So I understand it was an event and that wine was needed. But what if being drunk was an earthly desire and that it was a sin. Jesus would have thought to turn wine into water. What would have his reputation been if this was what happened? I mean what’s more amazing water alchemy or wine alchemy one is the most scarce substance in the solar system and one is rotten fermented grapes.
What if Jesus instead turned wine into water.
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Hard to debate as this is impossible either way so…
How do we know for a fact that he wasn’t delusional or schizophrenic, and ever since then it’s been captured by the powers that be and essentially everyone that aligns with this, has been repeating the words of such a character for all this time? Someone today hearing voices in their head and whatnot, just doesn’t hit the same.
I turn it into urine. I’m a miracle maker.
People historically drank fermented wine or beer, because spring, well, or river water was full of microbes that could kill you.
The UK puritans and other religious nut-bags came up with the sinful aspects, only after healthy water initiatives had gone somewhat into effect.
People bathed and crapped in river water, animals pissed in it, parasitic worms lived in it; quite the cocktail, really.
In Tudor times, even the Ladies-in-Waiting were allotted 8 pints of beer a day.
Plus there are many people who say you just get closer to God when you’re drunk.:)
One of the reasons wine was the preferred drink is because it was potable. Water, sorta, wasnt. Turning wine to water probably wouldnt have harmed his reputation in any amount. It would have still been considered a miracle.
I too can turn water to wine
nothing changes
They would crucify him earlier
Is it bottled water because I would trust it better. If Jesus said please drink out of the faucet I would say “what the fuck you want me to drink sink water?”
Weren’t they dying of thirst in the desert? Wine is so hydrating 🤔
What reputation?
Everyone wants to hang with the guy that can turn water into wine, legends are forged, which grow into increasingly improbable myths after he dies and the details fade from living memory, until eventually he becomes the son of God himself.
The guy that turns wine into water though? Nobody wants to hang with him except a few annoying teetotalers, and he’s probably forgotten long before he dies.
Also, what makes you think water is scarce in the solar system? It’s one of the most common substances there is, made from two of the four most common elements in the universe. Mars has enough water just in its ice caps to cover the entire planet 100m deep, and seemingly far, far more in vast oceans deep underground. About half the asteroids in the belt are ice-rich – most famously including Ceres, which is more than 1/3 of the mass of the entire belt. And several of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn have almost as much, or more, liquid water than Earth does. Each.
I’d go so far as to say there’s very possibly enough water in the universe to rival all the non-CHONHe elements combined.
One fun thing about the story is the chief servant calls out that the Jesus wine is top notch. Apparently it was common to serve the good wine up front, and save the worse stuff for later when people were buzzing and didn’t care anymore. The master of the banquet says the wine that Jesus makes from water is the good stuff and they saved the best for last.
“and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
I’m pretty sure we’ve figure it out
He was a carpenter by trade, winemaking was only ever his side hustle
Unless your kidneys and liver are non-functional, any human can pull that trick.
It just takes time, and the resulting water tends to be yellowish.