I want to start out by saying I oppose a significant amount of the things Israel is doing in Palestine, and think that Netanyahu is undisputedly a war criminal, and deserves jail.
That being said it seems like the people supporting Palestine get more extremist every day. For example celebrating the October 7th attacks as some kind of heroic stand against tyranny. When in reality it was one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history, and the catalyst for this entire war. If Hamas had never attacked on October 7th, there would be tens of thousands of Palestinians still alive. Another example is attacking anyone who even slightly supports Israel. AOC one of the most progressive people in Congress, and one of the biggest critics of Israel, just got death threats and her office vandalized for voting in favor of continuing to support the Iron Dome system in Israel, which is purely defensive. Or thinking that Biden/Harris would have been nothing different than Trump in their policy on Israel.
What is it about this conflict that makes people so crazy and radical compared to so many others? As I said at the beginning, I think Israel is largely in the wrong. Although these crazies are making me less and less supportive of their cause. There’s a real mentality of “you’re either with us, or you’re against us”.
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I want to start out by saying I oppose a significant amount of the things Israel is doing in Palestine, and think that Netanyahu is undisputedly a war criminal, and deserves jail.
That being said it seems like the people supporting Palestine get more extremist every day. For example celebrating the October 7th attacks as some kind of heroic stand against tyranny. When in reality it was one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history, and the catalyst for this entire war. If Hamas had never attacked on October 7th, there would be tens of thousands of Palestinians still alive. Another example is attacking anyone who even slightly supports Israel. AOC one of the most progressive people in Congress, and one of the biggest critics of Israel, just got death threats and her office vandalized for voting in favor of continuing to support the Iron Dome system in Israel, which is purely defensive. Or thinking that Biden/Harris would have been nothing different than Trump in their policy on Israel.
What is it about this conflict that makes people so crazy and radical compared to so many others? As I said at the beginning, I think Israel is largely in the wrong. Although these crazies are making me less and less supportive of their cause. There’s a real mentality of “you’re either with us, or you’re against us”.
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>Why are Palestine supporters so insufferable?
They are so convinced of their moral superiority that they feel no pressure to ‘be good’.
They’re young
They’re online
There’s no filter or selection for being inordinately informed or intelligent
They’re very highly motivated
There are a lot of them
That’s it. Whenever all those things line up, you’re going to get a very visible and very annoying group of people. No great mystery.
EDIT: Euthyphro, OP was asking for what makes Palestine supporters insufferable, not examples of Palestine supporters being insufferable.
They think they are the second-coming of Che-Guevara when they are more like Trump in wanting decades worth of change/struggle overnight.
The answer is pretty simple. Its the trendy bandwagon to jump on to feel important and etc. For those older, this is basically today’s version of “Free Tibet” and “Kony 2012”. The positive reinforcement and/or attention, incentivizes a lot of people to push the limit for the next “high”. Now the reason why it keeps getting more extreme is because this political position isn’t built on any strong foundation. They don’t know what they want, they just parrot soundbites or make simple remarks. They don’t actually understand or know whats going on in the complex geopolitical conflict.
Maybe because they’re witnessing the horrors happening in Gaza and no one has stepped in to stop it.
It feels like an incredibly unpopular opinion to say that the middle east conflict is nuanced. And Ive thought Netanyahu was a piece of shit since he got elected in the 90s. How does that even work, btw, does Israel not have term limits? He should be past his expiration date.
This is a very big generalization to make, how would you define a Palestine supporter?
i always think of that mantra about a table of people sitting and theres one nazi, so everyone in that table is a nazi.
genuinely speaking, there are people standing next to you who have a more similar belief system to nazism than anything else in the world and you fail to notice youre not only at that table but handing them the microphone?
silliness incarnate
Yeah they also turned against Zohran Mandani cuz he said he wanted a two state solution.
Because Israel is committing a holocaust in Gaza and the majority of the world’s governments either support it or are complicit toward it. Also a large number of people online are still defending israel or act like it’s some complicated “both sides” issue when it’s not.
So naturally, when the situation is this dire and the response has been so inadequate, the backlash from the people is going to be intense.
Because no one with a sane mind has a black and white view on this issue.
But since people who openly celebrate bombings are (rightfully) banned on most subreddits you only get to read the die hard pro Palestine activists (and potentially bots) opinions.
This problem is common among activists in general, but definitely next level with Palestinian activists. In activism, it seems that even for good causes i support, the loudest voices are always the most ignorant, hateful and insufferable people imaginable, that’s why I always reject the main brand/ slogans of these groups, as a means to distance myself from the ugly perspectives and people.
With Palestinian activists, ive noticed the moderate voices being silent when there are literal nazis in their ranks and it’s extremely worrying. I am pro Palestine, but the Palestinian activists have a big nazi problem.
The conflict in Gaza is truly lopsided. Israel is having their way with Gaza and Gazans have no safe harbor. They are trapped in a massive kill zone. And it looks like it could become one of the worst manmade humanitarian disasters of this century.
Israel also thinks it’s 1990 and American citizens will just go along with whatever they do. We aren’t. The old tired arguments that disagreeing with Israeli war tactics amounts to antisemitism is no longer accepted by most people today. Israel has run out of excuses for itself.
I’m trying to imagine how I’d react to an article from a German in the 30s wondering why the anti-Nazis are so irritating
Yesterday or maybe the day before that I saw a comment that basically went: “And before you ask, no, I don’t condemn Hamas.” And I responded with incredulity because, I mean, Hamas is obviously evil.
I got promptly banned for “Zionism” and “blatent Islamophobia”. I never defended Israel nor did I make some generalized claim about Palestinians as a whole. Both accusations were apparently fished from the mod’s mind like gold from a river.
People like that have the ability to see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, and believe what they want to believe. I assume it’s some kind of hardcore black-and-white thinking that’s warping their minds and convinces them that any position not as deranged as their’s must naturally represent the opposite stance.
Because genocide is insufferable
Most support of the Palestinian Cause is really anti-Israel; there’s very little “why you should like Palestine” in the movement.
It ends up making it a really negative movement.
When portions of Gaza have literally been leveled by bombs and there is an active starvation tactic being deployed against Gaza, people who are compassionate towards people get pissed off. We supply Israel with insane amounts of money when we can’t even afford to take care of our own (we can but choose not to), that pisses people off. It’s not hard to understand that there is a humanitarian crisis happening right now.
I have family members that are middle eastern and the only ill feelings they have towards Israel is that they are pissed off at the constant aggression of Israel. They want the right to exist just like Israel. Their leadership doesn’t represent the people and for whatever reason, people in the US can’t understand that.
I think this can be summed up by saying, is there such thing as being too radical against genocide?
This is silly to be honest. You say you’ve arrived at these firm conclusions about the conflict, but are bothered by a few fringe activists?
A few more important things. History didn’t start on Oct 7 and the Iron Dome is not only defensive. It has come out that Biden/Harris did fuck all to pressure Israel to back off.
AOC is all rhetoric. What kind of critic at the end of the day, votes to strengthen Israel? Not much of a critic.
They are very upset.
People watching a genocide live-streamed in 4K while their elected leaders make excuses tends to make them angry.
Pretty much everyone I know is against the treatment of Palestinians. Not one of them celebrates what Hamas did on October 7th.
My guess is you’ve been listening to a couple of loudmouths online.
Why are protesters insufferable? Because most of the people who have the passion and the time to protest have the ability to take off work. That’s usually young people. It’s gotten much harder in the last couple of decades for ordinary people to take a day off and march on their Capitol.
October 7 was not the beginning of this conflict.
A better combatant to civilian ratio was achieved on October 7 than Israel has achieved in Gaza, even ignoring Israel killed their own civilians
Palestinians have a legal right to armed resistance against Israel’s occupation. War crimes took place on October 7 and those responsible should be held accountable but Israel is the one refusing investigations into those crimes and lying about what happened
Israel is currently committing genocide and held to double standards. There is nothing Hamas is guilty of that Israel and the IDF haven’t done to a greater degree even before October 7 including terrorism and taking hostages
The double standards, ongoing genocide, and decades of Israel breaking international law with zero repercussions is likely behind leftists opposing them.
Your confusing a small portion of teens with the broader collection of folks. Don’t do that, it makes you sound equally as insufferable.
My hunch is that for many, this is the First Big Injustice many of these people have become aware of in their lives as teens and young adults.
They weren’t media-conscious for Rwanda, Armenia, Sudan, the Uyghurs, the Yazidis, or the countless other humanitarian crises going on at any given moment throughout history, many of which the US government was also directly involved in. Or even the last time there was a Palestine-Israel flare up.
These supporters probably heard about Gaza on TikTok, were outraged that the US could possibly be involved in gasp war crimes abroad, and can’t understand how anyone could stand by such a thing.
It’s naïvety, it’s lack of research, it’s virtue signaling, it’s black-and-white thinking, it’s performative for social media points. And it’s also just young people realizing the world is horribly, incurably cruel.
Idk man. Maybe there’s something about people seeing children being selectively starved, and seeing people blown to bits, that just makes people angry.
Also, if you’re going to reference Oct. 7th then you should also reference why Oct. 7th happened.
Some of the most vociferous and extreme voices who claim Pro-Palestinian viewpoints in the West are motivated by more of an anti-Israeli sentiment than a pro-Palestinian one.
That doesn’t mean most or all people who support Palestine have that view. But those who protest are not usually representative of people who support Palestinians. Protests are not led by moderate groups, but rather extremists like the Party of Socialism or Liberation or the Palestinian Solidarity Committee.
Take October 7th. Most people abhor both the terrorism Hamas perpetuated on that day AND Israel’s criminal response to it. October 7th was the worst thing to happen to Palestinians. Tens or hundreds of thousands have died, and for what benefit? But if you’re primarily focused on sticking it to Israel, you like it, even as it caused Israel to respond, turn Gaza into ruins, and make Palestinian statehood and freedom even more of a pipe dream.
>I think Israel is largely in the wrong. Although these crazies are making me less and less supportive of their cause.
There are going to be unreasonable people on every side of every issue. Learn to ignore them.
Are you going to stop supporting gay rights or women’s rights if a chunk of their advocacy group suddenly becomes insufferable? Why would that have anything to do with whether or not someone deserves equality?
>For example celebrating the October 7th attacks as some kind of heroic stand against tyranny.
how many palestine supporters are celebrating october 7th?
>Another example is attacking anyone who even slightly supports Israel.
slightly supporting a state that’s been engaging in oppression for decades and is currently committing a genocide is still bad. it’s worthy of criticism.
>AOC one of the most progressive people in Congress, and one of the biggest critics of Israel, just got death threats and her office vandalized
again, how many palestine supporters sent her death threats or were involved in vandalizing her office?
>for voting in favor of continuing to support the Iron Dome system in Israel, which is purely defensive.
giving military help to a country that’s currently committing a genocide is bad. even if it’s “purely defensive”.
helping them defend themselves allows them to focus more of their resources on offense. if your friend is beating someone up and you say “i won’t take part in the beating, but i will protect you from anyone who might try to stop you” … that’s bad.
>Or thinking that Biden/Harris would have been nothing different than Trump in their policy on Israel.
they had months to stop israel and they didn’t. maybe they wouldn’t have bombed iran. maybe. other than that, what do you think they would’ve done differently?
I’m gonna throw in that there’s an element of racialization involved here.
Palestine supporters are invariably brainwashed into believing that Israelis are “evil white colonizers” and that Palestinians are “innocent people of color and victims of oppression.” Therefore, they make utterly insane excuses for when Palestinians do bad things – e.g. massacring unarmed revelers at a music festival.
There are at least 50 different problems with this framing of the conflict – the big one is that this projects uniquely American concepts of “race” onto a radically different region of the world, with a completely different historical, cultural, and (geo)political context that makes American concepts of “race” utterly irrelevant.
However, these idiots assume that everywhere in the world must be the same as America, so they project their own American ideas of racial discord onto the conflict in the Holy Land.
Not gonna lie, just from anecdotal experience, some white leftists tend to be the ones to be the most insufferable, almost like they have to prove to ethnic minorities that they’re the good guys. I don’t see this phenomenon from my fellow ethnics.
I think your entire post is in bad faith, but let’s pretend for a second that it’s not, and I’ll try to give you as much benefit of the doubt as I can before I get overwhelmed by cringe.
1 – “Palestine supporters get more extremist every day” – what the hell does this even mean? How do you actually measure this? How is this not just entirely anecdotal?
2 – “They celebrate October 7th as some great stand against tyranny” – Who does? Do you have data to suggest what percentage of people in the west who want Israel’s genocide to stop are “celebrating October 7th?” What is the objective basis of your claim?
3 – “October 7th is the entire basis for the war” – are you being serious, or like, have you ever read a book or at least done the most basic of Google searches or even watched the news at any point before Oct 7 2023? Because the most recent time frame you can cite with any sort of certainty as the basis of “this war” is the 1940s as Jews started colonizing the west bank which led to the November 1947 Israeli invasion of Palestine which ended up establishing the state of Israel.
4 – “Now they are going after AOC” – Hey, you finally said something with an observable truth to it, congrats on batting .250…so far
5 – “The iron dome is entirely defensive” – UHHHHHHHHHHH are you fucking serious? The iron dome is the entire reason Israel bombs the fuck out of all of its neighbors and enemies. If you want to argue that Israel having no Iron dome would result in Iran bombing them, then sure, that may be for all we know, but you really cant even say that with certainty either. But it undeniably gives Israel the complete lack of fucks given to do things like utterly decimate and ethnically cleanse Gaza, bomb Lebanon, bomb Syria, and bomb Iran. Your take here is utterly horrendous
6 – “Imagine thinking Biden/Harris wouldn’t have been any better” – we had the proof of concept where Biden literally allowed Israel to conduct the genocide. If you want to rip on Trump supporters who believed his anti war nonsense, feel free, but don’t gaslight people who rightfully noticed that Biden and Harris were objectively terrible on Israel
7 – “you people are so annoying and extreme that you’re making me want to support the other side.” – This is fucking ridiculous. You get bothered by pro-palestine supporters that it makes you be like “fuck it, I like genocide now!” Something tells me you’ve always supported zionism, so spare us all your fake both-sides nonsense.
Because the ones who aren’t insufferable tend to be quieter. Social media algorithms boost content that gets engagement, and insufferable people get more engagement.
Most people see nuance. Even the more extreme ones, while they don’t take a more nuanced approach, they tend to be more accepting of nuanced approaches than the insufferable ones. My roommate supported Hamas and thought I should too. I told him that I would support them if they only targeted the IDF and/or state property, but I can’t get behind them targeting civilians. He didn’t agree, but he didn’t accuse me of supporting genocide either. The loud minority just gets more screen time.
Notably, extremist Zionists are also boosting the insufferable ones because it makes the whole pro-Palestine movement look bad. Most propaganda isn’t that complicated. Just give the weirdos a platform and let them claim they speak for the entire movement.
A significant portion of them have zero skin in the game (i.e., not Palestinian, Muslim, Israeli, or Jewish, and aren’t close to anyone who is) and will be completely unaffected by the consequences of the views they espouse. Nuance is a waste of time for them because they simply don’t need it. They have the luxury of being able to virtue-signal about whatever makes them feel morally superior and leave everyone else holding the bag to actually advance the cause.
Also, the people you’re talking about are chronically online, and all chronically online people are insufferable
This is the most clear cut rule 2, 3 and 5 violation I’ve ever seen on this sub.
Why would anybody who supports Palestine ever talk to you about anything? You’ve poisoned the well so much there’s not even a way to start the conversation.
Because they are self righteous, often very privileged and, generally, look down on anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their world view. Additionally, they are often unashamedly bigoted against people from less privileged backgrounds and believe that they have some right to do it.
I think it has a lot to do with the horrific images and videos coming out of the conflict flooding social media feeds. Combine those videos with algorithms that incentivize people to keep watching more and people are going to develop extremely strong feelings about it. Plus, war has always been hell but it’s foreign to most people in the west – most Westerners literally do not have the tools to contextualize or cope with what they’re seeing.
And they have the right to feel outraged. What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is incredibly fucked up.
I do wish they would learn more about geopolitics, though, to at least help them understand the actions of the US and other allies instead of assuming the US was trying to support the genocide. Unfortunately, their knee jerk response probably made the situation worse for the Palestinians long term.
The most vocal pro Palestine groups also voted and campaigned against Kamala, effectively cutting off any kind of influence the left had in the conflict. This is super common in leftist advocacy, which is often self destructive and outside of actual electoral politics (see: defund the police, Occupy Wall Street, Bernie or bust, etc)
You asked 3 months ago if Pro-Palestine protesters were trying to push people away. Since then the sentiment has only grown from the polling I’ve seen. Do you think you might be in a bubble?
I see way more pro-Israeli rhetoric accusing supporters of Palestinians of celebrating Oct 7th, than any actual Oct 7th celebration.
What’s an example of celebrating Oct 7th as heroic?
Palestinians are being wiped out at the moment. I don’t really care if it makes me sound insufferable to you by pointing this out, but there is an ethnic group that is being wiped out. There is a genocide.
Really don’t give a shit about any of the noise around it. That’s all it is. Noise.
People are celebrating October 7th? That’s in bad taste but at the same time I do not care because Palestinians are starving to death and dying and it is organized.
White girls in bars are really annoying and shouting free Palestine? It’s ruining your night? I do not care. An ethnic group is being wiped off the face of this planet in the name of imperialism.
I don’t care that you find it kind of annoying. I don’t care that you think some of the people are acting in poor taste or lack decorum.
People are dying, Kim.
I feel like I’ve seen the opposite. The pro-Palestine side or pro-peace side is gaining a bunch of more moderate people as Israel’s conduct becomes harder to defend. Otoh, the pro-war side seems to be coming across as increasingly unhinged.
There are always some insufferable people on the far-left. Ignore them as best you can.
>these crazies are making me less and less supportive of their cause
I mean, if you’re going to judge a cause by its most extreme adherents (which I would not recommend), then that would be Hamas, no?
lmaooooo reported for bad faith question
Because they don’t jive with unarmed and unaffiliated civilians being slaughtered. Crazy how things like murder get folks riled up.
While it infuriated me the protests against Harris and not Trump’s policies ( he had been in office before, they knew what he’d be like) I also validate what they are speaking on; Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians.
It angered me that the Never Harris group helped elect this maniac who would turn Gaza into a “resort” if he could.
The October 7 attacks, while not heroic, were in fact not unprovoked – Israel has been mistreating Palestinians for a long time now. When you punch a dude in the face every day for 75 years you really don’t get to act all innocent or surprised when he throws the occasional punch back in your direction. Palestinians have the right to resist their oppressors, and they resist with the weapons they have at hand.
Voting to support the flow of money and weapons to Israel is not ‘slightly’ supporting Israel, nor is it particularly progressive, and the defensive thing is a distinction without a difference; the iron dome is what gives Israel the confidence to strike their neighbors with impunity, and frees them to spend their money on offensive weapons. I don’t think she should be threatened and such, but she should absolutely expect some pushback for sending weapons to a nation that is committing genocide.
On which point none of Biden, Harris, and Trump have been shy in voicing their full-throated support for Israel, so how different is their policy really? Biden made a lot of noise about a ceasefire but never even threatened to use the one piece of leverage we have (our weapons and money) so he clearly wasn’t serious about it.
What makes us so vehement about this is that it’s egregiously unjust and we’re extremely not happy that it’s being done on our dime against our will. But also we are pretty disappointed that unreserved support for genocide turns out to be a much easier pill for our Democrat friends to swallow than we imagined it would be. It feels like the height of hypocrisy and betrayal after all these years of talking about how much they purport to care about such things.
Because they were right. They’re insufferable because they were right to call it a genocide and they were right to say we should take a stand. We should have. Democrats had an opportunity to coalition build and shrugged it off to chase the votes of white men who didn’t even listen to them.
I know because I was insufferable in 2005 because I had been right about Afghanistan and Iraq and I have continued to be insufferable as long as centrists choose hippie punching over moral imperatives.
Eta: I learned my lesson about centrists trying to do fascism lite from the defeat of John Kerry. I didn’t need to see Clinton and Harris get beat to know it was a mistake to bring Liz Cheney on stage.
The more extreme Israel’s genocide the more extreme the opposition is going to be
Because it makes our blood boil to see our country actively helping to starve and murder innocent Palestinians who have never known a life free from Israeli occupation. We’re watching people try and wipe a group of people off the face of the Earth there’s large swaths of people who think it’s a good thing. I think we should all be insufferable about it for the good of the Palestinian people.
It’s easy to be polite when the status quo is skewed in your favor.
Because it’s the only way they have received attention for their cause?
Because Israel is committing a genocide.
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Which “people” are you referring to? People you’ve seen on social media? I recommend spending less time on SM because it doesn’t reflect reality.
Can we please have some decorum when we are discussing genocide and our role in it?
Why are liberals ok with Genocide?
Why is the “lesser evil party” also an endorser of violent oppression?
Why are liberals such hypocrites?
it’s easy to accuse those who are suffering unimaginable persecution and are fighting back with the only tools they have of being fanatical. I rather think you would be a bit fanatical if it was your kids, or even your cousins who were being starved, denied decent shelter, water, medical care. The death tolls don’t even count those, and they are very high. How are people who care *supposed* to behave? sit down and shut up might make you more comfortable, but it will not do anything for the ones who are being annihilated.
Because Palestinians are suffering so much
Part of it is the feeling of sheer powerlessness, which I think leads people to decide that the “least” they can do is be super strident on the issue and cheer on things that go too far the other direction (for example I had a couple of lefty acquaintances cheer when that one dude immolated that elderly Jewish couple because he said something about Palestine when he was doing it, and also those same people were making arguments that wanting Israel to exist at all made you a Zionist and therefore implicit in child murder). Like, whatever “the least” might be, that ain’t it but I understand the frustration.
Frankly a lot of it, too, comes down to two things:
While there’s no question that Palestinians deserve to survive and thrive, a lot of groups, including but not at all limited to Hamas, have preyed on their victimhood and there’s an undercurrent of antisemitism in the far right wing “support” for Palestine.
In the US, the left has mostly been who’s come out strongest in support of Palestine and while Palestine needs all the friends it can get, support is still plagued by the same purity testing, backbiting, and that general “being a shithead in support of a good cause makes you not a shithead” attitude that comes with the left’s support of anything.
People spoke about BLM this same way just a few years ago. Using the same language and asking why they’re so disproportionately angry.
People have expressed the same sentiments about every anti war movement, every racial justice movement, every economic justice movement and every abolitionist movement.
The last time Trump was in office, I had this exact sentiment repeated to me at a DACA protest by a “well meaning” person because she was enthusiastically saying we should deport the parents of DACA recipients to appease republicans and I expressed horror. She found that horror to be “extreme” (I turned around, looked at her and asked, “why would you even say that? those are people’s families you’re talking about”).
What I know, both from learning history and paying attention in my own adult life, is that people are dog shit at identifying the difference between righteous frustration and being insufferable. And that’s me being kind.
Moreover, what is the purpose of this kind of criticism? I’m really curious about what people see the purpose of this being.
I think some people will try to argue that it’s because they want a better protest movement but that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny imo.
Take this post: the OP is painting all people who support Palestine as “extremist”, “crazy” and “crazies” who “celebrate Oct 7” and “send threats to AOC”. Factually, logically, objectively that isn’t even close to being true but OP still chose to be intentionally inflammatory and weird about it. That’s not a method for making any movement better or convincing any of the people involved to listen to you.
So what is the purpose of this kind of criticism?
Because this whole post ends with them saying it makes them, “less supportive of their cause” (which was stated in the beginning as supporting Palestine).
Because most of them don’t support hamas, but you’re either defining Palestine Supporter weirdly or because you’re being pushed extremist views because they are louder though less common.
What finally caused me to not give a shit one way or another was when the Palestine/Hamas supporters took over the college campuses. I can only imagine the yelling they got when they went home to mommy and daddy.
The whole debate is why I don’t think Governor Shapiro is going to make it to the Democratic nomination for President in 2028. That and paying the penalty for one of his employees sexually harassing another.
for 10-7, those people would say that israel brought 10-7 on themselves for their actions in palestein for 70+ years now & they are doing the same things that hamas is doing, so they view israel as a colonial, genocidal state that is terrorizing them. they view israel like the europeans colonizing the americas & genociding the native americans & stealing their land. they view any attack on the “colonizers” as justified self defense. I can’t remember the liberal youtuber i saw back in 2014, but he made the argument to a pro israeli caller, that what would you do if people came in your house & seized everything? would you shoot them to get them out? that is what the palestinians are forced to do & the caller flatout couldn’t counter that. So the argument boils down to israel is stealing your land, what do you do with invaders? you kill them like ukrainians are doing to russian nazis, so 10-7 is a self defensive act in their eyes.
the AOC debacle pisses me off as so many progressives are doing this & its bad enough i might do a video on it. These people do not distinguish offensive & defensive weapons, they are no different in their eyes & they are just ignorant. i don’t support giving any weapons to israel EXCEPT for Iron Dome, because i know Iron Dome is needed to keep Israel safe from rocket attacks, especially Iran, if Iran attacks israel & does alot of deaths, that will force israel to respond & become more of a war then last month was. so keeping them safe from missiles is more likely to keep peace which is the most important
the difference on israel compared to trump was very hard to argue since biden didn’t do anything & Harris didn’t have much power to do anything as vp. that was more of their fault for making it so hard for us to make the case that trump was worse. the amount of arguments i had to deal with on twitter about it & i had a hard time countering the bs
The gist of it is that what Israel is/has been doing is so unconscionable that any support is too much. To give you a reference, roughly 1,200 Israelis were killed in the October 7th attacks, since then Israel has killed over 10 times that amount… in children alone with the total death count being somewhere around 50 times the October 7th attacks, and probably with about double that number injured with inadequate medical facilities to help them.
I think it is hard to understate how outraged people are by this. Our country’s support of this will leave a lasting impressions on anyone from the middle east and further.
Hey just reminder, the people in Gaza are starving.
I’m so sorry this is annoying to hear but just Google it. It’s abysmal.
I think the DELIBERATE starvation of an entire people should maybe trump needing to come off friendly or pleasant.
Your priorities are fucking out of wack.
Why are Israeli supporters so insufferable? Why are people who think that all people should think exactly alike so insufferable?
Aside from the ones setting themselves on fire and shooting places up, I think their anger is justified.
Thank you for saying this