Definitely not, their relationship was bound to blow up. Elon was hated by Republicans and even trumps cabinet. They even understood thay elon was actively dragging down trumps popularity.
Not to mention that trump and Elon has beefed before. And Elons ego combined the gery common autistic trait taking things extremely seriously when wronged, which he has done multiple times before, made when he was eventually kicked out ofc he would crash out
They are both greedy, petulant children throwing tantrums because each didn’t get what he wanted. The only acting they’re doing is acting totally in character. 🤷🏻♀️
I don’t think so because once you accuse Trump of being a friend of Epsteins there is no going back. They both are just totally obsessed with money way more than their liking for humanity.
We all knew it was coming, but it happened so quickly that I still doubted it was the real deal – but now they’ve gone and publicly thrown down. With how fragile both their egos are, I can’t imagine it being fake. Neither would ever be able to emotionally handle those kind of insults/threats being tossed around even if it was pretend.
It all started with a guy who usually wears a full face of makeup flaunting a black eye to every news outlet in the world from the West Wing, where there’s a makeup team on duty every day.
So, yeah, I’d say it’s staged. Linda McMahon didn’t get her job because she’s an experienced educator, you know?
I might have thought it was as fake as the “assassination attempts”, but when the Muskrat pulled the Epstein card that’s when I knew they did not come to play.
I don’t think it’s staged, for two reasons. One, it’s costing Elon billions. Tesla’s stock (which is where most of his money is) took a huge hit today. Why would he ever agree to play along? Secondly, I don’t think either of them is competent enough to pull it off.
The only thing I can think of, is how many hours it’s been since the Planatir database contract came out?
How else do you distract from a full nationwide database during an authoritarian regime growing? That’s fucking terrifying, but most are focused on this.
So it’s prolly distracting from that, and cause I don’t mind the hilariousness of this all…. I get an inkling feeling it’s like a shitty version of the “Chinese Flower Campaign”. And Elon is getting long knived.
Just my 2c, did time in the us army, born in communist Romania. I heard stories of dumb shit like this at the top but the immense police state between him and you doing the disappearing.
I think it’s important to remember that many other republicans and oligarchs are involved in the attempt to dismantle our democracy and selfishly accrue more money and power, not just trump and musk.
I wonder a bit. If Trump had pulled Doge kids from fed orgs (which…should be a no brainer if there is really an absence of faith in Musk), or if Elon banned Trump and his right wing echo chamber from bullying people about the bill on Twitter…maybe I’d think more that it’s real.
Unlikely. They’re both too stupid to be consistent in acting, and this type of falling out is too common when malignant narcissists have to share territory.
I’m not following it closely but this has been my theory all along. Musk freaked out when Tesla’s board was reportedly looking to replace him. Since then, he’s been seriously trying to un-do the damage he did to Tesla’s name. And maybe he thinks a good old fashioned Trump feud would do the trick? The feud escalated sharply and surprisingly but that could be because neither side knows how to gently disagree.
I doubt it. Tesla’s stock was held aloft by the promise of corruption. Now, libs, leftists, conservatives, and reactionary lunatics all hate Musk and everything he touches. There’s no upside and so no incentive.
Not a performance. Tesla stock crash not a performance. Disagreeing with Trump show no respect. Trump can’t have insubordination this isn’t a performance
As dumb as this already is, if it’s a performance it’s a dumb one. Lets go over the ways:
Elon Musk implies he has read the Epstein files, and that Trump is in them. Meaning he also admits that he willingly worked for/with a pdf file and kept their secret…until it cost him money.
Elon Musk while as the head of DOGE kicked thousands of people off assistance paid for by taxes, and then when a budget came around that cut tax credit for EVs and put less money in his business ventures (that is to say, doing to him what he did to others) he crashed out.
Donald Trump either has to sue him for defamation, or release the Epstein files and failure to do either looks awful.
Elon Musk lost more money today that nearly anyone in history (and is still the richest man in the world.)
If it’s all just a performance, Elon just labelled himself a opportunistic sex crime forgiver and Donald Trump just had to yet again distance himself from a terrible staffing job he did all to what benefit? If they wanted to just release the files, Trump is the Executive of the Executive. He can declassify it all and post it on TroofSocial right now and doesn’t need the performance.
If they were trying to distract us from something else this probably the worst way to do it because surely anything sort of WW3 isn’t as bad as this for both of their social credit/standing with the people.
I think it’s the equivalent to the last time you read Facebook and saw someone from your past openly have drama for the sake of showing everyone that someone is right or wrong, stronger or weaker, ego massaging. Twitter is not your diary, and it’s as cute as it is embarrassing for you to fight in public like arguing in a grocery store, but higher stakes. The bar is lowered and shows a genuine lack of awareness
Neither of these two people are literate or intelligent enough on social behavior to pull it off so honestly. Unless of course they both agreed to just, fucking hate each others guts, and then agreed to grit and smile a year from now and do some sort of make up, but again. I think they are just too bottom of the barrel for charisma and intellect to pull that off, because they’d never look past the hate.
It is not impossible that Trump and Musk are performing some kind of scheme. However, I think it is highly improbable. Nothing in Musk or Trump’s past behavior has me convinced that they are capable of multi-level scheming. On top of the fact they have both consistently demonstrated an inability to do so, I do not believe they possess the requisite skills. Multi-level schemes require empathy skills to comprehend the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of the intended mark and to predict them accurately. I have seen no evidence that Musk or Trump possess those skills nor consider them worth developing.
Even in the improbable event that this is a scheme, it will fail to play as they intend, because they lack the talents necessary to predict people’s actions.
There is a simpler explanation for why two petulant, impulsive dipshits are behaving this way than that they are incredibly bright and forward thinking.
man can someone TLDR this whole feud for me? I keep hearing about it happening but when I google I just a bunch of scattered news articles that are hard to follow
Possible, but the old adage about the simplest solution being correct probably applies. It’s most likely Musk doesn’t like losing money, Tesla is sinking, it’s base is left leaning and he’s trying to win them back.
It’s both performance and real. Performance is at the heart of everything that both of these people do. But that doesn’t make it any less real. There is no substantive difference between performance and reality for these people, especially for Trump but also to a lesser extent for Elon. Neither of them determine what they say based on what is accurate or productive. They determine what they say based on the brand image they are trying to create for themselves, and based on how they imagine that the things that they say will influence the intended audience in terms of tribal dynamics.
That doesn’t mean it is a coordinated performance. Each man is orchestrating their own performance according to their own perceived self interest.
It is performative to “reform” Elmo’s image. It’s not working. It will be real when there’s something substantive. Trump and others have unilaterally closed departments, fired people, ended funding, and otherwise hampered multi billion dollar programs. “Don’t make fun of me or I’ll cut your funding.” Is exactly all you need to know about how serious this is. He wouldn’t say it. He would just do it. If Elmo wanted, he could reveal actual information and bail to nearly any other country. But he’s not really trying to hurt Trump either.
I said shortly after the inauguration that by the end of the year one of Trump or Musk would be dead ‘mysteriously’ by the end of the year at the hands of the other (not immediately provable), and that is looking even more likely now.
I thought it was for sure stock manipulation when it broke out yesterday, but im not so sure after Musk tweetet that the “Trump Tariffs will cause a recession later this year”.
I think it’s absolute insanity that people still think Trump is playing 4D chess. He is a narcissist and an idiot, and so is Musk. This was always the most likely outcome of this ‘relationship’…which is why so many people predicted it. Not everything is a grand conspiracy.
All these logical explanations for Trump’s behaviour are just people projecting their own intelligence and sanity on him.
“The Russians’ have blackmail material on Trump.” “Trump is crashing the market to bet on it.” “The fights are staged.” Etc.
All too logical. The answer is simpler. Trump is an incurious, semi literate narcissist, thoroughly manipulated by Russia and the far right, with clear signs of cognitive decline. Far too many Conservative high ranking members of his cabinet have said so. No need to look for hidden schemes. Right now, Trump broke up with his buddy Elon and is throwing a tantrum that will further accelerate the decline of America’s space program. Yet another pillar of US hegemony dismantled in a few short months, with no resistance from the so called “Establishment.”
Both of them love the spotlight. They know how to get people talking. And let’s be real, drama equals clicks. Every tweet, every little jab fuels the news cycle. Keeps both their names trending. Plus, they’re not exactly strangers to playing both sides when it benefits them. One minute it’s shade, the next it’s mutual respect.
Very likely. The only thing that would change my view is if we see trump take concrete steps to deport musk (and not just saying he is); and musk specifically releasing information on trump and banning him on twitter (and not just claiming he is).
If twitter starts fact-checking again.
In all likelihood, they will milk this performance past midterms.
Definitely not from Trump’s side, but Elon could be deluded to think that he can win back the respect of the progressives he’s alienated, if he attacks Trump.
The chances of that are pretty slim. They’re both man babies with no ability to self-regulate. It’s two toddlers in the sandbox unaware (and unconcerned) that all the other kids can see them throwing cat turds at each other.
It was an inevitability, and the only question was how long the two would last before it happened. That and how entertaining and explosive the damage would be. They are both incompetent fools.
Nope. See, what you’re forgetting is that Trump and Musk are both morons. These are not 5-D chess players. If it’s more complicated than “gimme that, it’s mine!” then you can bet they didn’t come up with it.
So if we speculate that it is such a ploy, and it wasn’t their idea, then the next question is “who does any of this serve?” If you’re a “Red-Caesar” right-wing puppetmaster bureaucrat, pulling the strings, how is this serving your goals? Is this working to increase your base’s confidence in great leader Trump? Is a drama queen slap fight projecting an image of American power and authority across the globe? No, and no.
Nope. I don’t buy any of it. This is not some master plan. You know what this is? You elect a reality TV star, and you get a reality TV show. Petulant bullshit is the only thing Trump has ever really excelled at. And he just can’t stay away from it.
Regardless of what the endgame would be, the feud between them has shown that Trump is NOT invincible.
Trump yells at Supreme Court Justices, he orders to drag out families by the hair without mandate etc. He has positioned himself as the Supreme King, but the feud between Elon and Trump shows that Trump is a mere mortal. Something that he has tried to avoid showing in his narcissistic rage.
Furthermore MAGAs are very simple minded, they can’t let this go anytime soon. They will hold a fierce grudge against Elon and all of his businesses for a long long time.
✅ Both sides benefit from attention
Trump thrives on being in the media cycle constantly, and Musk benefits when engagement on X goes up — and this fight is giving them both headline after headline.
✅ No fundamental ideological split
They’re not fighting over something that would make them true long-term enemies (like fundamentally opposite worldviews). Musk is criticizing Trump’s “spending bill” and Trump is retaliating personally — but their core political and business interests still largely align.
✅ History of transactional relationship
They’ve supported each other when it suited them and clashed when it was convenient before. There’s no deep personal loyalty or animosity — more of a “frenemy” dynamic.
✅ Distracts from other problems
Trump is facing legal issues and legislative pushback; Musk is dealing with X’s declining ad revenue and ongoing controversies. A public spat pulls attention elsewhere.
✅ No private confirmation of real hostility
Usually, when powerful people really fall out, you hear about backchannel communications breaking down or insiders confirming it’s personal. So far, there’s no solid evidence this is more than performative.
I don’t hold Elon or Trump in high enough esteem to think they are playing 4D chess. This exactly matches both of their petty personalities, which we’ve seen on display countless times before.
I think the only performance aspect of this is Musk pretending he has any actual problem with anything Trump was doing. He’s just trying to ditch Trump to salvage his own shattered reputation, but his brain is too ketamine addled to have any kind of understanding of how badly he is actually perceived, and that this will not save him.
When I see noise like this I immediately think, what else is happening in the world they are desperate to distract our attention from? It seems very performative especially from a president.
I think it’s hard for humans to accept the universe for the beautiful chaotic mess that it is, and we try to find meaning, patterns, and reasons for everything. Despite their wealth and success, Trump and Musk are too stupid and deranged to play checkers, let alone 4d chess.
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Definitely not, their relationship was bound to blow up. Elon was hated by Republicans and even trumps cabinet. They even understood thay elon was actively dragging down trumps popularity.
Not to mention that trump and Elon has beefed before. And Elons ego combined the gery common autistic trait taking things extremely seriously when wronged, which he has done multiple times before, made when he was eventually kicked out ofc he would crash out
Oh, I definitely think it’s a ruse.
I don’t think so. Both have fragile egos and are vengeful.
Is Musk stupid enough be believe that Trump will remember at 4am it is just a “performance” and not get pissed that he got called out?
They are both greedy, petulant children throwing tantrums because each didn’t get what he wanted. The only acting they’re doing is acting totally in character. 🤷🏻♀️
You don’t call a guy out for being on the Epstein list if you’re performing and trumps in on it. No way Trump wants anything to do with that.
I don’t think so because once you accuse Trump of being a friend of Epsteins there is no going back. They both are just totally obsessed with money way more than their liking for humanity.
We all knew it was coming, but it happened so quickly that I still doubted it was the real deal – but now they’ve gone and publicly thrown down. With how fragile both their egos are, I can’t imagine it being fake. Neither would ever be able to emotionally handle those kind of insults/threats being tossed around even if it was pretend.
Don’t get distracted. The conflict is not Trump v. Musk, it’s Trump v. the USA.
You still believe that Musk exist? How cutely naive…
It’s a clown show, so in that sense it is a performance.
You mean what are the chances of two developmentally delayed narcissists eventually falling out?
I just said to my partner that im not convinced they’re not just doing it for the views.
They’re shameless. All they care is that you’re watching.
Be cool if it turns out to be real tho 🙏
It all started with a guy who usually wears a full face of makeup flaunting a black eye to every news outlet in the world from the West Wing, where there’s a makeup team on duty every day.
So, yeah, I’d say it’s staged. Linda McMahon didn’t get her job because she’s an experienced educator, you know?
I think the “it’s all a facade/ a plan” idea is from Russian/Chinese troll bot profiles.
Each time you see a post say “it’s all fake,” check the profile.
Hope they both lose.
They’re not that smart.
Trumplethinskin would never left himself be questioned or associated with the Epstein list. Nah.
It doesn’t really change anything. They were the enemy of the people before and they are still the enemy of the people now
I might have thought it was as fake as the “assassination attempts”, but when the Muskrat pulled the Epstein card that’s when I knew they did not come to play.
They’re narcissists, everything you’ve ever seen them do is a performance
I don’t think it’s staged, for two reasons. One, it’s costing Elon billions. Tesla’s stock (which is where most of his money is) took a huge hit today. Why would he ever agree to play along? Secondly, I don’t think either of them is competent enough to pull it off.
I do wonder if it’s a big smokescreen for some super shitty next step.
Exceedingly unlikely. Trump is a malignant narcissist. There is no way he’s going to agree to play a part in something that makes him look bad.
The only thing I can think of, is how many hours it’s been since the Planatir database contract came out?
How else do you distract from a full nationwide database during an authoritarian regime growing? That’s fucking terrifying, but most are focused on this.
So it’s prolly distracting from that, and cause I don’t mind the hilariousness of this all…. I get an inkling feeling it’s like a shitty version of the “Chinese Flower Campaign”. And Elon is getting long knived.
Just my 2c, did time in the us army, born in communist Romania. I heard stories of dumb shit like this at the top but the immense police state between him and you doing the disappearing.
Musk lost how many billions today? No performance.
Neither of them is even remotely clever enough to pull something like that off.
No way in hell
I think it’s important to remember that many other republicans and oligarchs are involved in the attempt to dismantle our democracy and selfishly accrue more money and power, not just trump and musk.
I wonder a bit. If Trump had pulled Doge kids from fed orgs (which…should be a no brainer if there is really an absence of faith in Musk), or if Elon banned Trump and his right wing echo chamber from bullying people about the bill on Twitter…maybe I’d think more that it’s real.
It’s not a performance, but it’s not real either. It’s wrestling. Once things get stale, they’ll team up again. They have a common enemy: us.
What IS certain is that neither of them are suddenly going to turn into a good guy.
Neither of them are smart enough to pull it off, and both are such ego-maniacal narcissists they couldn’t feign it even if they wanted to.
I think it’s more of two raging narcissists who can’t let go of a spotlight than a distraction from how fucked up our government is right now.
…but our government IS fucked up right now, and we shouldn’t lose sight of that.
Unlikely. They’re both too stupid to be consistent in acting, and this type of falling out is too common when malignant narcissists have to share territory.
I think people need trying to make everything into a conspiracy theory. There is no way it benefits the Republican party for them to be fighting.
I’m not ruling it out. but its possible that its legit with musk also bashing the bill thats trying to pass senate right now.
It can’t be a good look for any senator to support trumps bill when “presidential pedo” is fresh in everyone’s minds again.
I would have thought that too but pulling up the epstein example!
100%.
Don’t forget Trump did a stint in WWE. He knows the deal. The art of the deal.
It’s not. Tesla stock tanked. The general public now realizes that there is a very real chance Trump is a pedo.
And the BBB is getting trashed in the process.
The performance theory is MAGA cope trying to frame it as some 4D chess horseshit
Reddit testing the waters
Just two deranged maniacs going at it. 4th grade school yard shit.
Trump un-real reality-TV continues at WH & Musk hits!
I’m not following it closely but this has been my theory all along. Musk freaked out when Tesla’s board was reportedly looking to replace him. Since then, he’s been seriously trying to un-do the damage he did to Tesla’s name. And maybe he thinks a good old fashioned Trump feud would do the trick? The feud escalated sharply and surprisingly but that could be because neither side knows how to gently disagree.
That’s a hard no
Everything is wrestling. You just didn’t know it yet.
Brother.
A tiff between two grifters over whose turn it is to steal.
I doubt it. Tesla’s stock was held aloft by the promise of corruption. Now, libs, leftists, conservatives, and reactionary lunatics all hate Musk and everything he touches. There’s no upside and so no incentive.
Not a performance. Tesla stock crash not a performance. Disagreeing with Trump show no respect. Trump can’t have insubordination this isn’t a performance
These sheep will never see the real games being played. Ever. They lack the intelligence.
Neither of them is emotionally secure enough to have someone insult them as part of a scheme. They can’t hack anything.
Neither of them are smart enough or good enough actors to do it as a bit.
It could still all get swept under the rug, nothing ever happens etc, but it’s genuine.
Most likely
he will use the feud as an excuse to cancel the military birthday parade and claim that will save millions of millions of taxpayer money
Absolutely not.
How would either side benefit from this?
Trump said he forced out Musk and would drop government contracts, that makes Musk look bad and harms faith in his companies.
Musk said Trump is in epsteins’ files, Trump’s bill would send us into a recession, and that Trump would be impeached.
How does either side benefit from this exchange?
I don’t give a fuck. Make them all go away.
As dumb as this already is, if it’s a performance it’s a dumb one. Lets go over the ways:
Elon Musk implies he has read the Epstein files, and that Trump is in them. Meaning he also admits that he willingly worked for/with a pdf file and kept their secret…until it cost him money.
Elon Musk while as the head of DOGE kicked thousands of people off assistance paid for by taxes, and then when a budget came around that cut tax credit for EVs and put less money in his business ventures (that is to say, doing to him what he did to others) he crashed out.
Donald Trump either has to sue him for defamation, or release the Epstein files and failure to do either looks awful.
Elon Musk lost more money today that nearly anyone in history (and is still the richest man in the world.)
If it’s all just a performance, Elon just labelled himself a opportunistic sex crime forgiver and Donald Trump just had to yet again distance himself from a terrible staffing job he did all to what benefit? If they wanted to just release the files, Trump is the Executive of the Executive. He can declassify it all and post it on TroofSocial right now and doesn’t need the performance.
If they were trying to distract us from something else this probably the worst way to do it because surely anything sort of WW3 isn’t as bad as this for both of their social credit/standing with the people.
I think it’s the equivalent to the last time you read Facebook and saw someone from your past openly have drama for the sake of showing everyone that someone is right or wrong, stronger or weaker, ego massaging. Twitter is not your diary, and it’s as cute as it is embarrassing for you to fight in public like arguing in a grocery store, but higher stakes. The bar is lowered and shows a genuine lack of awareness
They aren’t playing 4D chess, they’re having their burn book moment.
200%
Trump is not capable of planning anything which would humiliate himself.
Neither of these two people are literate or intelligent enough on social behavior to pull it off so honestly. Unless of course they both agreed to just, fucking hate each others guts, and then agreed to grit and smile a year from now and do some sort of make up, but again. I think they are just too bottom of the barrel for charisma and intellect to pull that off, because they’d never look past the hate.
Everyone forgot Elon knew Ghislaine Maxwell? The guy who has been spending the past several months around a manic and unrestrained donald?
He absolutely knows more than the public, and he might know more than is even in the files, assuming they are complete and intact.
This is public blackmail, and it’s going to work.
I discount that notion completely. Musk literally outed Trump for being in the Epstein files.
This is a collision between two billionaire manbabies with egos the size of Mt Everest. Some people predicted this was inevitable.
It is not impossible that Trump and Musk are performing some kind of scheme. However, I think it is highly improbable. Nothing in Musk or Trump’s past behavior has me convinced that they are capable of multi-level scheming. On top of the fact they have both consistently demonstrated an inability to do so, I do not believe they possess the requisite skills. Multi-level schemes require empathy skills to comprehend the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of the intended mark and to predict them accurately. I have seen no evidence that Musk or Trump possess those skills nor consider them worth developing.
Even in the improbable event that this is a scheme, it will fail to play as they intend, because they lack the talents necessary to predict people’s actions.
It’s both a performance and it’s real. They just perform characters and aren’t real humans. What’s it called? Larping?
There is a simpler explanation for why two petulant, impulsive dipshits are behaving this way than that they are incredibly bright and forward thinking.
Zero.
Beyond being the obviously inevitable result of two massive egos occupying the same room, this split is too big, too public and too nasty to be fake.
One of them has to “win” and they’ll go scorched Earth to do so. I personally fucking love these two idiots savage each other.
It’s all been a performance.
It’s too believable. They are not good enough to fool anyone.
Maybe not intentionally because they are big stupid egos. But I guarantee the whole thing serves their mutual interests. By that I mean billionaires.
man can someone TLDR this whole feud for me? I keep hearing about it happening but when I google I just a bunch of scattered news articles that are hard to follow
Possible, but the old adage about the simplest solution being correct probably applies. It’s most likely Musk doesn’t like losing money, Tesla is sinking, it’s base is left leaning and he’s trying to win them back.
It definitely is
It’s both performance and real. Performance is at the heart of everything that both of these people do. But that doesn’t make it any less real. There is no substantive difference between performance and reality for these people, especially for Trump but also to a lesser extent for Elon. Neither of them determine what they say based on what is accurate or productive. They determine what they say based on the brand image they are trying to create for themselves, and based on how they imagine that the things that they say will influence the intended audience in terms of tribal dynamics.
That doesn’t mean it is a coordinated performance. Each man is orchestrating their own performance according to their own perceived self interest.
It was my gut reaction but I’ve turned into a very cynical person so I don’t trust my gut reaction as much as once did.
Everything in politics is a performance to distract from climate change
Epstein tweet puts that conspiracy to an end. Thats worse shot that the one that sliced his ear.
It benefits each of them to distance themselves from each other. It is performance art. Nothing more.
I wonder. trump whipsaws so it’s impossible to know for sure.
I’d say no performance as an obvious outcome from these two.
I was thinking performative but I don’t know what they’re trying to flood the news for. Any revelation coming out?
Nahh, it got too personal. It’s definitely legit.
Naah. It’s not like this shit is unexpected. It was always going to happen, only question was how fast and in what way.
The idea that it’s a performance is just classic right-wing cope.
They always do this. No matter what happens they just pretend it’s part of some genius master plan.
Small minded children perform all the time.
It’s exactly what I thought
It is performative to “reform” Elmo’s image. It’s not working. It will be real when there’s something substantive. Trump and others have unilaterally closed departments, fired people, ended funding, and otherwise hampered multi billion dollar programs. “Don’t make fun of me or I’ll cut your funding.” Is exactly all you need to know about how serious this is. He wouldn’t say it. He would just do it. If Elmo wanted, he could reveal actual information and bail to nearly any other country. But he’s not really trying to hurt Trump either.
Doubtful given how heated it is and what’s been said.
No way it’s a performance. Neither has the discipline or emotional self-regulation to manage that.
It was always going to end like this.
I said shortly after the inauguration that by the end of the year one of Trump or Musk would be dead ‘mysteriously’ by the end of the year at the hands of the other (not immediately provable), and that is looking even more likely now.
What the hell are you talking about? You think that they would do that? How much tv are you watching?
Trump would never participate in anything that deliberately made him look bad. Elon had a meltdown.
zero. zero percent chance.
It’s that and it’s real because they’re both big crybabies.
I thought it was for sure stock manipulation when it broke out yesterday, but im not so sure after Musk tweetet that the “Trump Tariffs will cause a recession later this year”.
No. To what end? They guys are both just narcissistic maniacs. There’s no strategy, only chaos.
I think it’s absolute insanity that people still think Trump is playing 4D chess. He is a narcissist and an idiot, and so is Musk. This was always the most likely outcome of this ‘relationship’…which is why so many people predicted it. Not everything is a grand conspiracy.
All these logical explanations for Trump’s behaviour are just people projecting their own intelligence and sanity on him.
“The Russians’ have blackmail material on Trump.” “Trump is crashing the market to bet on it.” “The fights are staged.” Etc.
All too logical. The answer is simpler. Trump is an incurious, semi literate narcissist, thoroughly manipulated by Russia and the far right, with clear signs of cognitive decline. Far too many Conservative high ranking members of his cabinet have said so. No need to look for hidden schemes. Right now, Trump broke up with his buddy Elon and is throwing a tantrum that will further accelerate the decline of America’s space program. Yet another pillar of US hegemony dismantled in a few short months, with no resistance from the so called “Establishment.”
It’s a distraction from Palantir’s new agreement
Both of them love the spotlight. They know how to get people talking. And let’s be real, drama equals clicks. Every tweet, every little jab fuels the news cycle. Keeps both their names trending. Plus, they’re not exactly strangers to playing both sides when it benefits them. One minute it’s shade, the next it’s mutual respect.
Everyone saw this coming.
Very likely. The only thing that would change my view is if we see trump take concrete steps to deport musk (and not just saying he is); and musk specifically releasing information on trump and banning him on twitter (and not just claiming he is).
If twitter starts fact-checking again.
In all likelihood, they will milk this performance past midterms.
Please…everything doesn’t have to be a conspiracy. It really doesn’t.
Definitely not from Trump’s side, but Elon could be deluded to think that he can win back the respect of the progressives he’s alienated, if he attacks Trump.
It is not performance.
They are into it emotionally.
But it is not TRUTH. As they don’t really believe in anything they say.
They simply don’t care about reality
They can by friends again in two weeks. Unlikely but not impossible
Trump doesn’t have that in him.
The chances of that are pretty slim. They’re both man babies with no ability to self-regulate. It’s two toddlers in the sandbox unaware (and unconcerned) that all the other kids can see them throwing cat turds at each other.
It was an inevitability, and the only question was how long the two would last before it happened. That and how entertaining and explosive the damage would be. They are both incompetent fools.
Nope. See, what you’re forgetting is that Trump and Musk are both morons. These are not 5-D chess players. If it’s more complicated than “gimme that, it’s mine!” then you can bet they didn’t come up with it.
So if we speculate that it is such a ploy, and it wasn’t their idea, then the next question is “who does any of this serve?” If you’re a “Red-Caesar” right-wing puppetmaster bureaucrat, pulling the strings, how is this serving your goals? Is this working to increase your base’s confidence in great leader Trump? Is a drama queen slap fight projecting an image of American power and authority across the globe? No, and no.
Nope. I don’t buy any of it. This is not some master plan. You know what this is? You elect a reality TV star, and you get a reality TV show. Petulant bullshit is the only thing Trump has ever really excelled at. And he just can’t stay away from it.
This is how far we have fallen down the rabbit hole, when something that was completely and totally predictable is being called out as “not real.”
Regardless of what the endgame would be, the feud between them has shown that Trump is NOT invincible.
Trump yells at Supreme Court Justices, he orders to drag out families by the hair without mandate etc. He has positioned himself as the Supreme King, but the feud between Elon and Trump shows that Trump is a mere mortal. Something that he has tried to avoid showing in his narcissistic rage.
Furthermore MAGAs are very simple minded, they can’t let this go anytime soon. They will hold a fierce grudge against Elon and all of his businesses for a long long time.
6D chess move, it is not.
I absolutely have been giving this idea plenty of consideration.
Why it looks staged:
✅ Both sides benefit from attention
Trump thrives on being in the media cycle constantly, and Musk benefits when engagement on X goes up — and this fight is giving them both headline after headline.
✅ No fundamental ideological split
They’re not fighting over something that would make them true long-term enemies (like fundamentally opposite worldviews). Musk is criticizing Trump’s “spending bill” and Trump is retaliating personally — but their core political and business interests still largely align.
✅ History of transactional relationship
They’ve supported each other when it suited them and clashed when it was convenient before. There’s no deep personal loyalty or animosity — more of a “frenemy” dynamic.
✅ Distracts from other problems
Trump is facing legal issues and legislative pushback; Musk is dealing with X’s declining ad revenue and ongoing controversies. A public spat pulls attention elsewhere.
✅ No private confirmation of real hostility
Usually, when powerful people really fall out, you hear about backchannel communications breaking down or insiders confirming it’s personal. So far, there’s no solid evidence this is more than performative.
I think Musk is panicking because his wealth got hit. He probably thought he could turn people onto teslas.
Instead he lost the left and now his mask is off and i hope no one forgets it. Leave him to rot.
I don’t hold Elon or Trump in high enough esteem to think they are playing 4D chess. This exactly matches both of their petty personalities, which we’ve seen on display countless times before.
I think the only performance aspect of this is Musk pretending he has any actual problem with anything Trump was doing. He’s just trying to ditch Trump to salvage his own shattered reputation, but his brain is too ketamine addled to have any kind of understanding of how badly he is actually perceived, and that this will not save him.
When I see noise like this I immediately think, what else is happening in the world they are desperate to distract our attention from? It seems very performative especially from a president.
If it is, it isn’t for Trump. Dude can’t handle an insult, joking or not.
DJT’s too conceited to play along with getting manhandled publicly.
It doesn’t matter. They both still did everything they did.
100% performance art
I think it’s hard for humans to accept the universe for the beautiful chaotic mess that it is, and we try to find meaning, patterns, and reasons for everything. Despite their wealth and success, Trump and Musk are too stupid and deranged to play checkers, let alone 4d chess.