They side with the guy who kills thousands under the guise of being CEO, none of that surprises me. Especially since MAGA does not believe in laws or due process, just lining their pockets.
They want to make an example of him. But I think they’d just end up making him a martyr. They’ll do anything to protect the billionaire class, except hold them accountable. I don’t think it warrants the death penalty, either way though. His crime was not so heinous that it’s deserving of the death penalty, even if you believe in the death penalty. So ultimately this isn’t about law and order (which this government doesn’t care about anyway), it’s about protecting billionaires.
If you’re asking about Luigi in particular, then it doesn’t really matter because Trump won’t be president for long enough to follow through. People spend a decade or more on death row. The appeals process is long. Trump would likely die of old age before it ever gets that far and the next Democratic president will likely go back to stopping federal executions.
Just in general? I’m very much against it. In theory I have no problem with the death penalty. I absolutely believe there are people who have done things so horrible that they no longer deserve to live.
But the reality is that the justice system is flawed. We know for certain that it makes mistakes. We know for certain that innocent people get convicted, that innocent people have been on death row, that innocent people have been executed. Even one innocent person being executed is completely unacceptable and all the reason I need to completely oppose the death penalty.
Given two mass shooters recently (Parkland and El Paso) haven’t gotten it, no one should. If you can massacre 20+ people in a walmart and not get it, anything less is a total miscarriage of justice.
Luigi allegedly brutally murdered a man in public. Leaving out the discussion of the morality death penalty, it doesn’t make the case for the criminal any better: The punishment should be severe and equal to that of the first-degree.
That leaves the choice between life imprisonment and death penalty, for which Trump opts due to the symbolics behind it. It could also become quite interesting to witness the conflict between state and federal, due to the fact that a president can’t order an execution (unless he finds a legal loophole), even if Luigi were on the death row.
In my personal opinion, I’d be on the fence, though I currently lean toward life imprisonment without a chance of parole. However, the death penalty could be favored if I were to know that certain, unknown sympathizers in higher offices might pardon him in the future.
I acknowledge that some societies do not have the capacity to keep people incarcerated for the rest of their lives and view the death penalty as reasonable in those circumstances. Outside of those circumstances I am universally against it’s use. That is not the case in present day America so I don’t think we should ever be implementing it.
Even if we were a society that did not have the capacity to keep someone incarcerated for the rest of their life, I do not believe Mangione’s crime is significant enough to warrant the death penalty. If there was no personal suffering as a factor I might lean towards it, but the personal suffering factor makes me lean against it. I feel like someone who views violence as a means of pursuing political ends is different than someone engaged in an act of vengeance, with the latter being more likely to be reformed/age out of those views.
I never supported the death penalty. And not on moral grounds either.
The government and our system of “justice” is fallible and the death penalty is irreversible.
In this case, it could really backfire. Luigi is a folk hero for a reason; executing him raises him to the level of martyr.
Considering all of the other murders that for some reason don’t qualify for the death penalty, including murders of children, I think that Trump and his billionaire buddies are trying to send a clear message that says something along the lines of:
Kill all the poors you want, but rich people are off limits!
I don’t think it has anything to do with “justice” or “penalty matching the crime” or any of the nonsense rhetoric Trump and his followers spout. They’re just trying to make lower class people too afraid to stand up to the wealthy that are screwing them all over.
If there’s an action that would be more calculated to make him a martyr and increase his public support (and the broader support of violence-as-a-means-of-policy), I can’t offhand think of what it would be.
Short answer: the death penalty is inherently immoral and should be abolished.
Long answer: Personally, I have little sympathy for Luigi because all he did was kill a guy when he could have done literally anything else with his life (because he’s a wealthy kid from a wealthy family who can do that sort of stuff).
however
This is what makes me sympathize with him. He’s a murderer, but he didn’t shoot up a school or ram defenseless people with his car. And people aren’t stupid, they can smell that issuing the death penalty is just a way to scare people from trying to make wealthy people pay for their complicity in our terrible systems.
But this is America, and when you tell us no, we say “screw you” do it anyway.
So anyway, it’s wrong to pursue the death penalty for Luigi. Glad Trump is doing everything in his power to make Luigi more popular and sympathetic.
Death penalties are bad because governments can use them to pick and instill fear in their voters. This is the opposite of the correct direction, voters should pick and instill fear in their government. So governments should not have death penalties to play with.
The political dimension of this also means that even if death penalties are just from your perspective, it will be applied unevenly for political benefit for incumbents. People you think deserve it will have the prosecution not request it in sentencing, because of the demographics of the perp. You’ll find people being charged with misdemeanors instead.
As for this specific case, jury nullification is a real threat here to Trump’s ambitions, the guy is now a folk hero, even if he is an unrepentant criminal. This announcement, if anything, makes that more likely, and may make juries more reluctant to convict.
Mangione was just a tourist in the world of adversity. His grandmother left $30 million which is probably the tip of an iceberg. He probably does not know what public schools are even like. If his parents were paying his rent at the beach in Hawaii while he did not work, of course they would cover all his health issues. He was never a client of his victim’s company. He is playing the hero and the victim. He is a cold-blooded killer and a charlatan
So many people shipping him now, and yet we had an election ten minutes ago where the health system was hardly an issue at all and presumably many of these same people voted for Trump. This country is so trashy
Anyway Mangione deserves life but seeking the death penalty in this case is a big mistake. That will just give him more mystique and make him more of a martyr, which is what he likely wants. I can understand the strategy of seeking the DP to get a plea or to manipulate jury selection, but Mangione surely wants the public passion play of a trial. It’s the administration doing the edgy/performative thing rather than the right or the smart thing, which ironically resembles Mangione in a way
I’m not opposed to the punishment but this isn’t the case I’d apply it to as to do so is literally setting the precedent that killing somebody wealthy is more morally wrong than killing somebody who isn’t.
The way my jaw stayed in place. Trump is about to make a martyr out of somebody, both the left and right rallied behind in the name of being an authoritarian. It’s exactly the type of thing you saw coming if you’ve been paying attention.
Being that he was still calling for the death penalty on the central park 5 AFTER THEY WERE FOUND INNOCENT, and we recently learned his new policies deported an American citizen… And he isn’t trying to get him back….
No, I absolutely don’t agree with this administration being able to kill people.
I don’t support capital punishment. It’s unethical and cruel. It makes no sense at all.
I don’t support this administration. Trump cannot be trusted on life and death situations. Case in point the deportation of a Maryland man due to a “clerical error”. Deeply shameful.
I don’t support the legion of slacktivists making this man their personal hero. You people don’t want change. You want someone to play out your personal fan fiction of reality. The same people sitting on their ass calling the Mario brother their hero are going to continue sitting on their ass and call him a martyr.
I think whoever has blackmail on him (probably Putin from Trump’s days in Russia in 1987) has an interest in making Mangione a martyr to further increase political tension in the US and make our society less stable.
I am opposed to the death penalty in all cases. It is irrevocable and no justice system is infallible. Doubly so for this one because, like, I don’t believe he did it for a second.
Memes aside, Lugi has a very different upper facial structure from the security images of the masked gunman so this whole thing feels like a desperate attempt to find anyone to blame. And it really feels like it’s backfired. Them doing this is going to backfire even harder, imo.
If you are one of those that thinks Mangione was “Robin Hood” and was justified in his actions as a vigilante against corporate greed, you can’t also be anti death penalty since that’s exactly the sentence Mangione gave Thompson.
I don’t support the death penalty, especially in a case as revenge for the guy who got killed for being a mass murderer, which he is, but just by AI algorithms denying claims, not by gun.
No one should get it, but the outrage should be on those who have been wrongfully convicted. Not someone who blatantly murdered a father in broad daylight
I’m against the death penalty. I’ve been against the death penalty for my entire adult life, and yes, I’ve personally experienced the murder of a family member that was death-penalty eligible. It’s wrong to kill people. The death penalty isn’t a deterrant, so it’s not being done in defense of anyone else. Killing a bad person doesn’t make killing right. I’d have been against it if Biden did it. I’m against it if Trump does it. Wrong is wrong.
If that is a stated intent, if he specifically doing it for Luigi Mangione, then it is a constitutionally banned bill of attainder. But it has nothing to do with a Luigi. It only has something to do with Trump‘s psychosis. It makes mushroom dick feel more like a man to say that he will.
It sounds like he wants to send the 37 former death row inmates to El Salvador (review their prisons to see if the prison conditions are equal to their crimes).
I do not think the death penalty should be legal at any level for any crime. Our justice system is far from perfect and even one innocent person being killed for a crime they did not commit is too many.
The death penalty prevents any hope of a person being rehabilitated, even if they are never allowed back into general society rehabilitation is possible if they are alive.
The state having the power to kill its citizens for crimes it deems worthy of that punishment is not something that should be allowed. There is no way that anyone should trust Trump not to threaten, attempt, or use this on people who have offended him in some way.
Im at a vote of no confidence in this administration so I really am not in favor of anything they are doing in general. I do t trust it or them. Maybe it’s a good idea, i can’t say but I do not trust right now.
The death penalty is one of those things I grew up thinking was normal and expected, but more recently I’ve looked at it with some objectivity and it seems a bit bizarre. I could see an argument regarding prison overcrowding, but it doesn’t seem like DP puts much of a dent in that, considering the incredibly lengthy appeals process. I think whatever genuine problems DP solves could be solved by prison/police reform. Cut down on the amount of people serving long sentences for nonviolent crimes, and strengthen parole supervision (probably with greater staffing).
Even if found guilty, it takes years before the execution takes place. I would expect that he can stay alive until a Democrat is President again and I expect there will be a lot of pressure to have his death sentence will be commuted.
I’m still optimistic that MAGA dies when Trump does.
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It’s going to backfire. As have similar aggressive prosecutions.
I don’t support capital punishment.
I will never support the death penalty.
Against the death penalty. I especially don’t trust Trump bringing it back given how MAGA does not believe in due process.
Please do it. Make our day.
They’re afraid, and they want to try to make an example of him to quell any copycats. Probably will achieve just the opposite.
The State should not have the right to kill its citizens. Period.
If Luigi Mangione is executed, I genuinely think it could kickstart the civil war.
I was told the both parties were the same uniparty and that us why the far left didn’t vote
Looking headlines im legit surprised they are even having a trial at this point.
So anything that at least uses due process and habeus corpus I am ok with.
Making him a martyr can’t end well
They side with the guy who kills thousands under the guise of being CEO, none of that surprises me. Especially since MAGA does not believe in laws or due process, just lining their pockets.
They want to make an example of him. But I think they’d just end up making him a martyr. They’ll do anything to protect the billionaire class, except hold them accountable. I don’t think it warrants the death penalty, either way though. His crime was not so heinous that it’s deserving of the death penalty, even if you believe in the death penalty. So ultimately this isn’t about law and order (which this government doesn’t care about anyway), it’s about protecting billionaires.
If you’re asking about Luigi in particular, then it doesn’t really matter because Trump won’t be president for long enough to follow through. People spend a decade or more on death row. The appeals process is long. Trump would likely die of old age before it ever gets that far and the next Democratic president will likely go back to stopping federal executions.
Just in general? I’m very much against it. In theory I have no problem with the death penalty. I absolutely believe there are people who have done things so horrible that they no longer deserve to live.
But the reality is that the justice system is flawed. We know for certain that it makes mistakes. We know for certain that innocent people get convicted, that innocent people have been on death row, that innocent people have been executed. Even one innocent person being executed is completely unacceptable and all the reason I need to completely oppose the death penalty.
If they can bring it back whenever they want, then it was never really gone.
I look forward to hearing how the leftists make this Democrats’ fault.
Given two mass shooters recently (Parkland and El Paso) haven’t gotten it, no one should. If you can massacre 20+ people in a walmart and not get it, anything less is a total miscarriage of justice.
Luigi allegedly brutally murdered a man in public. Leaving out the discussion of the morality death penalty, it doesn’t make the case for the criminal any better: The punishment should be severe and equal to that of the first-degree.
That leaves the choice between life imprisonment and death penalty, for which Trump opts due to the symbolics behind it. It could also become quite interesting to witness the conflict between state and federal, due to the fact that a president can’t order an execution (unless he finds a legal loophole), even if Luigi were on the death row.
In my personal opinion, I’d be on the fence, though I currently lean toward life imprisonment without a chance of parole. However, the death penalty could be favored if I were to know that certain, unknown sympathizers in higher offices might pardon him in the future.
Shall I hold my breath to see how long it takes the feds to start executing people who turn out to be innocent?
I acknowledge that some societies do not have the capacity to keep people incarcerated for the rest of their lives and view the death penalty as reasonable in those circumstances. Outside of those circumstances I am universally against it’s use. That is not the case in present day America so I don’t think we should ever be implementing it.
Even if we were a society that did not have the capacity to keep someone incarcerated for the rest of their life, I do not believe Mangione’s crime is significant enough to warrant the death penalty. If there was no personal suffering as a factor I might lean towards it, but the personal suffering factor makes me lean against it. I feel like someone who views violence as a means of pursuing political ends is different than someone engaged in an act of vengeance, with the latter being more likely to be reformed/age out of those views.
I never supported the death penalty. And not on moral grounds either.
The government and our system of “justice” is fallible and the death penalty is irreversible.
In this case, it could really backfire. Luigi is a folk hero for a reason; executing him raises him to the level of martyr.
Against the death penalty in all cases. No sympathy for Luigi though, he can rot in prison.
Considering all of the other murders that for some reason don’t qualify for the death penalty, including murders of children, I think that Trump and his billionaire buddies are trying to send a clear message that says something along the lines of:
Kill all the poors you want, but rich people are off limits!
I don’t think it has anything to do with “justice” or “penalty matching the crime” or any of the nonsense rhetoric Trump and his followers spout. They’re just trying to make lower class people too afraid to stand up to the wealthy that are screwing them all over.
If there’s an action that would be more calculated to make him a martyr and increase his public support (and the broader support of violence-as-a-means-of-policy), I can’t offhand think of what it would be.
As time goes on, I’m increasingly against trusting my government to handle using the death penalty for society’s interest.
Short answer: the death penalty is inherently immoral and should be abolished.
Long answer: Personally, I have little sympathy for Luigi because all he did was kill a guy when he could have done literally anything else with his life (because he’s a wealthy kid from a wealthy family who can do that sort of stuff).
however
This is what makes me sympathize with him. He’s a murderer, but he didn’t shoot up a school or ram defenseless people with his car. And people aren’t stupid, they can smell that issuing the death penalty is just a way to scare people from trying to make wealthy people pay for their complicity in our terrible systems.
But this is America, and when you tell us no, we say “screw you” do it anyway.
So anyway, it’s wrong to pursue the death penalty for Luigi. Glad Trump is doing everything in his power to make Luigi more popular and sympathetic.
Death penalties are bad because governments can use them to pick and instill fear in their voters. This is the opposite of the correct direction, voters should pick and instill fear in their government. So governments should not have death penalties to play with.
The political dimension of this also means that even if death penalties are just from your perspective, it will be applied unevenly for political benefit for incumbents. People you think deserve it will have the prosecution not request it in sentencing, because of the demographics of the perp. You’ll find people being charged with misdemeanors instead.
As for this specific case, jury nullification is a real threat here to Trump’s ambitions, the guy is now a folk hero, even if he is an unrepentant criminal. This announcement, if anything, makes that more likely, and may make juries more reluctant to convict.
Mangione was just a tourist in the world of adversity. His grandmother left $30 million which is probably the tip of an iceberg. He probably does not know what public schools are even like. If his parents were paying his rent at the beach in Hawaii while he did not work, of course they would cover all his health issues. He was never a client of his victim’s company. He is playing the hero and the victim. He is a cold-blooded killer and a charlatan
So many people shipping him now, and yet we had an election ten minutes ago where the health system was hardly an issue at all and presumably many of these same people voted for Trump. This country is so trashy
Anyway Mangione deserves life but seeking the death penalty in this case is a big mistake. That will just give him more mystique and make him more of a martyr, which is what he likely wants. I can understand the strategy of seeking the DP to get a plea or to manipulate jury selection, but Mangione surely wants the public passion play of a trial. It’s the administration doing the edgy/performative thing rather than the right or the smart thing, which ironically resembles Mangione in a way
I guess I’d say let Trump make him a martyr it can only help people on the left.
I definitely think someone with 34 felony convictions should receive the death penalty.
Ambivalent about the death penalty, but this case doesn’t warrant federal charges.
Trump doesn’t want consequences for breaking the law if you are a white MAGAt.
I’m not opposed to the punishment but this isn’t the case I’d apply it to as to do so is literally setting the precedent that killing somebody wealthy is more morally wrong than killing somebody who isn’t.
The way my jaw stayed in place. Trump is about to make a martyr out of somebody, both the left and right rallied behind in the name of being an authoritarian. It’s exactly the type of thing you saw coming if you’ve been paying attention.
Being that he was still calling for the death penalty on the central park 5 AFTER THEY WERE FOUND INNOCENT, and we recently learned his new policies deported an American citizen… And he isn’t trying to get him back….
No, I absolutely don’t agree with this administration being able to kill people.
I don’t support capital punishment. It’s unethical and cruel. It makes no sense at all.
I don’t support this administration. Trump cannot be trusted on life and death situations. Case in point the deportation of a Maryland man due to a “clerical error”. Deeply shameful.
I don’t support the legion of slacktivists making this man their personal hero. You people don’t want change. You want someone to play out your personal fan fiction of reality. The same people sitting on their ass calling the Mario brother their hero are going to continue sitting on their ass and call him a martyr.
I think there are some people that deserve a death penalty, but it’s not Luigi. That Trump would seek it against him is unsurprising.
Against the death penalty on all situations
They’ll only make him a martyr.
I think whoever has blackmail on him (probably Putin from Trump’s days in Russia in 1987) has an interest in making Mangione a martyr to further increase political tension in the US and make our society less stable.
I didn’t like Mangione before this but its instantly overridden such that now I would vote him not guilty if i was on the jury
I am opposed to the death penalty in all cases. It is irrevocable and no justice system is infallible. Doubly so for this one because, like, I don’t believe he did it for a second.
Memes aside, Lugi has a very different upper facial structure from the security images of the masked gunman so this whole thing feels like a desperate attempt to find anyone to blame. And it really feels like it’s backfired. Them doing this is going to backfire even harder, imo.
I agree with the death penalty in very limited cases but I oppose this. I’m not a fan of what Luigi did, but this is making a martyr out of him.
It’s a terroristic threat against the rest of us to not stand up to the people with wealth
If you are one of those that thinks Mangione was “Robin Hood” and was justified in his actions as a vigilante against corporate greed, you can’t also be anti death penalty since that’s exactly the sentence Mangione gave Thompson.
I don’t support the death penalty, especially in a case as revenge for the guy who got killed for being a mass murderer, which he is, but just by AI algorithms denying claims, not by gun.
No one should get it, but the outrage should be on those who have been wrongfully convicted. Not someone who blatantly murdered a father in broad daylight
I’m against the death penalty. I’ve been against the death penalty for my entire adult life, and yes, I’ve personally experienced the murder of a family member that was death-penalty eligible. It’s wrong to kill people. The death penalty isn’t a deterrant, so it’s not being done in defense of anyone else. Killing a bad person doesn’t make killing right. I’d have been against it if Biden did it. I’m against it if Trump does it. Wrong is wrong.
Turn on the juice!
Go ahead and make him a martyr, if they can get a jury to agree
If that is a stated intent, if he specifically doing it for Luigi Mangione, then it is a constitutionally banned bill of attainder. But it has nothing to do with a Luigi. It only has something to do with Trump‘s psychosis. It makes mushroom dick feel more like a man to say that he will.
It sounds like he wants to send the 37 former death row inmates to El Salvador (review their prisons to see if the prison conditions are equal to their crimes).
That he would be paving the way for jury nullification or at least a hung jury.
Evil. Because the cruelty is the point
I don’t believe the government should have the right to kill anyone
Very prolife of them, as usual
I do not think the death penalty should be legal at any level for any crime. Our justice system is far from perfect and even one innocent person being killed for a crime they did not commit is too many.
The death penalty prevents any hope of a person being rehabilitated, even if they are never allowed back into general society rehabilitation is possible if they are alive.
The state having the power to kill its citizens for crimes it deems worthy of that punishment is not something that should be allowed. There is no way that anyone should trust Trump not to threaten, attempt, or use this on people who have offended him in some way.
I dislike it a lot. I’m against the death penalty generally.
Ask in r/AskConservatives. I can’t because I was banned from posting. I honestly think you’ll get mixed reactions.
Im at a vote of no confidence in this administration so I really am not in favor of anything they are doing in general. I do t trust it or them. Maybe it’s a good idea, i can’t say but I do not trust right now.
The death penalty is one of those things I grew up thinking was normal and expected, but more recently I’ve looked at it with some objectivity and it seems a bit bizarre. I could see an argument regarding prison overcrowding, but it doesn’t seem like DP puts much of a dent in that, considering the incredibly lengthy appeals process. I think whatever genuine problems DP solves could be solved by prison/police reform. Cut down on the amount of people serving long sentences for nonviolent crimes, and strengthen parole supervision (probably with greater staffing).
You know, in a perfect world with infinite money.
Can’t have the proletariat threatening the oligarchs and ruling class.
Even if found guilty, it takes years before the execution takes place. I would expect that he can stay alive until a Democrat is President again and I expect there will be a lot of pressure to have his death sentence will be commuted.
I’m still optimistic that MAGA dies when Trump does.