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they do with absolutes , because what they seek is always more and more power for it’s own sake. So their reasoning starts flexible , but deep down is to gain power and imposing their will on others.
Obi Wan just wanted to get busy on Anakin; was the first thing he could think to say. For real though nah, they’ll say & do anything to advance their position & power.
Sith are flexible in their methods & morality, but they are absolute in their pursuit of power- they see everything in the world as either a tool or obstacle along that path.
they can appear morally grey, because they may ally themselves with good people, provide valuable insights, or even do good things from time to time. however, they will only ever do these things when it benefits their goals, which are always oriented around power.
As a response to Anakin saying “You are either with me, or you are my enemy”, Obi-Wan’s response is pretty reasonable.
“I will do what I must” means that Obi-Wan will do what he can to get Anakin to back down and not fight him, which he tries. When that fails, then he fights.
Their goals, motivations, morality, and general way of thinking is black and white: “I want power, for myself, at any cost.”
They are clever and willing to be flexible in how they achieve those goals, whether it be through direct force or through manipulation of others. But don’t mistake that for them being ethically nuanced.
Sidious doesn’t play the feeble, bleeding heart politician role because he believes in the ideals of the Republic that he’s representing; he was merely gaining sympathy and the necessary power to become emperor.
“Only a Sith deals in absolutes” is in response to Anakin’s phrase “If you are not with me, then you are my enemy.” That is a very Sith mindset. That is how Sith see people, they’re either with them or in their way and therefore an enemy that needs to be slaughtered.
“only a sith deals in absolutes” is not some ultimate jedi hypocritical wisdom that makes Obiwan and jedi look like idiots for believing in an absolute thus being sith. It’s a statement made by Obiwan in response to Anakin’s new sithlike views, he’s basically saying “only a sith would think like that. I must stop you” he’s saying it to convince himself that he has no choice but to slay his brother
Suppose that, through some miracle of genetic mutation, one in one million babies is born with super powers. And of those, perhaps a fraction of a percent will figure out how to use them.
The powers include “impossible strength and speed”, “crushing someone’s aorta at range”, “summoning lightning”, and most interesting of all “clouding the mind”.
I suggest to you that there are only two likely responses that a major civilization will have to this discovery. Either they will:
Institute a government-backed organization to identify those children at a young age, and put them in a training program to make sure that their skills are refined, monitored, and yoked for the social good, or
Murder them. And quickly, before they learn how to use their powers to escape and become impossibly powerful assassins, criminals, or tyrants.
So what are the Sith? The Sith are the ones that got away. What they seek is freedom: freedom to use the Force as they see fit. Freedom to dominate others, if they wish. Make money, if they wish. Crush star systems, if they wish. Rule the galaxy, if they wish.
> Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
> Through Passion, I gain Strength.
> Through Strength, I gain Power.
> Through Power, I gain Victory.
> Through Victory my chains are Broken.
> The Force shall free me.
The absolute the Sith seek is freedom, without limits, without compromise, and without the interference of the Jedi so-called moral code and the government that backs them. Absolute freedom to exercise their powers to the fullest, without being yoked to public service.
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“only a sith deals in absolutes” is a very absolute statement, and it does seem like you only ever see Jedi talking like that.
they do with absolutes , because what they seek is always more and more power for it’s own sake. So their reasoning starts flexible , but deep down is to gain power and imposing their will on others.
Sound like Jedi propaganda.
Obi Wan just wanted to get busy on Anakin; was the first thing he could think to say. For real though nah, they’ll say & do anything to advance their position & power.
Sith are flexible in their methods & morality, but they are absolute in their pursuit of power- they see everything in the world as either a tool or obstacle along that path.
they can appear morally grey, because they may ally themselves with good people, provide valuable insights, or even do good things from time to time. however, they will only ever do these things when it benefits their goals, which are always oriented around power.
As a response to Anakin saying “You are either with me, or you are my enemy”, Obi-Wan’s response is pretty reasonable.
“I will do what I must” means that Obi-Wan will do what he can to get Anakin to back down and not fight him, which he tries. When that fails, then he fights.
Their goals, motivations, morality, and general way of thinking is black and white: “I want power, for myself, at any cost.”
They are clever and willing to be flexible in how they achieve those goals, whether it be through direct force or through manipulation of others. But don’t mistake that for them being ethically nuanced.
Sidious doesn’t play the feeble, bleeding heart politician role because he believes in the ideals of the Republic that he’s representing; he was merely gaining sympathy and the necessary power to become emperor.
“Only a Sith deals in absolutes” is in response to Anakin’s phrase “If you are not with me, then you are my enemy.” That is a very Sith mindset. That is how Sith see people, they’re either with them or in their way and therefore an enemy that needs to be slaughtered.
“only a sith deals in absolutes” is not some ultimate jedi hypocritical wisdom that makes Obiwan and jedi look like idiots for believing in an absolute thus being sith. It’s a statement made by Obiwan in response to Anakin’s new sithlike views, he’s basically saying “only a sith would think like that. I must stop you” he’s saying it to convince himself that he has no choice but to slay his brother
Let’s take a step back, my inquisitive friend.
Suppose that, through some miracle of genetic mutation, one in one million babies is born with super powers. And of those, perhaps a fraction of a percent will figure out how to use them.
The powers include “impossible strength and speed”, “crushing someone’s aorta at range”, “summoning lightning”, and most interesting of all “clouding the mind”.
I suggest to you that there are only two likely responses that a major civilization will have to this discovery. Either they will:
Institute a government-backed organization to identify those children at a young age, and put them in a training program to make sure that their skills are refined, monitored, and yoked for the social good, or
Murder them. And quickly, before they learn how to use their powers to escape and become impossibly powerful assassins, criminals, or tyrants.
So what are the Sith? The Sith are the ones that got away. What they seek is freedom: freedom to use the Force as they see fit. Freedom to dominate others, if they wish. Make money, if they wish. Crush star systems, if they wish. Rule the galaxy, if they wish.
> Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
> Through Passion, I gain Strength.
> Through Strength, I gain Power.
> Through Power, I gain Victory.
> Through Victory my chains are Broken.
> The Force shall free me.
The absolute the Sith seek is freedom, without limits, without compromise, and without the interference of the Jedi so-called moral code and the government that backs them. Absolute freedom to exercise their powers to the fullest, without being yoked to public service.