This political faction tends to openly campaign for “securing the border” or “stopping the boats”, depending what country you’re in. Will this keep them happy? Well, it means banning all future refugee admissions, not banning all immigration.
Now it looks like they want to ban all immigration. Will this keep them happy? Well, it means banning all future immigration, immigrants who previously made it are staying put.
Now it looks like they want to deport all immigrants. Will this keep them happy? Well, it means deporting everyone who was born elsewhere, people born in the country of immigrant backgrounds are staying put.
Deporting people born in the country opens an incomprehensible can of worms about who is and isn’t native, and where a line could be drawn. Does anyone on the far right say or even know where they want a line to be drawn?
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This political faction tends to openly campaign for “securing the border” or “stopping the boats”, depending what country you’re in. Will this keep them happy? Well, it means banning all future refugee admissions, not banning all immigration.
Now it looks like they want to ban all immigration. Will this keep them happy? Well, it means banning all future immigration, immigrants who previously made it are staying put.
Now it looks like they want to deport all immigrants. Will this keep them happy? Well, it means deporting everyone who was born elsewhere, people born in the country of immigrant backgrounds are staying put. Deporting people born in the country opens an incomprehensible can of worms about who is and isn’t native, and where a line could be drawn. Does anyone on the far right say or even know where they want a line to be drawn?
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I’m not sure they’ve thought that far, but there’s a very amusing faction of far-right weirdos who seem to think that once all the Hispanics are gone, the US can finally “return” to being a Catholic country. The right-wing has gotten weirdly into Christianity recently, so I wouldn’t be surprised if their end goal was to make their personal branch of Protestantism the dominant one, which seems to go against the idea of Protestantism, but what do I know.
There isn’t one. As soon as a movement based on hate wins one battle, it has to start another or else it ceases to have a reason to exist. Every battle won doesn’t make anyone happier, it just makes it so that the circle of who is in-group rather than out-group must become smaller and smaller until no one is left. First it’s violent illegal immigrants. Then it’s all illegal immigrants. Then it’s all immigrants. Then it’s all people with an immigrant parent. Then it’s all people who look like an immigrant. And so on, and so on.
The one saving grace about fascism is that it always eats itself. It is a monster that can be fed, but never satisfied.
Christian nationalist ethno-state
They will move on to another group. Gays, the disabled, etc.
They want an ethno-state.
They have this idea that nations made up of one ethnicity are the only ones capable of maintaining a cohesive society, and they point to countries like Japan, S Korea, and the Nordics as examples to justify this point. The fact that they dont listen to any information that contradicts this point ultimately means they’re just plain old rascist and only want to be surrounded by their demographic, though, which shouldnt be a suprise for members of the far right.
Their end goal doesn’t really, truly, have much to do with that. Their end goal is to achieve as much power as possible and then change the rules so it can’t ever be taken from them.
For that purpose they’ll use whatever scapegoats or scare tactics that are convenient at any given time, usually ones that are small, marginalised and without a lot of power to fight back, and preferably ones that they feel confident that the public at large won’t, on the whole, get motivated to stand up for.
That’s why they’re currently going hard against immigrants, who are often vulnerable outsiders without a strong social support network and with legal status that can either be exploited or weakened/removed and then exploited, and also against trans people, the most vulnerable of the LGBTQ+ spectrum and the one regular people are most likely to be somewhat weirded out by.
Once they’re done with the easiest pickings of those groups, they’ll escalate to black people, gay people, etc.
Ooh, that’s easy! Goal of every hate group is to generate more hate. It always has been. End goal is to provoke reaction of hysterics-prone people with sheep mentality, and to target them at functioning gowernment, or part of that gowernment. That’s how Hitler came into power, actually. They believe that resulting chaos and maybe civil war can be used to their advantage, all in effort to remove people who think differently, and to take power for themselves. They day-dream about death camps like during II World War, and about world where borders are all but air-tight for everyone excluding small group of chosen who can do whatever the fuck they want. But that won’t be ever enough. Ultimate end goal of hate groups is always GENOCIDE.
Also, it’s why Putin and other anti-West dictators (including Chinese) are, using various legal and illegal means, pumping vast amounts of money into most of them. They want to defragment and weaken all of our countries; war by other means, I believe it was called.
I have never understood hate like that; I have been always half on outside of social networks and tribe mentality, and I could never understand how you can prejudice against whole groups of people indscriminately. It’s totally illogical and primitive response, which unfortunately is why it’s gaining popularity. Hate is just easy to do, it doesn’t require much thinking at all, you only need to strip yourself of human morality and it’s over. Once you are part of that, it’s slippery slope into abyss you almost can’t ever get out from.
I love that you are able to at least recognize fallacy of such thinking, amd I hope that you keep it up! It’s hardest fight you can ever perform, to not give in to such feelings, especially when all around you there is so much of it…
They’re anti-immigrant from a place of nationalist, racial anxiety and xenophobia. They’ve built a strong sense of tribe and are afraid of “others” that they don’t understand and therefore probably mean us harm.
> Will this keep them happy? Well, it means banning all future refugee admissions, not banning all immigration.
No. There is no acceptable level of immigration that will placate their anxieties. In their search for confirmation of their fears, our internet content marketplace will always produce content satisfying that demand.
Even if immigration is zero, there are immigrants who are already here. If you eliminate all immigrants, they’ll search for a new way to define their tribe to other someone else who’s here. Reduce them to an indivisible tribe and they’ll just turn their attention outward and demand wars of ethnic unity and cleansing.
To solve the problem we have to address the racial anxiety and xenophobia up front, so things like a heavy emphasis on socialization with different kinds of people in grade school, make everyone study abroad for a year, make sure everyone understands historical atrocities committed in the name of ethnic unity, a heavy emphasis on media literacy and the psychology and sociology of tribalism so that people can be introspective about their feelings, hate speech laws and advocating for social media to curb or demonetize radicalizing online communities, etc.
Nothing less than total ethnic cleansing. Everything else is just a justification they have invented for doing that.
Genocide
I’m 100% against illegal immigrants. So I would say that’s the goal. 0 new illegal immigrants making it in the country and the deportation of 100% of the ones already here illegally.
I realize that isn’t possible, but I’d be happy if we got in the high 90%s of both those issues.
The holocaust started as a deportation effort. But it proved much too expensive.
It was called the “final solution” because it was the last thing they tried.
Reverse the inevitable browning of Amurika.
The end goal is to stop the browning of the West.
The current trajectory is that there will be no majority-white countries by the end of this century. America and Canada are basically already majority non-white. In the UK only 53% of births are White British. The same thing will happen in France, Sweden, and Germany. Then Poland and Ukraine.
The right seeks to prevent this future by ending non-European immigration.
Curious why you would post a “What do conservatives really want” question in a forum for liberals.
I suspect that you would get a more honest (and likely more nuanced and varied) answer posting it on a forum populated by conservatives.
It’s a lot like asking men “what do women really want“, and expecting reliable answers, instead of ones processed through male bias.
The anti-immigrant + dial the clock back to 1950 is towards the goal of realizing a neo-apartheid state. This will fix unspecified problems in unspecified ways, pinky swear.
Then they’ll try and Christianize and roll back women’s rights, ironically making them as repressive as Islamic regimes where women have to be covered from head to toe and aren’t allowed to drive or basically do anything without the permission of the man responsible for them. They’ll insist they’re far more enlightened than their barbaric brothers though, even as they co-opt every hardline fundamental idea from them.
Then they’ll try and pick a fight with the rest of the world to spread the glory of the “democratic” “capitalist” Ketchup Reich across the globe, but since nobody else depopulated and brain-drained to the extent the US did, their regime will be crushed like the shitstain it is, as it deserves to be.
Or what’s more likely to happen is whatever toddler is commander of the armed forces at the time will finally push MAD to its limits and we’ll all die.
You’re looking for logic where feelings and grievances are paramount. You’re looking for logic in vain.
They don’t want a line. They want total dominance.
A white America
The goal is not deportations of immigrants. Deportations are the red meat they’re throwing to their base to get funding for their real goal, a bloated police organization made up of goons personally loyal to trump and the republican party, which they can them wield against any target, and which has no mechanisms of accountability towards the civil state or populace. Ice will serve as an sa and coordinate with paramilitary orgs like the proud boys and patriot front to function as freikorps to suppress dissent.
“Open borders, that’s a Koch brothers proposal” Bernie Sanders.
They have been indoctrinated to believe illegal immigrants get government assistance and funding. Essentially, taking everyone’s tax money. They are pushing the idea that immigrants take jobs from American citizens. By taking away the competition of immigrants that more American citizens would go to work. By cutting medicaid, they believe that American people will have to go to work and fill the jobs that are vacated by the removal of immigrants. And now there is a chatter of putting actual children in jobs that are vacant due to reductions in the immigrant workforce.
So, that severely handicapped wheelchair bound young person would be forced to work to pay for their medical care and living situation, even articulate their needs for food.
It doesn’t really matter what some faction wants. The reality is that both the corporate interests that fund the right and the left LOVE cheap immigrant labor and LOVE immigration. Even Trump himself, the lord of the MAGAs has said that he supports immigration as long as it’s legal.
There’s not a systematic end goal. The Right is very tribal, insular, and exclusionary. Anti-immigrant sentiment is just an extension of that desire to be exclusionary, and left uninterrupted they’ll simply just keep moving around which group they want to exclude until they start fighting within themselves.
The ultimate goal is reinstitution of a feudal system with the rich in charge and everyone else enslaved. When that is achieved they won’t care what color their slaves are or where they come from. Right now immigration is the “means to the end” of cultural warfare, dividing the peasant class into opposing factions.
> Deporting people born in the country opens an incomprehensible can of worms about who is and isn’t native
This is the part that worries me. Something I learned about the psychology of far-right people is that it’s their instinct to divide society into groups and foster adversarial, us-vs-them mentalities. Like, if all the non-Christians in America were to magically disappear one day, these guys would stir up trouble between Christian sects. It will be Protestantism vs Catholicism vs Mormonism, as it was in the old days. Remember that the Mormons were so badly persecuted in the 19th century, they had to flee all the way to Utah to establish a Mormon state. And if all the non-white people were to disappear, these far-right guys would kick up trouble between Englishmen, Italians, Poles, and Irishmen like in the bad old days. I read that as the black and Hispanic populations in America grew, white supremacists consciously decided to reach out to Italians and Irishmen so as to form a broader white coalition. These guys will form lines of division along arbitrary traits if they run out of the things they currently fret about.
Trump put out an EO encouraging states to arrest mentally unwell folks. There is also politicians trying to make TDS an official mental sickness. So pretty much anyone they don’t like will be a target.
No more brown people.
I have an aunt who is pro Trump. She’s technically illegal. The irony of it all.
> This political faction tends to openly campaign for “securing the border” or “stopping the boats”, depending what country you’re in. Will this keep them happy?
Here in the US, both major Presidential candidates in 2024 campaigned on securing the border. I’d flip the question around. For the Democrats who were trying to secure the border and were against illegal immigration, what was your end goal?
Harris said:
> “I won’t only bring back the border security bill that Donald Trump tanked, I will do more to secure our border to reduce illegal border crossings, I will take further action to keep the border closed between ports of entry, those who cross our borders unlawfully will be apprehended and removed and barred from reentering for five years.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850
Their goal is for America to be dominated by whites and for everything to be determined by white Republicans.
Republicans are afraid of people who aren’t white being in America. Immigration is one of the ways that happens. The other way is that Americans already here who aren’t white have kids. Either way, they feel threatened by that. Well, around a 59 percent majority of Republicans feel threatened by it, on the grounds that those people are not white, which to them consequently means they, as people who aren’t white, weaken American customs and values. Again, to clarify, it’s not that they’re immigrants, it’s that they’re not white. Immigration is just a way for more non-whites to be in the country. (That said, I’m sure they’re genuinely anti-immigration and would want to keep people out for other reasons as well, like for following a certain religion, or for supporting access to abortion, or for some reason based on being incorrect about economics.)
Cleanse America of Mexicans/Latinos. That’s the end goal.
I think that the Republican party is first and foremost a hyper-capitalist party. Capitalism depends on a vulnerable, underpaid, fearful workforce. So immigration and the presence of undocumented people will never disappear completely. There will be deportations and cruelty to appease the white supremacist parts of the coalition, but the capitalists have more influence, and they want their workers to be powerless and obedient. The second objective is to create an apparatus under the guise of an anti-immigration force which can later be used to break up domestic left-wing movements.
A white ethno-state, with white men restored to a position of unchallenged power and remaining racial minorities, queer people, and women in positions of subservience.