People have normalized saying every little thing instead of minding their business. There is a lack of “if you have nothing nice to say don’t say it” mindset. And when you rebuke them in your post it’s always “it’s my opinion”, freedom of speech yada yada. They make it like it’s bad to block and mute those who disagree with you so you’re basically living in an echo chamber… and I say that’s actually much better to do.
Hobbies are meant to be activities you personally pursue for leisure, entertainment, pleasure etc.. and people who are just there to spread negativity should have no room in that space.
You can argue that it ruins discussions if you only keep positive commentary but I disagree because you can absolutely get constructive and meaningful analysis from people who are being positive. Talking to people who just hate on something doesn’t give you anything but bad vibes because most cases it comes from either bad faith or just hating for hate. I’d rather keep with the people who love similarly because then if they provide criticism then you can at least trust that those come from their love of it. They want actual improvement and not shut it down just because they hate abc and xyz.
While both positivity and negativity cloud judgement for biases it’s always the negative that make everything worse because once you absolutely loathe something every little thing about it becomes annoying you rarely get anything constructive. And let’s be real majority of people just prefer someone to agree with them not open up a dissertation thesis on twitter so the sentiment that you’re somehow losing something for being in an echo chamber doesn’t really hit that deeply.
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For hobbies yes. I like to enjoy what I like with a group of people who also enjoy it. That’s a no brainer.
I feel like echo chamber has a connotation that are no constructive feedback, it’s basically a feedback loop of opinions. Maybe I am wrong with this interpretation of what people mean by when they say an “echo chamber”.
I do agree that it’s your hobby, you do you kinda mentality.
Do people specify there’s something wrong with echo chambers for your hobbies? It’s usually specifically for political.
I’m not sure this is unpopular.
I feel like you’re moving the goalpost on what an echo chamber is here. Nobody is saying that you have to interact with haters, or that a positive space is inherently an echo chamber. I’d say that generally by definition you won’t see constructive criticism in an echo chamber
Though I use digital photography 80% over analog, I still use some very old film cameras. I hang out in the analog Reddit and I don’t want to argue over the superiority of digital over film. I want to learn more about film and film cameras.
Same is true for firearms. I don’t want to discuss the 2A. That’s a topic for a politics board.
I don’t agree so upvote for you.
An echo chamber is an environment where your opinions and beliefs are reinforced by only having people who think the same.
As an example one of my hobbies is 3D printing. If I post about an issue with a specific 3D printer in an echo chamber of “this printer is great and it is always user error”. Then it won’t be very helpful because they won’t be able to explore other potential causes.
Tbh I don’t think anyone’s criticizing you for being in your Warhammer echo chamber unless it gets political
Agreed for the most part.
It depends. I don’t think outsiders to a hobby necessarily have the insight to make meaningful commentary on it. However, I think discourse from people within that hobby is perfectly fine even if it comes from a negative place.
That’s why I think a mild degree of gatekeeping is good. It keeps out the same 3 questions or people who don’t have a full grasp of the basics trying to say their opinions.
Back in the day if you were a newbie on a hobby forum (for example) you’d maybe introduce yourself and then lurk for a while until you gained enough experience to provide input.
Nowadays everyone just wants to be on the soapbox with half-baked opinions and ask questions you could Google or just lurk and see for yourself.
Soooo you’re a centrist?
I think the idea of suppressing oppositional views is absolutely ludicrous. But I also believe that the way the oppositional view is presented should be respectful and stated as an opinion.
Yeah but what if the echo chamber is full of incels or nazis?