The President from El Salvador most likely made that statement at the request of Trump. This way the Trump administration gets to act like they aren’t responsible while still being able to violate civil rights for brown people.
The man is not an American citizen, he is an El Salvadorian citizen who applied for asylum in America. This isn’t a situation of an American not being returned, but instead a non-citizen being kept by its country of Origin. He should never have been removed to El Salvador in the first place but now that he is there he is technically an El Salvadorian citizen.
AFAIK, no american citizens have been sent to El Salvador so far. Trump has commented that he would be supportive of it, but he says a lot of crazy shit that he later denies.
To be clear, I do not think that what is going on is ok. It definitely is not, imo, but let’s be clear that Trump has yet to send any citizens to CECOT as of now.
Our attorney general basically said, “this guy’s here illegally and a terrorist gang member, are you going to send him back?” To which the president of el salvador replied (in summary), “how could i smuggle him back into your nation, we can’t do anything illegal and wouldn’t want to spread terrorism”.
So basically Trump’s cronies are telling el salvadore returning him would be illegal despite the supreme court saying it isn’t. El salvadore is then using our government’s position as justification for saying they won’t break the law by “smuggling in” the person we are paying them to imprison for us. It’s the most insane and malevolent kind of doublespeak used to justify ignoring the courts and disappearing someone who’s never been convicted of any crime.
The executive branch would need to request their return first. US court orders don’t have any effect whatsoever outside of the US.
And so far I’ve read, the one in case was from El Salvador. So even if the US requests their return, El Salvador could well deny it – just like the US doesn’t extradite their own citizens.
I think they are saying at this time they won’t return their own citizen to the US but there is a little screw you US courts thrown in. The US could go down and pick him up if El Salvador agrees to release him. But I think this man is really fkd.
What are we talking about is it American citizens or foreign nationals? If it is a foreign national our courts do not have authority over other nations. Why would El Salvador not return Americans? This post honestly doesn’t make any sense
Are any of the deportees still alive? El Salvador accepts them then ans then wipes them out per Trump’s wink and a nod? Much cheaper than housing them for years on end.
The man who was incorrectly deported to El Salvador was not an American citizen. He was here legally, but is a citizen of El Salvador, which is why he was deported there.
This is misinformation. First, he was saying he can’t force the U.S. executive branch, i.e. their immigration and customs officers, to accept an El Salvadoran citizen back into the U.S., which is obvious. Second, he’s not an American, he’s Salvadoran — how could El Salvador force one of their own citizens to be accepted by another country? Trump couldn’t even force Colombia to accept Colombian citizens back until they allowed it.
First this is so fucked up and I don’t believe it was in error, but I need to clarify something. The person in question was a citizen of El Salvador who had asylum in the United States. It was illegal to remove him because he hadn’t done anything to violate the terms of his protected status. This is still crazy fucked up and he’s not the only who has been falsely accused of being a gang member and removed without due process despite having legal protected status in the United States. This will likely be Trump’s go to move from here on out.
Huh? It won’t return an El Salvador citizen. Garcia is not a US citizen. El Salvador is a sovereign country, asserting sovereignty over its own citizens.
I saw some disturbing images from the prison. I wouldn’t be surprised if the costs are kept so ‘low’ for American investment because they are straight up executing many of these prisoners.
It probably means El Salvador won’t pay to send somebody back to the USA. As I understand it, the Trump administration is saying they won’t pay for bringing him back either. I suspect a third-party charitable group will pay for the airfare and also the legal expenses for bringing a case against the federal government in the case of the Maryland resident.
No, it means the guy was killed. We already have satellite images of the camp with a corpse pile in the yard. No one getting sent there is coming back. Simple as.
If nothing happens, and no one does anything, it will get worse. He will start deporting people there left and right. Trump already told him on a hot mic to build 5 more prisons for American criminals.
What the U.S. court ruled however is that even though Kilmar was removable (ie deportable), that because there was fear of persecution, the U.S. wasn’t going to deport him directly back to El Salvador. That didn’t mean that the U.S. was allowing him to stay in the U.S. It just meant that the U.S. wasn’t intending to send him back to El Salvador.
So the Trump admin sending him back to El Salvador was an error.
But the issue now is that he is an El Salvadoran in El Salvador and the U.S. doesn’t actually have the legal means to ask El Salvador to send back a citizen of El Salvador.
He also still had his U.S. asylum request rejected back in 2019, and that hasn’t changed which technically means that he’s not admissible into the U.S.
Can’t return a dead man. I mean, they could, but this works because Americans can be deported and disappeared and everyone still shows up to work on Monday like good little worker ants.
Hanes and Fruit of the Loom both source some of their products from El Salvador. I call for a full boycott until El Salvador returns this innocent man.
This is just a preliminary to help Trump purge the legislative and judicial branches of people that would stop him from going full gulag on American citizens that dare to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.
This is Trumps admin absolving themselves of responsibility. If there is any future investigations, they’ll blame the death camps on the 3rd world dictator, they were powerless to stop.
But our countries are such good friends, surely if such a good negotiator like trump gets in the same room as his good friend they can work something out? 🙄
The country as you know it is dead. It’ll be some time before your minds truly comprehend it. You’ll wake up one day and realize it’s 2035 and he’s still there 😂😂
I’m just reminded how Trump negotiated to get some basketball players released from China, then said he should have left them in jail for being ungrateful.
During the 90s, I worked with a woman who fled from El Salvador about 10 years earlier. She didn’t say much about it until one night we went out and she had a bit to drink. She told me about losing family and friends to death squads and her narrow escape. That’s what we’re in bed with now.
It means the White House isn’t facilitating the return. Full stop. If rump really wanted this guy returned, he would make El Salvador do it. There are many actions he could take, starting with no longer sending people there, pulling back any payments he’s already made to El Salvador, imposing economic sanctions, etc. He’s not even remotely talking about anything like that. The president of El Salvador has just agreed to take the heat.
The way I understand it, POTUS is the person that you deal with when it comes to this stuff. Since POTUS says he doesn’t want the guy back, and POES is dealing directly with POTUS, then this means POES does not have to return the guy. If POTUS asks for the guy back, then POES will return the guy.
The person you are most likely referencing is not an American. He’s a citizen of El Salvador and he was returned to his home country. How can any court, let alone the Supreme Court, order the president to unilaterally take a citizen of another country from their home country and return them to the United States? The president of El Salvador has also indicated that he will not surrender his citizen to the United States.
Yes, it is an act of war by the US President against his own people. With no enforcement mechanism, the Supreme Court’s ruling has proved powerless. Resist.
It’s an admission of incompetence, criminal ngeligence, or both by the Trump administration. The administration didn’t legally have the power to send them there, they have a legal responsibility to do everything in their power to get them back.
If they don’t have the power to return them I would seriously be questioning whether US citizens overseas should be subject to federal taxation.
El Salvador is doing what was asked of them. If the Trump administration said to return those people, they would.
All around – we are well into authoritarianism now, all Trump needs to do is consolidate and normalize and America will be well and truly lost.
No. It means the El Salvador government is collaborating with Donald Trump, in his illegal and unconstitutional actions. It’s Donald Trump who has committed an act of war against the American People.
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The US isn’t trying to get them back, either, so if it’s an act of war, it’s just as much the US’s fault.
The opposite, they are doing Trump a favor, giving him ‘cover’.
It would be if our “president” wasn’t in full support of deporting legal citizens
This isn’t an act of war, it’s an act of dictatorship
lol no, the court demanded he be returned, the executive branch won’t let that happen, and congress doesn’t give a flying fuck
The truth is these people are being executed and trump is using El Salvador to keep his hands clean.
it’s the end of the republic is what it is
We’re paying them millions of dollars to run the gulag.
They’d return our legal residents if the President wanted them back. He doesn’t.
Trumps inabilty to get back people just shows how weak his administration really is. (just play along. Trump hates it when we say shit like this)
Oh my sweet summer child.
The Executive branch supports this, the cruelty is not a bug but the function of the program.
The President from El Salvador most likely made that statement at the request of Trump. This way the Trump administration gets to act like they aren’t responsible while still being able to violate civil rights for brown people.
The man is not an American citizen, he is an El Salvadorian citizen who applied for asylum in America. This isn’t a situation of an American not being returned, but instead a non-citizen being kept by its country of Origin. He should never have been removed to El Salvador in the first place but now that he is there he is technically an El Salvadorian citizen.
AFAIK, no american citizens have been sent to El Salvador so far. Trump has commented that he would be supportive of it, but he says a lot of crazy shit that he later denies.
To be clear, I do not think that what is going on is ok. It definitely is not, imo, but let’s be clear that Trump has yet to send any citizens to CECOT as of now.
My guess is the dude is already dead. So yea, they can’t find him or bring him back without being an even bigger issue.
Our attorney general basically said, “this guy’s here illegally and a terrorist gang member, are you going to send him back?” To which the president of el salvador replied (in summary), “how could i smuggle him back into your nation, we can’t do anything illegal and wouldn’t want to spread terrorism”.
So basically Trump’s cronies are telling el salvadore returning him would be illegal despite the supreme court saying it isn’t. El salvadore is then using our government’s position as justification for saying they won’t break the law by “smuggling in” the person we are paying them to imprison for us. It’s the most insane and malevolent kind of doublespeak used to justify ignoring the courts and disappearing someone who’s never been convicted of any crime.
The executive branch would need to request their return first. US court orders don’t have any effect whatsoever outside of the US.
And so far I’ve read, the one in case was from El Salvador. So even if the US requests their return, El Salvador could well deny it – just like the US doesn’t extradite their own citizens.
It means the specific guy is likely dead and they’re trying to save face by appearing tough.
It is an act of war against American citizens, being waged by the American government.
We’re paying them to hold the prisoners we send them. We could get them back if we wanted to, Trump just doesn’t want to.
I think they are saying at this time they won’t return their own citizen to the US but there is a little screw you US courts thrown in. The US could go down and pick him up if El Salvador agrees to release him. But I think this man is really fkd.
What are we talking about is it American citizens or foreign nationals? If it is a foreign national our courts do not have authority over other nations. Why would El Salvador not return Americans? This post honestly doesn’t make any sense
It means they are doing what trump requested and they are being paid off for it.
What Americans? if you mean Kilmar Abrego Garcia he’s not an American citizen, he is a citizen of El Salvador
No, this is the laundering of human bodies. He was only practicing with money before.
It probably means that the prisoner is dead.
It means that something probably happened to this guy and that there is no checks and balances on the American government anymore.
It means that the president of El Salvador made a deal he doesn’t want to talk about.
He isn’t an American he is a citizen of El Salvador.
Are any of the deportees still alive? El Salvador accepts them then ans then wipes them out per Trump’s wink and a nod? Much cheaper than housing them for years on end.
The man who was incorrectly deported to El Salvador was not an American citizen. He was here legally, but is a citizen of El Salvador, which is why he was deported there.
This is misinformation. First, he was saying he can’t force the U.S. executive branch, i.e. their immigration and customs officers, to accept an El Salvadoran citizen back into the U.S., which is obvious. Second, he’s not an American, he’s Salvadoran — how could El Salvador force one of their own citizens to be accepted by another country? Trump couldn’t even force Colombia to accept Colombian citizens back until they allowed it.
Don’t pay him! Trump even knows how to not-pay.
First this is so fucked up and I don’t believe it was in error, but I need to clarify something. The person in question was a citizen of El Salvador who had asylum in the United States. It was illegal to remove him because he hadn’t done anything to violate the terms of his protected status. This is still crazy fucked up and he’s not the only who has been falsely accused of being a gang member and removed without due process despite having legal protected status in the United States. This will likely be Trump’s go to move from here on out.
No, it probably means he’s been to the slaughter house already.
It’s likely a cover up at this point. I doubt he is still breathing
It would definitely be something that needs to be strongly addressed… But not in the current alternate timeline we are living in
Huh? It won’t return an El Salvador citizen. Garcia is not a US citizen. El Salvador is a sovereign country, asserting sovereignty over its own citizens.
He’s not American.
It’s not americans… he is a citizen of el Salvador. Why would the president of el Salvador send one of his citizens to a foreign country?
Scary ass shit we could get taken without getting protected.
While I think this guy needs to be brought back because that is what the courts decided, at what point did he become an American citizen?
https://time.com/7276642/kilmar-albrego-garcia-error-deportation-el-salvador-prison-supreme-court-return-ms-13/
Now let his family sue the shit out of the government.
It means Trump told him that if he’s sent back, we won’t be writing El Salvador big fat checks to run our black ops prisons there.
Not when their president is clearly doing our bidding.
he wasn’t an American citizen.
The guy was not American. What American has been taken to El Salvador?
Which Americans were taken?
Both Presidents should point at each other and say in unison “He won’t let me.”
I saw some disturbing images from the prison. I wouldn’t be surprised if the costs are kept so ‘low’ for American investment because they are straight up executing many of these prisoners.
You can’t return what no longer exists, ask yourself why he’s fighting this one thing so hard.
Was he American? The news says he was an El Salvadoran citizen.
It probably means El Salvador won’t pay to send somebody back to the USA. As I understand it, the Trump administration is saying they won’t pay for bringing him back either. I suspect a third-party charitable group will pay for the airfare and also the legal expenses for bringing a case against the federal government in the case of the Maryland resident.
They’re probably dead, disfigured, or missing.
Yes. Trump is at war with America.
Act of war? Trump is celebrating this.
No, it means the guy was killed. We already have satellite images of the camp with a corpse pile in the yard. No one getting sent there is coming back. Simple as.
If nothing happens, and no one does anything, it will get worse. He will start deporting people there left and right. Trump already told him on a hot mic to build 5 more prisons for American criminals.
Americans?
If you’re referring to Kilmar, he is not an American.
He’s El Salvadoran.
He had applied for asylum in the U.S. in 2019 and his asylum request was denied. You can read it here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.1_3.pdf
What the U.S. court ruled however is that even though Kilmar was removable (ie deportable), that because there was fear of persecution, the U.S. wasn’t going to deport him directly back to El Salvador. That didn’t mean that the U.S. was allowing him to stay in the U.S. It just meant that the U.S. wasn’t intending to send him back to El Salvador.
So the Trump admin sending him back to El Salvador was an error.
But the issue now is that he is an El Salvadoran in El Salvador and the U.S. doesn’t actually have the legal means to ask El Salvador to send back a citizen of El Salvador.
He also still had his U.S. asylum request rejected back in 2019, and that hasn’t changed which technically means that he’s not admissible into the U.S.
What?
He was here legally on protected status. Does that not mean anything to anyone anymore?
An El Salvadorian citizen, I just want to add that.
Can’t return a dead man. I mean, they could, but this works because Americans can be deported and disappeared and everyone still shows up to work on Monday like good little worker ants.
Translation: They are dead so they can’t be returned.
It’s a test to see if they can get away with disappearing people, and they can. So expect a lot more of those to happen.
How would it be an act of war, considering he is a lawful citizen of El Salvador? They are not obligated to send us their citizen.
It’s only an act of was if the US government isn’t involved. It was their idea
Hanes and Fruit of the Loom both source some of their products from El Salvador. I call for a full boycott until El Salvador returns this innocent man.
Their president almost certainly made that statement because Trump asked him to, it’s certainly not an act of war.
This is just a preliminary to help Trump purge the legislative and judicial branches of people that would stop him from going full gulag on American citizens that dare to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.
This is Trumps admin absolving themselves of responsibility. If there is any future investigations, they’ll blame the death camps on the 3rd world dictator, they were powerless to stop.
The guy wasn’t an American citizen. He is a citizen of El Salvador. That is why he is not being returned.
He’s not an American
But our countries are such good friends, surely if such a good negotiator like trump gets in the same room as his good friend they can work something out? 🙄
Cant wait for political dissidents being dissapeared to a foreign torture dungeon.
Dont speak badly of our Dear Leader and you will be okay.
If you hear someone talking badly about Dear Leader, you must report them else you will be guilty by association.
USA is (informally) an authoritarian state, on the way to being a full blown one.
It’s only a declaration of war if it goes against the king… I mean, the presidents personal opinions.
No its not. SCOTUS ordered trump to bring him back but him and the el salvadorian president said no, there is no accountability.
The country as you know it is dead. It’ll be some time before your minds truly comprehend it. You’ll wake up one day and realize it’s 2035 and he’s still there 😂😂
Yes, it’s an act of war. We will be invading soon.
Who upvotes this shit?
I’m just reminded how Trump negotiated to get some basketball players released from China, then said he should have left them in jail for being ungrateful.
During the 90s, I worked with a woman who fled from El Salvador about 10 years earlier. She didn’t say much about it until one night we went out and she had a bit to drink. She told me about losing family and friends to death squads and her narrow escape. That’s what we’re in bed with now.
He’s not an American. He was a lawful resident but not a citizen. There is a difference
It means the White House isn’t facilitating the return. Full stop. If rump really wanted this guy returned, he would make El Salvador do it. There are many actions he could take, starting with no longer sending people there, pulling back any payments he’s already made to El Salvador, imposing economic sanctions, etc. He’s not even remotely talking about anything like that. The president of El Salvador has just agreed to take the heat.
The way I understand it, POTUS is the person that you deal with when it comes to this stuff. Since POTUS says he doesn’t want the guy back, and POES is dealing directly with POTUS, then this means POES does not have to return the guy. If POTUS asks for the guy back, then POES will return the guy.
The person you are most likely referencing is not an American. He’s a citizen of El Salvador and he was returned to his home country. How can any court, let alone the Supreme Court, order the president to unilaterally take a citizen of another country from their home country and return them to the United States? The president of El Salvador has also indicated that he will not surrender his citizen to the United States.
It means most likely those people are dead. At the request of the admin, they’re playing games to avoid having to admit that.
I would really more call it an act of collaborative fascism
What does it mean when the president of the United States wants to send his own citizens to El Salvador death camps?
It’s a death camp. Trump’s Treblinka.
Yes, it is an act of war by the US President against his own people. With no enforcement mechanism, the Supreme Court’s ruling has proved powerless. Resist.
Here is the deal.
Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia does NOT have legal residency.
A previous court ordered that he not be deported. He was deported anyway. The court didn’t grant him legal residency. He is still an illegal alien.
He is a citizen of El Salvador. Once he is there, the El Salvadoran gov’t is receiving money from the USA to house him.
It’s not an act of war.
It’s an admission of incompetence, criminal ngeligence, or both by the Trump administration. The administration didn’t legally have the power to send them there, they have a legal responsibility to do everything in their power to get them back.
If they don’t have the power to return them I would seriously be questioning whether US citizens overseas should be subject to federal taxation.
El Salvador is doing what was asked of them. If the Trump administration said to return those people, they would.
All around – we are well into authoritarianism now, all Trump needs to do is consolidate and normalize and America will be well and truly lost.
He’s technically not American, which makes it super hard to get him back. He’s still a citizen of El Salvador, not a US citizen.
Why would they be forced to deport their own citizen who isn’t a citizen of the country you want them deported to?
It means the American concentration camps are working as designed.
No. It means the El Salvador government is collaborating with Donald Trump, in his illegal and unconstitutional actions. It’s Donald Trump who has committed an act of war against the American People.
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