[Star Wars] If Palpatine survived the explosion of the Death Star, does it mean Anakin was not the Chosen One, did not bring balance to the Force and sacrificed his life for no reason?
[Star Wars] If Palpatine survived the explosion of the Death Star, does it mean Anakin was not the Chosen One, did not bring balance to the Force and sacrificed his life for no reason?
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Pretty much. It appears everyone was wrong about the whole Chosen one thing.
It turns out that everything the heros did was rather pointless and at best Anakie role was to make a baby that would kind of half teach the one destined to destroy Palpatine
I kinda always felt like the prophecy was actually shockingly literal. Anakin brought Luke and Leia into the world, and through the Skywalker lineage, brought balance to the force.
If Anakin and Padme don’t hide the lightsaber, Palpatine doesn’t get stopped in RoJ or RoS.
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Survive is….perhaps a bit strong for what happened with Palpatine. His body was destroyed but Palpatine essentialy ‘cheated’ the prophecy by managing to escape from his body in an an unnatural, even for the Dark Side, perversion of the Force that even the Force itself could be forgiven for not seeing coming.
Anakin says to Rey “Bring balance just as I did” in Episode 9 so its more like Anakin did bring balance but it was eventually undone until Rey balanced it again.
Unpopular opinion (since others are saying yes), but I’m going to say no.
He did bring balance to the force, but the prophecy didn’t say for how long. In the Rise of Skywalker, you can hear Anakin say to Rey “bring balance back to the force, as I did.”
This is why I don’t agree with the whole “killing Palpatine” = the end of the Sith and happily ever after. It doesn’t make any sense. The Sith and Jedi have existed for thousands of years. Anakin was conceived through the force, and per the Mortis Arc, was supposed to become the heir to the Father of the force. In likelihood, he’d control the Daughter and the Son to maintain balance. Of course, Anakin didn’t take the mantle, but that never dispelled his opportunity to achieve a force balance. Heck, even bringing down the Jedi Order and converting the Republic into the Empire didn’t render his prophetic goal an impossibility.
The ideal Chosen One; the one that Anakin never became could’ve brought balance for a longer time, but even in spite of his failings, he still managed to achieve a balance. Think about it like this too: there still managed to be a sufficient balance despite only several Jedi being alive by the end of the Galactic Civil War. If anything, it’s a miracle it lasted for as long as it did.
Palpatine didn’t survive the explosion of the Death Star. There’s some comics or EU stuff that take place after the last episode but they dont’ count.
While it might be debated by some, Anakin was in fact not the chosen one. He failed to bring balance to the force. Rey was the chosen one and finally brought balance to the force.
If something happens later, does that invalidate they all live happily ever after?
Regardless of palps survived then or not is irrelevant to the idea that Anakin sacrificed his life for nothing. He sacrificed himself to save Luke, save his family, and save the (only) Jedi. If Anakin waited till Palpatine fried Luke to well done, then put his lightsaber through him, it would have “technically” fulfilled the prophecy. But I don’t think anyone would have considered that a true redemption.
But yeah puts a big hole in the prophecy. Unless you consider palpatines undeath as not counting to the existence of Sith and an imbalance in the force.
Sigh (this is head canon for the sake of enjoying SW)
No
Palpatine was dead- but this is his cloned body/leftover essence from his experimentations
He died
Anakin did bring balance to the force- jedi had over stepped their bounds/ Sith were poised to take GENERATIONAL power- balance was made
The same way some remnants of dead empires have to be put out like embers of a flame is the same as palpatine and what he left behind
If you dont kill the small evil it can grow again and take over in some small years and then everything is fucked again
Rise of Sky to me is kinda some ghostbusters situation
Yes, from a certain point of view.
He brought balance for a time and full filled the prophecy. It didn’t say he was going to bring perfect balance for all time in the galaxy
The easiest handwave is that bringing balance doesn’t mean it stays balanced forever. It was balanced in that moment, and that is enough to fulfill the prophecy. If balance is the natural state, one would assume it was balanced at some point before, became unbalanced, and the same can happen again.
Isn’t the prophecy a load of nonsense anyway? Anakin may have fired the gun but it’s Luke who loads and points it.
Saying Anakin’s sacrifice was pointless is pushing it. If Palpatine lives then Luke dies, the empire likely doesn’t fracture and then the rebel alliance probably loses the GCW. He at a minimum saved the galaxy
We don’t actually know the full prophecy. They just mention that exists and that bringing balance to the Force is part of it. For all we know that could mean “wipe out the Sith for like thirty years I guess” or “bring literal balance to the Force by making the number of Sith and Jedi equal” or “invent the Galaxy’s greatest blue milkshake” or anything in between. Our only source on the prophecy is a few Jedi, who, needless to say, are not impartial.
Just because the Force was balanced, doesn’t mean it can’t be unbalanced later, if indeed it was. What exactly “balance” means in relation to the Force is pretty vague.
But regardless, Anakin didn’t sacrifice his life for no reason. He did it to save Luke. Bringing balance to the Force and fulfilling a prophecy had nothing to do with it. He just didn’t want his son to die, and preventing that killed him.
The prophecy itself is highly ambiguous and it’s implied by Revenge of the Sith that the prophecy actually referred to Luke, not Anakin. Balance was brought to the force with Anakin and Luke’s actions in RotJ, that much doesn’t change whether Palpatine lives or not. But also, he doesn’t really “survive”.
TBF his soul alongside the rest of the Jedi’s souls helped Rey kill Sidious TROS so I’d say he still counts on those grounds alone
I always felt like the whole thousands of Jedi and one two sith was the unbalance.
By killing the younglings the balance was finally achieved.
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Yes. Either the prophecy is wrong (Anakin didn’t bring balance to the Force and is confused/mistaken when the tells Rey he did so; Word of God can’t overrule what’s show on the screen) or the prophecy is worthless (Anakin did bring balance to the Force, which lasted for a meager two decades).
So basically: the prophecy is pointless and it doesn’t matter if he or wasn’t the chosen one.
Yes and no.
Through his sacrifice on the Second Death Star, the Galaxy’s two great Sith Lords were destroyed, and Palpatine was put out of action for decades.
Anakins actions in having a family also, in time, brought balance as his descendants would destroy Palpatine for good.
And given the weakened state Palpatine existed in after the destruction of his original body, with the clones made to host his spirit all decaying rapidly from the darkness within, Vader crippled the Emperor beyond recovery by destroying that original form.
But, then again, he did not directly destroy the Sith, and as prophecies are unreliable anyway, its up to you to decide if sacrificing himself to save his son and defeat the master who had enslaved him was not a good enough reason.
Vaders actions and life were crucial in ensuring that Darkness would someday be vanquished. But his direct actions were only a step on that path, in both legends and canon, and not the final stop on the road to achieving true balance
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Countertake: He did bring balance to the force, by killing all the Jedi. Now instead of 500 Jedi to 2 Sith it’s functionally 2 to 2. That’s balance
Anakin was the chosen one and he brought balance to the force by wiping out the Jedi order so that it like the Sith would be One Master/One Apprentice.
Honestly. Yeah. That’s a big reason the sequels suck ass