America or Europe, being disgusted with trans people is a natural part of life.
Maybe I’m ignorant, which I apologize for, but can someone tell me what rights have been taken away?
No I’m not trying to be condescending, or a dick, I’m truly curious.
It’s scary. Truly. This is the first time in my life I’ve felt awful about being trans. I’ve been out as a trans man since I was 14, 9 years ago, and started hormones fairly recently. In most of those 9 years, I’ve never had to deal with blatant transphobia. I come from a rural town in my country, and most people didn’t know what being trans was. But after explaining it to my peers and being open and patient with them, most people accepted it and moved on, it was rarely brought up, and I never felt unsafe. last week, I was openly called slurs on a bus by strangers for the first time in my life. Browsing the internet, even on subreddits or in communities I think are safe, I’ll see transphobia the minute anything slightly trans leaning is mentioned. People are spouting so much about how scary trans women are and how they’re invading woman’s spaces, but do you really see this happening YOURSELF irl? I know many trans people, and I certainly haven’t. I feel grateful that trans men are hardly brought up. Every trans person I know just wants to live a normal life. Many of us were doing so perfectly fine until this recent surge of transphobia. I truly hope we get our little bubble back so I don’t have to fear being yelled at on the streets anymore.
There was a discussion a while back about cis women not wanting trans women in a women-only gym. The transphobia in the comments was SO alarming. I couldn’t believe what some of those women were saying. And they claim to be feminists…
Those of us who are genuinely horrified at the happenings in the world currently, concerning our trans and non binary brethren, we need to be vocal about it. Our voices might be quiet and drowned out by bigotry, but we must scream as loud as we can. You are all safe with me, I am 41, menopausal, and fed up of the hatred and bigotry surrounding me. I will fight viciously to protect and defend my trans friends and family. I will not be silenced, and I have a fucking army of equally menopausal and fucked off cis-women backing me up on this.
To every trans and NB person reading this: you are my family, you are my loved ones, and I will raise hell for you, and your safety.