I think it’s a bold plan, and we’re certainly in a time for bold action. I’m just not sure how it would work if both authoritarian presidents are gleefully keeping him imprisoned.
Curious to hear other’s thoughts.
I think it’s a bold plan, and we’re certainly in a time for bold action. I’m just not sure how it would work if both authoritarian presidents are gleefully keeping him imprisoned.
Curious to hear other’s thoughts.
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I think it’s a bold plan, and we’re certainly in a time for bold action. I’m just not sure how it would work if both authoritarian president’s are gleefully keeping him imprisoned.
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-van-hollen-el-salvador-kilmar-abrego-garcia-deported/
Curious to hear other’s thoughts.
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It’s good for the cameras and that’s not a bad thing. I do believe it would be more effective to take the matter to the UN or even to talk to Democratic governors about the possibility of using the National Guard to restore checks and balances.
I don’t think it’ll be successful but if they refuse to let the Senator even see Garcia then it’ll be a good indication that the guy is dead.
Idk what the fuck is going to happen, but GOOD.
If Trump is going to ignore courts and overgrown-cabbagepatch-kid Stephen Miller is going to twist SCOTUS’ ruling to fit his racist agenda, then yeah… actions over words might be necessary now.
What’re they gonna do, arrest him? I’d hope that even Republicans would get pissed about that.
I hope he’s not the only Dem on that trip. They need to push as hard as they can on this.
I think it’s an awesome plan, will be interesting to see what exactly he can get done. Ultimately he should focus his power on what he can do to stop ICE within the state of Maryland but this is a good step to attempt to rectify what has already happened.
It seems like the exact thing that we need to see Democrats doing.
If the Trump administration can set the precedent that as soon as they manage to get someone onto El Salvadorian soil, then they have no American rights and the American government can’t be petitioned to redress their grievances, then I feel like we’re gonna see an awful lot more “administrative errors” that result in other people landing in El Salvador.
Yeah, I think this is exactly the right play. They can even agree to bring him back.
Now I don’t expect them to be successful- but it adds pressure to the situation, and there is a catch 22, because either you show him (and the conditions he is in) or you don’t and let speculation run wild.
I think the most important part is they’re keeping the story of kilmar on the front pages and in people’s minds. It’s all performative but at least it keeps the issue front and center.
I think it’s good. I think it’s a show of power and a show of humanity.
I don’t think he’s going to be successful and honestly the first thing I thought of when I heard he was going was Senator Leo Ryan flying to Guyana.
I also hope he stays safe.
Lol hopefully we leave him there.
It’s a joke don’t get triggered.
Hopefully they can get him back.
Good from a moral standpoint and good politics as well
I think it rocks. if I put myself in Kilmar’s position, that’s what I would want my senator to do for me. it goes beyond what’s “merely” politically effective and makes it personal.
I also don’t think it’s zero risk for Van Hollen. obviously he’s in a much more protected position overall so I don’t want to fearmonger or anything, it’s just Trump is insane and dangerous and I suspect they have a lot to cover up down there.
eta: also just for context, my senator is Chuck Schumer, so you can see why I think this guy is amazing. mine would never.
It’s necessary. That’s the key. Whether it works or not, it is required of a free state
Unfortunately, I believe Garcia is already dead, so this could be a fool’s misson
Regardless, I wish them luck
Sure.
Though he might want to hire some mercenaries to help. Taking the prison by himself would be a challenge.
I hope he has security because I keep harkening back to what happened to Congressman Leo Ryan back at Jonestown
This is a sideshow.
This is taking the bait.
I think this is what an actual patriot looks like. I doubt he will get much out of it and I hope he’s safe, but at least he’s willing to stand up and do something.
It’s a start, but if in a week if nothing happens I think they should consider sending Obama, Biden, or Clinton there to see what’s going on.
I pray for his safety.
At least a few Democrats appear to have fortitude. Let’s hope it isn’t merely a performative stunt.
This is a good first small step, but where are the Democratic leaders? Why aren’t Schumer and his little circle already in El Salvador?
In the face of fascism, it is telling who rolls over first. Schumer appears to be the first volunteer sonderkommando at this point.
I having flashbacks to Jonestown and how it went when a senator went there to get people back home
Wait a minute, Trump is just going to leave them there and let Bukele jail them. Any protection accompanying them to El Salvador is under Trump’s control ultimately.
Why is El Salvador’s president so vested in keeping him locked up
This is the kind of courage I’ve been wanting to see.
This is what we need more of
Well the DOJ says that should the prisoner show up in the US they would arrest him again which would be sad to see of course. This whole thing is fucked up.
I want to volunteer for security. Who’s with me?
Democrats are so bad right now, literally any action/sign of defiance is a good thing. Thats not even a compliment, it just sad thats how far Democrats have fallen.
Wondering what would happen if a disinterested third party country was to offer Garcia and his family asylum? I’m not at all sure who that would be, but would it be considered hostile by Trump or might it be a way to go along w/ the SC’s ruling and save face?
He’s boldly taking a stand for what he believes in. I see no issue with that.
I suspect that it won’t work, but he should still do it, regardless. We and our leaders cannot be passive as the administration flagrantly violates US laws, norms, and basic morality.
I mean i doubt it’s going to actually yield any actual results. There’s a non zero chance the guy is dead. And beyond that bukele has a lot more to gain being on good terms with trump than he does with a random senator. And even if he’s able to get Garcia out of el Salvador (which i doubt he can) there is a pretty good chance trump sabotages any attempt to bring him back into the states. Fuck trump might just deport him again who knows.
This is basically a publicity stunt.
That said, good! Dems should make a public show of opposing trump and show they are trying and willing to go to any personal lengths to oppose this asshole president of ours.
I’m all for publicity stunts if it demonstrates democrats are actually trying to help. This is a good thing. But don’t expect actual results.
Good! Someone needs to go. Good for Chris for volunteering.
Obviously, a political stunt to get clout, nothing else. There is zero chance he gets an El Salvador citizen & prisoner back into the United States illegally. This especially true with El Salvador’s president, who just spent many years cleaning up his streets to make it one of the safest places in the western hemisphere.
I hope this inspires more Democratic politicians to take similar, bolder actions. We’re obviously at a breaking point and I’m grateful to any democratic leader that decides to step up.
I think the more who do, the more that will feel comfortable to follow. I’d honestly really like to see AOC or Pete Buttigieg do something similar, as I feel they are spearheading the forefront of 2028 candidates (AOC probably not so much but she certainly is trying to take a leading role in the party).
I think this is good, some would probably argue that it violates the executives rights on foreign policy stuff but I assume theyll be smart enough to avoid any conflicts there
More power to him and I fully support the effort and hope others join him. That said I’m not confident that much will be accomplished. I hope they facilitate his release, and others who were obviously wrongly imprisoned.
Anything that keeps it in the headlines is good imo
Signalgate makes it clear that just waiting for things to fall out of the news works surprisingly well
If he wants to cause an international incident go ahead
The problem I’m seeing is that he had legal status but wasn’t a legal immigrant, and because 1 he is a citizen of El Salvador, and they can’t give him a passport in order to send him to the us because that would give him legal immigration status when he didn’t have that in the first place
And 2 El Salvador is accusing him of some crimes
Im probably wrong on some or all of this, but this is what I have gathered from what is being spread around
It’s giving Jonestown.
I think that it’s at least something as rather than this we need to be moderate and show how happy we are to work with Trump, Democrats should be standing up to Trump and publicly opposing his actions. Show that they want to help!