Do you have an example of conservatives trusting corporations?
It seems like it was conservative voices that were and do call out censorship on Google, old Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, etc.
Debanking practices, and cancel culture are not tools of the right and when corporations acted as puppets for the last administration in order to censor anything or anyone that did not lockstep the narrative of the day I do not recall a single voice from the left that was raised in protest.
We don’t particularly care for either, but I would much sooner trust a corporation than a government agency, because at least they have incentive to be productive and good with money. The government clearly does not, as evidenced of a lot of the ridiculous things Elon has found tax dollars going towards. Corporations are accountable to customers, unions, and the government. Bureaucrats are accountable to nobody (at least they weren’t, until about 6 weeks ago)
I trust that corporations are going to do shady shit to make a buck. But, at the end of the day, corporations have no direct legal obligation over me.
I dont trust the government because it holds power of the people, by the people, for the people. I demand that the government does right, but i know that man is fallable, so i dont trust mans actions with governments power
I only trust the corporation to want my money and business, hence they’ll provide quality products and services out of greed.
At least with a corporation, I can take my business elsewhere. It’s a voluntary and moral exchange if there’s free markets and competition. With government, they come after me with guns if I don’t give them my money.
If you believe in a benevolent government 🦄, a lot of progressive ideas make sense. Then every time we get a bad president, restricting government comes in vogue.
Government and corporations are both entities ran by people. The primary difference is the amount of security and layers of bureaucracy the government has. Put another way, if a business is failing it will end with Chapter 9 bankruptcy. If a government program is failing/wasteful, it will continue to burden the American taxpayer. Put another another way, especially when it comes to the federal government, oversight and effective administration is more difficult. For instance, would you trust a lawyer who represents 10,000 clients to know the ins and outs of your case and be effective? That intimate detail is lost on bigger, more expansive entities. That is often why conservatives preach leaving issues to the state or local county.
When government institutions/policies are proven effective, even when there is marginal waste (since lazy people exist whether public or private), then the benefit outweighs the bad. For instance, police. Conservatives are generally in favor of police because they are necessary. The small # of bad eggs who commit police misconduct does not override the necessity for our system to function. And of course, we desire prosecution (which is the government) of those bad eggs just like any other criminal.
Also, I saw your comment that with government, the people have a voice in its process. If our system operated as it was designed–that our representatives represent our interests–, then that would be true. However, the amount of shadow districts, incorporated budget asks, and "fine print" legislation will not be caught by the public. Simply speaking, it is just too much for any one person to keep track of. Secondly, and speaking as someone who worked in the legislature’s budget, depending on the magnitude of PR, you just have to wait out the public’s frustration. If media doesn’t cover it and people stop talking about it, nothing changes. Also, the niche details are boring to follow, unless you are directly involved, you will never know what is going on behind the scenes.
I’ll give you a direct example of this. In early 2000s, A 275 person team (CA Performance Review) state audit ordered to study its executive branch to recommend reforms which resulted in a 2,700 page report contained more than 1,000 recommendations, including eliminate 12,000 state jobs and abolishing 118 boards and commissions and it proposed consolidating 11 agencies and 79 departments into 11 major departments. https://www.stancounty.com/BOS/Agenda/2004/20040914/PH930.pdf (summary of findings page 23.) One such board, the unemployment insurance appeals board, paid each member over 128k a year for work easily managed by civil service workers and admin law judges. (CPR). Unsurprisingly, none of those recommendations got implemented. Though we see in 2012 Brown scaled the size of reform back and eliminated over 50 boards, commissions, task forces, offices, and departments, including the office of the Secretary of Education, California Medical Assistance Commission and the Office of Insurance Advisor… https://archive.gov.ca.gov/archive/gov39/2012/03/30/news17476/index.html
The point is: Unless the Government itself decides to change itself, it won’t. Because 1) It is too boring for people to follow the may revise 2) without consequence, there is no incentive for the government to stop taking advantage of the taxpayer and 3) the legislature is incentivized to "build their resume" by passing useless bills, work with sponsor orgs who provide the most influence, and request more funding for programs to falsely demonstrate need (budget ask of $2M, turned into $20M due to state budget surplus.) The only time there is change is always in the opposite direction: Not a scaleback, but adding new layers onto a cake that already has 10,000 layers and continuously grows (bureaucracy).
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Do you have an example of conservatives trusting corporations?
It seems like it was conservative voices that were and do call out censorship on Google, old Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, etc.
Debanking practices, and cancel culture are not tools of the right and when corporations acted as puppets for the last administration in order to censor anything or anyone that did not lockstep the narrative of the day I do not recall a single voice from the left that was raised in protest.
No corporation has any amount of power over citizens that’s not given by the government.
Me, trust corporations? For the most part, absolutely NOT!!!!!
What makes you think Conservatives trust corporations? We generally don’t.
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I don’t trust either. I see both as evil and satanic
Trust them? No. However, a corporation’s motivations are ALWAYS clear.
We don’t particularly care for either, but I would much sooner trust a corporation than a government agency, because at least they have incentive to be productive and good with money. The government clearly does not, as evidenced of a lot of the ridiculous things Elon has found tax dollars going towards. Corporations are accountable to customers, unions, and the government. Bureaucrats are accountable to nobody (at least they weren’t, until about 6 weeks ago)
I trust that corporations are going to do shady shit to make a buck. But, at the end of the day, corporations have no direct legal obligation over me.
I dont trust the government because it holds power of the people, by the people, for the people. I demand that the government does right, but i know that man is fallable, so i dont trust mans actions with governments power
I only trust the corporation to want my money and business, hence they’ll provide quality products and services out of greed.
At least with a corporation, I can take my business elsewhere. It’s a voluntary and moral exchange if there’s free markets and competition. With government, they come after me with guns if I don’t give them my money.
If you believe in a benevolent government 🦄, a lot of progressive ideas make sense. Then every time we get a bad president, restricting government comes in vogue.
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The government has screwed more people than any corporation.
Government and corporations are both entities ran by people. The primary difference is the amount of security and layers of bureaucracy the government has. Put another way, if a business is failing it will end with Chapter 9 bankruptcy. If a government program is failing/wasteful, it will continue to burden the American taxpayer. Put another another way, especially when it comes to the federal government, oversight and effective administration is more difficult. For instance, would you trust a lawyer who represents 10,000 clients to know the ins and outs of your case and be effective? That intimate detail is lost on bigger, more expansive entities. That is often why conservatives preach leaving issues to the state or local county.
When government institutions/policies are proven effective, even when there is marginal waste (since lazy people exist whether public or private), then the benefit outweighs the bad. For instance, police. Conservatives are generally in favor of police because they are necessary. The small # of bad eggs who commit police misconduct does not override the necessity for our system to function. And of course, we desire prosecution (which is the government) of those bad eggs just like any other criminal.
Also, I saw your comment that with government, the people have a voice in its process. If our system operated as it was designed–that our representatives represent our interests–, then that would be true. However, the amount of shadow districts, incorporated budget asks, and "fine print" legislation will not be caught by the public. Simply speaking, it is just too much for any one person to keep track of. Secondly, and speaking as someone who worked in the legislature’s budget, depending on the magnitude of PR, you just have to wait out the public’s frustration. If media doesn’t cover it and people stop talking about it, nothing changes. Also, the niche details are boring to follow, unless you are directly involved, you will never know what is going on behind the scenes.
I’ll give you a direct example of this. In early 2000s, A 275 person team (CA Performance Review) state audit ordered to study its executive branch to recommend reforms which resulted in a 2,700 page report contained more than 1,000 recommendations, including eliminate 12,000 state jobs and abolishing 118 boards and commissions and it proposed consolidating 11 agencies and 79 departments into 11 major departments. https://www.stancounty.com/BOS/Agenda/2004/20040914/PH930.pdf (summary of findings page 23.) One such board, the unemployment insurance appeals board, paid each member over 128k a year for work easily managed by civil service workers and admin law judges. (CPR). Unsurprisingly, none of those recommendations got implemented. Though we see in 2012 Brown scaled the size of reform back and eliminated over 50 boards, commissions, task forces, offices, and departments, including the office of the Secretary of Education, California Medical Assistance Commission and the Office of Insurance Advisor… https://archive.gov.ca.gov/archive/gov39/2012/03/30/news17476/index.html
The point is: Unless the Government itself decides to change itself, it won’t. Because 1) It is too boring for people to follow the may revise 2) without consequence, there is no incentive for the government to stop taking advantage of the taxpayer and 3) the legislature is incentivized to "build their resume" by passing useless bills, work with sponsor orgs who provide the most influence, and request more funding for programs to falsely demonstrate need (budget ask of $2M, turned into $20M due to state budget surplus.) The only time there is change is always in the opposite direction: Not a scaleback, but adding new layers onto a cake that already has 10,000 layers and continuously grows (bureaucracy).
The corporatation won’t throw me in jail for wrongthink
I work for a corporation. I am well aware that I’m just a cog in the machine.