What causes both Democrats and Republicans in the USA to believe that the SCOTUS ruling in the Abrego Garcia was 9-0 “in their favor”, despite favoring different outcomes?
What causes both Democrats and Republicans in the USA to believe that the SCOTUS ruling in the Abrego Garcia was 9-0 “in their favor”, despite favoring different outcomes?
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One side is lying.
Idiocracy
Because technically both outcomes were achieved. On the liberal side, the ruling says that Trump has to facilitate the return. On the conservative side, it was tried in the wrong district and the president has the authority to deport.
Nobody reads the actual court opinion, they read what their preferred media has to say about it. And that – maybe they only read the headlines.
The opinion said that the executive had to “facilitate” his return to the US, but that asking them to “effectuate” his return might be pushing the line as the executive branch is in charge of foreign policy. It asked the judge to clarify her demand.
One side hears “facilitate his return” = bring him home, the other side hears “they don’t have to effectuate” his return. It is a subtle opinion issued by the SC – one that pays a lot closer attention to the semantic/legal meaning of the key words than the average American does when they watch the news.
That’s my take!
Bad faith and lying by one group.
For a start the decision wasn’t for Democrats or Republicans, it was against the Trump Administration telling them they had to follow a Judge’s order. The Trump Administration, as always, is really blatantly lying to the courts and public about reality and their actions, They will out of one side of their mouths claim Garcia was wrongfully sent and they are trying to comply with the law but their hands are tied, and at the same time bragging on social media that he’s a gang member and criminal who deserve to be there and Judges have no power to tell them to do anything.
Judge Boasberg’s legal opinion breaks down how he’s being blatantly lied to and Trump is firing attorneys when they tell the truth.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoints/5-points-on-how-judge-boasberg-broke-down-the-admins-alien-enemies-contempt
Trump regularly admits to crimes, then lies saying he never said that and it’s fake news, then admits again and brags no one can stop him, then denies it again and claims anyone talking about it is a hater and loser. This has been going on for decades. His followers are fully on board with this and do not care at all about trying to look for truth and reconcile his lies.
The reckless use of the ambiguous word “facilitate.”
I’d like to think it’s because it was 9-0 in favor of the Constitution but it doesn’t seem like that’s something Republicans seem to care about any longer.
Because if Republicans acknowledge that the SC ruled 9-0 against Trump, and that Trump is ignoring that ruling, it would mean Democrats have been right about him this whole time.
So obviously the SC must have ruled in his favor.
Stephen Miller is lying.
Delusion
Stephen Miller said it was in 47’s favor, so Republicans believe it.
There is no single reality anymore. People live in their world view silos, and consider anything the other side says as a lie if it conflicts with their world view. Anything can be spun, even if it seems stupid, because people want reinforcement of their world view, not actual reality. Doesn’t matter how weak the argument or evidence for a position is, if someone wants to believe in a certain world view then they will grasp onto the weakest argument and evidence to maintain it.
Depends on which reality you live in and how you interpret “facilitate”
Lies, it’s always lies
It’s the Republicans doing what they’re done since 2020 which is blatantly out and out lie about objective reality and truth. Like the cult they are
It appears that reading comprehension is dismal in the white house and among people supporting their actions .
Orange Man is lying.
If Donald Trump said that he invented electricity, his followers would parrot it and members of his administration would swear to it before congress.
Republicans and right-wing media are lying.
Stephen Miller and Donald Trump just say shit — and the Right Wing media who airs their shit doesn’t challenge them on it — and thus the shit becomes “fact.”
I try not to pay attention to what those criminals say
The Supreme Court ruled on a very limited basis in “favor” of Trump that a local court cannot literally conduct foreign policy, ie compelling the president to make a deal with a foreign nation. In literally every other factor, they ruled against the administration that every single thing they did was blatantly illegal.
So basically, conservatives are lying. The basis is “the president can’t be forced to force a deal on another nation by a lower court” and is being used to ignore “every single thing you just did is illegal.” Nobody can make them fix it, but it wasn’t legal to do it or do it again. The courts can’t make Trump make El Salvador return him, they can say “DONT DO THAT AGAIN.”
why ask this on a democrat echo chamber site lol jeez
TL;DR the opinion said the judge can’t force the administration to do it, but they can force the administration to try and take every every step within their power to do it.
One sides sees the first half as a victory (SC said you can’t force us) and the other side sees it as a victory (SC says you have to try).
Stephen Miller is lying and is leaning heavily on a few nonsensically interpreted technicalities to support his claim. Anyone who believes him is either a true believer or a blind-faith dumbass.
Stephen Miller knows this. He is evil, not stupid.
Trump may or may not know, and certainly doesn’t care.
Trump supporters it depends, but most (I suspect) are taking his word in good faith which, unfortunately, is quickly becoming the sort of blind faith that leads lemmings off cliffs.
Why is it being phrased like a brain teaser. The 9-0 decision was in favor of Abrego Garcia because of the insane precedent.
Because it is all a big spin show, neither side cares about anything other than retaining power and the money train
trumps dead friend had some playbook that stated to declare victory regardless of loss or ridiculousness. trump declared a 9-0 in his favour, thus..
Because while the SCOTUS said ‘don’t do it again’ and ‘facilitate his return’ they also ruled that the lower courts didn’t have jurisdiction to stop Trump doing it and ‘facilitate’ only means they have to ask el Salvador and help. As we have seen, El Salvador said nope, and the Trump administration shrugged and went oh well we tried…
So Republicans won on their base argument of jurisdiction and the particular choice of wording means they aren’t forced to try all that hard to get him back. Democrats won in that Trump was told no stop that it’s bad.
Because the ruling from SCOTUS is carefully worded.
SCOTUS said the administration needs to “facilitate” the return of Mr. Garcia.
The lower courts said that the administration needs to “facilitate and effectuate” (IIRC)
Basically, the lower court said “You need to take steps to make this a possibility, AND make an actual, concerted effort to make it happen”.
SCOTUS ‘s ruling is basically “You need to take steps to make this a possibility”, they stopped short of ordering that the second half of the lower courts ruling be in effect.
TLDR, words mean things and different words mean different things, and both sides are too fucking stupid to realize what words mean, so they keep thinking that the ruling is a victory for them.
Democrats think that “facilitate” means the Trump Administration has to bring him back, Republicans think (correctly) that “facilitate” merely means that the Trump admin has to ask nicely and if the other country refuses, they can wash their hands and say “whelp, we tried”.
While all of this is going on the vast majority of US citizens are learning that the SCOTUS doesn’t really have any teeth, they only have power so long as people obey their rulings.
As Jackson said in the aftermath of Worcester V Georgia (1832), paraphrased, obvi, “The SCOTUS has made their decision, now let them enforce it”.
Because it literally says:
“The application is granted in part and denied in part”
This how Hitler rose to power with harassment and abuse of information. Wore down people’s resolve.
Reading comprehension
ChatGPT is awesome for questions like this:
Republican Perspective
Republicans argue that the Supreme Court’s decision affirms the executive branch’s authority over immigration and foreign policy. They emphasize that the Court did not mandate the physical return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia but rather instructed the government to “facilitate” his release from custody in El Salvador and ensure his case is handled as if he had not been improperly deported . 
From this viewpoint, the term “facilitate” is interpreted as allowing the administration to take reasonable steps without being compelled to bring Garcia back to the U.S. This interpretation supports the notion that the judiciary recognizes the limits of its power in directing executive actions, especially in matters involving foreign governments. 
Furthermore, Republicans highlight concerns about national security, noting that the administration has alleged Garcia’s affiliation with MS-13, a designated foreign terrorist organization . They argue that the executive branch must have discretion in handling cases involving individuals who may pose a threat to public safety. 
In summary, Republicans view the ruling as a reinforcement of executive authority and a cautious approach to immigration enforcement, aligning with their broader policy goals.
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Democratic Perspective
Democrats interpret the Supreme Court’s decision as a clear affirmation of due process rights and a check on executive overreach. They point out that Garcia had been granted “withholding of removal” status in 2019, legally allowing him to live and work in the U.S., and that his deportation violated this protection . 
The Court’s directive to “facilitate” Garcia’s release and ensure his case is treated as if the unlawful deportation had not occurred is seen by Democrats as an acknowledgment of the government’s error and a commitment to rectify it. They argue that this sets a precedent for upholding the rights of individuals against unlawful government actions. 
Democrats also express concern over the administration’s reluctance to act on the Court’s directive, viewing it as a disregard for judicial authority and the rule of law. They emphasize the importance of compliance with court orders to maintain the integrity of the legal system.
In essence, Democrats see the ruling as a victory for constitutional protections and a necessary intervention to prevent potential abuses of power by the executive branch.
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Both parties thus claim the ruling supports their positions: Republicans focus on executive discretion and national security, while Democrats emphasize due process and judicial oversight.
MAGA and Trump are making power statements, a variety of lie that is brazen in its denial of reality. They’re the schoolyard bully who has stolen your hat, puts in on his head, and walks around claiming it’s his hat and it’s always been his hat.
He’s daring you to contradict him, backed up by his buddies or his size or whatever let’s him think he can bully people.
This is the nature of reality in a dictatorship. Most Americans still think Trump is a wannabe dictator or trying to play at being king. This rejection of the reality of the SCOTUS decision is dictatorial. Last term Trump was a wannabe. This term, Trump is dictator.