Sorry, I guess? That my local supermarket doesn’t sell cured pork cheek from the year 1972. My spaghetti in egg yolk will be wholly disgusting now, because I didn’t follow the fabled recipe of your late Nonna. Yes, I know she’s turning in her grave, Dominic from Brooklyn.
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Wait til the right wing Italians find out about it’s Arab / Asian origins
Real Italians can’t even agree on the recipe for carbonara, so you’re always going to offend someone.
One of my friends lived with an Italian student. ‘Traditional’ Italian was really some of the simplest recipes you could find. Just need fresh ingredients and herbs and you could make some fine dishes.
We don’t think about you at all.
I mean, you can cook your pasta dish whatever way you like. Nobody has any kind of problem with that. But don’t call it a certain name, when it’s just not. Like, don’t call it an apple pie, when you made it with pears.
Isn’t every nationality with a cultural dish like this though?
There’s something to be said for authentic recipes, but at the same time, I think one should be able to experiment with flavours and ingredients. I don’t like people being super-snobbish and gatekeepy.
I hate when people insist pasta should be al dente .. but funnily enough I never actually ate hard pasta in Italy one single time. Because actual restaurants serve fresh pasta which only needs a couple of minutes cooking & doesn’t have the hardness of dry box pasta to begin with
All the pasta i ever had anywhere in Italy has been adequately soft for my German tastebuds
This doesn’t really exist in real life, your reference appears to be short clips from social media.
I am italian and I am a cooking enthusiast, I also have a family recipes book that I treasure like it was a piece of my soul. This said, as soon as you don’t force me to eat it, you can cook your own version of traditional italian dishes as you want. I don’t even care if you call it “authentic” when it is clearly not. You do you.
The Italians who cry over food are boomers and the ragebait accounts who want to become influencer
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Why hasn’t this sub banned pasta posts yet?
Italians gatekeeping carbonara like it’s a Vatican secret file. Bro I’m just trying to survive on boxed pasta and vibes
Tbh, having went to Italy few months ago, I found their pastas a bit… underwhelming
I found a lot of other dishes to be better
Most Italian food ‘traditions’ are post-ww2 inventions, a lot of it invented by Americans. The earliest carbonara recipe dates to New York or Italy, but using American soldier rations. Source – Delizia (book/tv show)
I’m Italian
Cook the pasta the way you want,break it if you like
I could care less
You pay for your food and you cook it the way you like it
The only thing is,if you do not have the actual ingredients necessary for the thing you want to make
You cannot make that dish(Italian or not)
If you invite me over to eat pasta carbonara and when I come it has bacon and garlic I will be a little upset
Not because you offended me by putting garlic on a carbonara,but because I expected a carbonara
New Yorker here, listening to ‘Italians’ (real and perceived) seethe about food constantly and always finding a reason to be mad about food or something somebody is doing with food as their “culture” is genuine rage bait
And a lot of the people that do that can’t even cook, they just complain about everything as a sport
I remember showing some Italians one of my fave childhood dishes…. strawberry pasta! The disgust and confusion on their faces xD
My mom is Polish and it was something people ate when she was growing up. It was cheap and easy. Some think it’s gross, but to me it’s literally the same as eating strawberry pierogi. My husband was iffy until he tried it and to him it’s like a weird deconstructed strawberry cake.
For those interested :
boil pasta
in seperate pot heat up strawberries until they are soft and there’s lots of juice
put pasta on plate, then put sour cream/Greek yoghurt on top, and then add the delicious strawberriy sauce.
As a kid I also liked to sprinkle sugar on top
I grew up in Brooklyn sheepshead bay and Bensonhurst in the 90s and early 2000s and my favorite way to troll “Italians” who spoke with that thick fucking accent, Italian flags plastered all over and all that shit. Just ask were they were born, were they’re parents were born and 90% of the time it’s Coney Island hospital. Then proceed to correct them that they’re American with Italian heritage and not Italian. They get so fucking mad
Carbonara is likely a dish Italians created to suit the tastes of American GIs there in the 40s. It uses ingredients that were available in post war Italy. Pancetta or Bacon are suitable replacements even according to most Italians. This is according to food historians. You would be surprised how many “authentic” dishes are only 50-70 years old.
Meanwhile Eastern Europe – pasta with sugar and strawberries and poppy seeds and whatever the f I want, what you’re gonna do about it
Nothings wrong with your pasta dish, just don’t call it something it’s not. Not that complicated. Too many people sub out half the ingredients and change the cooking technique and at that point it is not the same recipe. If you make a sauce with mushrooms and cream or something and call it a carbonara naturally you will get laughed at by anyone who knows what the actual recipe is.
It will never cease to amaze me how you all don’t know how to cook pasta and get upset if we tell you you don’t know how to cook pasta.
A good friend of mine is Neopolitan, and I sometimes stay with his parents when I visit, even when he’s not there. The mom told me to go to a place, and get an eggplant parm sandwich. She said ‘it’s not traditional, but it is the best sandwich in the world for packing for a day of hiking. She said – they’ll give you a hard time, but tell them that -mom’s name- told them to make it her way.
when other cultures are proud of their culture: 😁
when italians are proud of their culture: 😡
I can understand that to some extent, but when it comes to food, many people are strange. Americans also think that their weird dough-based dishes, where they dump loads of greasy “cheese” And Tons of fatty meat on top, are pizza. That just has nothing to do with pizza.
And spaghetti doesn’t taste worse if you break it. The only thing that does is make cooking and eating it easier.
When the fuck did people decide that Italian cuisine must be this high end exceptional thing that all the world must comment on and bitch about. Dude look, Italian food was invented by Italians for Italians, because we like to eat well and historically we were very fucking hungry very often, because we were poor. Italian food is based on simple ingredients, simple preparations, and filling your belly without spending much. We used to be proud of how simple but good our stuff was. Making you pay 15-20 bucks for a plate of pasta is bullshit and borderline insulting, It’s not that nonna used the 1972 ham because she was a 5 star chef, it’s because that’s what we have around here. So I mean, eat whatever you want, nobody is going to come to your home and bitch about the right eggs or pasta or whatnot, but please ignore the recent trend like youtubers and shit like that. It’s all fake, average Italians are concerned about eating well and literally “looking in their plate” how we say here. Nobody is judging you.
Ok, but now go to Texas and do barbeque wrong.
Italy is a hyper local place to the point that the “right way” to cook a dish may depend on exactly where the person you are talking to is from. Towns that are only 10 miles apart will prepare dishes with subtle variations and have their own pastry that they are known for.
I don’t care who it is. If you were to tell me taking flour and eggs, rolling that out into a dough and cooking it is the height of cuisine. I would think you are insane.
You can cook whatever the hell you want, but what’s pissing everyone off is americans claiming that it’s “authentic italian cuisine” and then talking about how they “actually are italian”. no, you are american. call whatever you’re cooking american pasta and everyone will be happy.
I don’t have a single bit of Italian heritage, but I will say: Alfredo and Cabonara are just better without heavy cream.
Heavy cream is a short cut. If you can’t make a proper emulsification, heavy cream will thicken your sauce, but the authentic version just tastes better.
All this from a slice of gabagool?
I like the way Japanese treat any country’s food including their own. They are not afraid to adapt it to their taste. Pasta with soy sauce. No problem. Sushi with avocado or mini wiener. No problem.
Racist
Meanwhile pasta originates from China
There is a difference, Italians don’t mind when someone changes or adds an ingredient to an Italian dish because this is literally how every new Italian dish has been and is created.
What bothers Italians is when this situation happens and they leave the name of the dish from which it is inspired and/or then call it authentic Italian.
I don’t understand why people see this as strange, imagine if someone opens an American restaurant and starts serving a food that doesn’t contain either cheese or a burger and replaces one of the ingredients with something very different and the result passes it off as authentic american cheeseburger.
I think there is a big misunderstanding often made by both the offending and the offended party here.
Most Italian (and any traditional cuisine realy) shine because of fresh, local and not transformed ingredients
So the Nona calls for prosciutto or whatever. Fine, if it’s hard to have good quality of it in you area go for another nice similar cute. But don’t try and bullshit industrial pre cute bacon bites in it. That’s a legit call-out
If you are using bacon for pancetta which is already a substitute for guanciale are you even making a carbonara anymore?
It’s the equivalent of saying you are going to make steak but not having beef and using chicken but substituting fish for it.
Just forget about it you eggplant head. Next you are going to tell me you use kraft cheese instead of real Parmesan. Madigan!
Meanwhile my Italian stepfather (like from Italy) uses Walmart brand ham when he comes to the States.
I just learned to tune out that snotty and arrogant behaviour. No you are not an authority on pasta and pizza and your grandma learned everything from modern newspapers after WW2
I hate it when people treat authentic/traditional thing as something perfect that can’t be modified. They got those recipe by doing just that. That process should never stop. Obviously i won’t call it either of those things but the base of the dish is the same
I feel bad about stagnating cuisines that refuse to change. Your “ancestors” weren’t infallible and you should strive to improve your recipes. Which isn’t very hard when it comes to italian cuisine, it’s not even good enough for the obsession and pride it receives
Probably great to impress tourists tho
I like to mispronounce cheese names in front of my Italian friends on purpose
I hate this post, because it’s 6 in the morning and I want pasta. Who’s making me some?
breaks fettuccine into boiling water
I will break my spaghetti so it fits in the pot and it will taste the exact same and will be more consistently cooked.
I had an Italian coworker. When I asked her if she would get mad if she saw me breaking spaghetti she said she did it herself because it’s just easier to cook and it does nothing to the taste
Any time someone tries to police the non-harmful behavior of others, it’s insanely cringy. I feel like most people on the internet have started to broadly pick up on this since the 2010’s, as there’s now greater public pushback against things like elitism in gaming and extreme social justice, but some cultural things endure over time due to normalization from peers and family. It’s time for them to go as well.
I’m sorry, but we really don’t need the 1001st YouTube short channel dedicated to critiquing carbonara. Italians will unfortunately have to find a way to contribute to society in other ways. Difficult though that may be to imagine.