i think people just use religion to excuse being a bigot. religions like catholicism and christianity are big ones hence the “no hate like christian love” but nowhere in the bible does it say you’re allowed to hate and judge and be a terrible person. that’s why i don’t label myself as being part of any religion i just consider myself a follower of Christ
They are following the laws and rules of the literal Lord and creater of the universe and all things. All things exist by design of their God, who has a reason for all actions.
Religion is mind control for the weak .. the ancient texts aren’t about an angry sky daddy who loves you , they are an ancient self help book .. you are god in your own life .. think about it .. god is I am .. tell them I am hath sent you , I am he , I am that I am .. whenever you say I am , you are proclaiming that as god .. it’s so much easier to tell someone that a sky daddy is going to be upset rather than let people think they control their lives ..
Because sometimes bad people are drawn to power structures, like those common in religion, to pursue their own agendas and have control over eachother.
I am a Christian, but I feel many professing to be one currently are not behaving particularly Christlike; rather, they just co-opt the name while worshipping Trump instead of God. It’s all sad and ironic to me, because I could not imagine Jesus condoning any of this
Your first mistake was questioning the behavior in the first place. You don’t ask questions. You fall in line and do what you’re told or sky daddy is gonna punish you till the end of time
It’s true of most large institutions. Politicians, executives, large charities. Lots of allegations of corruption, child abuse, sexual assault. But they have the resources to turn these allegations into long run legal battles, pay PR companies to spin the narrative and pay off the victims while getting NDAs signed.
They will try and push their beliefs onto others, but then get mad when people as a result try and rationally discuss their religion in the same way as all other topics. “I’ll cite my religion as justification for condemning your behaviors, but will express outrage if you critically analyze my religion because I find it insulting” is basically their attitude. It’s exhausting.
With so many different religions out there who can which God is right which is not. I do not believe in god created by humans I won’t ever acknowledge their existence if they exist. I do believe if the world we are living in is a simulation then there is someone superior to humans.
In some areas it’s common practice (the religion) so at a level it’s indoctrination of an established way. In areas with more diverse views becomes more a matter of what is acceptable social or within a community with some of those behaviors. Even without religion everyone still has a level of bias towards many things.
I think it would be beneficial to your question if you could instances of the questionable behaviors.
theirs religious structures and who theyre supposed to be worshipping, people are imperfect they commit atrocities, and in christianity at least God doesnt directly intervene, the leniancy comes from the elites (like the pope) or stuctured religion, i wouldnt say all religion is necassarily leniant on any questionable behaviour and the bible does warn and directly condemn most of what im percieving as “questionable behaviour”, but a lot of these elites are also protected in a heirarchy, so i think a lot of the comments saying “itll piss millions off” is a bit short sighted because i think the average christian is against these “questionable acts” but a corrupt person in a heirarchy isnt enough to halt a belief system, afterall look at democracy for example, how many politicians act “questionably” but you dont drop the whole societal structure just like you wouldnt drop something close to the core of your worldview because one elite that interlaps in your worldview did something disgusting
Religion gets a pass because it’s deeply tied to people’s identities. Criticizing it can feel like a personal attack. Not all religions are treated equally, smaller religions don’t get that allowance, they’re often labeled cults to discredit them, even though the difference is mostly just scale and PR.
What makes you think a behavior is questionable? Where do societal norms come from? Take a beat and imagine what behaviors were considered questionable at other times, or in other places.
Most religions are very decentralised and are far from a single united worldview within the religion. Look at how many different sects there are of of Christianity alone for an idea of how much religious groups differ from eachother in their beliefs. Condemning all of organised religion for the actions of one group isn’t fair, it would be like condemning an entire country because you had a bad experience with someone from there once.
Honestly, its because people through generations have spread the idea that its okay to bash others for what they consider “sinful” while being sinful themselves but they think believing in god in of it of itself is enough to get themselves into heaven. The reason for the allowance of it is because if you are referring to christianity is because how popular it is, especially in america, and due to that other christians excuse each-other for those actions as they view it as okay. Other religions are also this way too for same reasons too
Momentum, the shit has been grandfathered in and is tolerated because “that’s the way it is”.
It could not be created in a modern society, but it can be handed over to children that don’t know no better.
Honestly, I really think religion was cooked up to control the masses. The ancients wanted to keep the status quo so certain demographics were certainly more oppressed than others like lgbq+ and of course, women.
At the risk of stating the obvious, the answer to your question is: Thousands of years of history.
If you want to understand why cultures/religions/etc. are the way they are, you have to learn history, and that’s more than anyone can easily cram into a reddit comment.
I feel like it’s the same sentiment that people share when an older person says outdated things – people are stuck in their old ways, the whole “old dog doesnt learn new tricks” while people can 100% learn new things, they have to be willing to.
Also remember that religion in many places has been hand in hand with law probably for the larger part of human history. These things take time to change and most countries that are pulling away from religion have on just raken baby steps
Organised religion is for those too lazy to not outsource critical thinking. Therefore one is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
The problem is, the bottom of the barrel is vast and filled with those most easily controlled by those willing to manipulate and/or yell loudly.
It only gets a pass as long as it has critical mass. As soon as this critical mass is lost, so will support for excesses. The catholic church has been held accountable for child molestation to a (pitifully underwhelming) degree, shariah is basically deemed borderline mental illness in the West and so on.
Maybe at some point systemic tax evasion will also be addressed, but all corporations make this into a sport. Not just corporated religions.
Allowance of what? Religion gets bashed on consistently in these forums as a coping mechanism for hateful atheists. They over exaggerate the level of violence or vice that religion causes as a way to champion their self-righteous morals.
Like how people exaggerate God’s cruelty exterminating the Canaanite’s in war. That stuff was so mundane back then, who cares. But atheists brag about it being some Earth shattering event
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Because people tell themselves that that’s what God wants
Man creates god to excuse his own behaviors
Cause condemning it will piss off millions.
i think people just use religion to excuse being a bigot. religions like catholicism and christianity are big ones hence the “no hate like christian love” but nowhere in the bible does it say you’re allowed to hate and judge and be a terrible person. that’s why i don’t label myself as being part of any religion i just consider myself a follower of Christ
They are following the laws and rules of the literal Lord and creater of the universe and all things. All things exist by design of their God, who has a reason for all actions.
Religion is mind control for the weak .. the ancient texts aren’t about an angry sky daddy who loves you , they are an ancient self help book .. you are god in your own life .. think about it .. god is I am .. tell them I am hath sent you , I am he , I am that I am .. whenever you say I am , you are proclaiming that as god .. it’s so much easier to tell someone that a sky daddy is going to be upset rather than let people think they control their lives ..
We don’t. In fact it’s the opposite. If something is questionable. We tend to NOT accept it.
But then again the eye cannot see itself so who knows.
Because sometimes bad people are drawn to power structures, like those common in religion, to pursue their own agendas and have control over eachother.
I am a Christian, but I feel many professing to be one currently are not behaving particularly Christlike; rather, they just co-opt the name while worshipping Trump instead of God. It’s all sad and ironic to me, because I could not imagine Jesus condoning any of this
Your first mistake was questioning the behavior in the first place. You don’t ask questions. You fall in line and do what you’re told or sky daddy is gonna punish you till the end of time
It’s true of most large institutions. Politicians, executives, large charities. Lots of allegations of corruption, child abuse, sexual assault. But they have the resources to turn these allegations into long run legal battles, pay PR companies to spin the narrative and pay off the victims while getting NDAs signed.
All of humanity regardless of religion engages in poor behavior. It’s just how it is. Religion ultimately doesn’t change that
Because god forgives everything and everyone.
I’m sure they do get away with more than they should, but they are still only coming in third to Musicians and actors
Do they reaaaaally though? Remember Dawkins?
They will try and push their beliefs onto others, but then get mad when people as a result try and rationally discuss their religion in the same way as all other topics. “I’ll cite my religion as justification for condemning your behaviors, but will express outrage if you critically analyze my religion because I find it insulting” is basically their attitude. It’s exhausting.
With so many different religions out there who can which God is right which is not. I do not believe in god created by humans I won’t ever acknowledge their existence if they exist. I do believe if the world we are living in is a simulation then there is someone superior to humans.
The same reason redditors get so much allowance for open bigotry
In some areas it’s common practice (the religion) so at a level it’s indoctrination of an established way. In areas with more diverse views becomes more a matter of what is acceptable social or within a community with some of those behaviors. Even without religion everyone still has a level of bias towards many things.
I think it would be beneficial to your question if you could instances of the questionable behaviors.
theirs religious structures and who theyre supposed to be worshipping, people are imperfect they commit atrocities, and in christianity at least God doesnt directly intervene, the leniancy comes from the elites (like the pope) or stuctured religion, i wouldnt say all religion is necassarily leniant on any questionable behaviour and the bible does warn and directly condemn most of what im percieving as “questionable behaviour”, but a lot of these elites are also protected in a heirarchy, so i think a lot of the comments saying “itll piss millions off” is a bit short sighted because i think the average christian is against these “questionable acts” but a corrupt person in a heirarchy isnt enough to halt a belief system, afterall look at democracy for example, how many politicians act “questionably” but you dont drop the whole societal structure just like you wouldnt drop something close to the core of your worldview because one elite that interlaps in your worldview did something disgusting
Religion gets a pass because it’s deeply tied to people’s identities. Criticizing it can feel like a personal attack. Not all religions are treated equally, smaller religions don’t get that allowance, they’re often labeled cults to discredit them, even though the difference is mostly just scale and PR.
What makes you think a behavior is questionable? Where do societal norms come from? Take a beat and imagine what behaviors were considered questionable at other times, or in other places.
theyve normalized it
They really don’t, which is why participation in organized religion has been declining.
Most religions are very decentralised and are far from a single united worldview within the religion. Look at how many different sects there are of of Christianity alone for an idea of how much religious groups differ from eachother in their beliefs. Condemning all of organised religion for the actions of one group isn’t fair, it would be like condemning an entire country because you had a bad experience with someone from there once.
Because Religion once held more power than Royalty, ( literally Life and Death kind of power ) and it has been a slow decline since then.
Unless you live in a Caliphate or USA in the near future.
Honestly, its because people through generations have spread the idea that its okay to bash others for what they consider “sinful” while being sinful themselves but they think believing in god in of it of itself is enough to get themselves into heaven. The reason for the allowance of it is because if you are referring to christianity is because how popular it is, especially in america, and due to that other christians excuse each-other for those actions as they view it as okay. Other religions are also this way too for same reasons too
Because christianity, for one, is a religion of zero accoutnability.
Where they can do anything they want, create plausible deniablity by saying “oh those aren’t real christians”
And when all else fails, the god forgives because his son died for our sins bullshit.
Momentum, the shit has been grandfathered in and is tolerated because “that’s the way it is”.
It could not be created in a modern society, but it can be handed over to children that don’t know no better.
because history had proven that you don’t wanna mess with people who puts emotion and blind faith first.
Because they organize massive amounts of people and resources, and thus have an outsized ability to bully people they disagree with.
Honestly, I really think religion was cooked up to control the masses. The ancients wanted to keep the status quo so certain demographics were certainly more oppressed than others like lgbq+ and of course, women.
To quote Schuler,
“Expecting only perfect people to go to church is like expecting only healthy people to go to hospitals.”
At the risk of stating the obvious, the answer to your question is: Thousands of years of history.
If you want to understand why cultures/religions/etc. are the way they are, you have to learn history, and that’s more than anyone can easily cram into a reddit comment.
Alot of peoples religions are tied to their goverment so they get away with it
Do you have any examples?
I feel like it’s the same sentiment that people share when an older person says outdated things – people are stuck in their old ways, the whole “old dog doesnt learn new tricks” while people can 100% learn new things, they have to be willing to.
Also remember that religion in many places has been hand in hand with law probably for the larger part of human history. These things take time to change and most countries that are pulling away from religion have on just raken baby steps
The blind leading the blind.
Organised religion is for those too lazy to not outsource critical thinking. Therefore one is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
The problem is, the bottom of the barrel is vast and filled with those most easily controlled by those willing to manipulate and/or yell loudly.
It only gets a pass as long as it has critical mass. As soon as this critical mass is lost, so will support for excesses. The catholic church has been held accountable for child molestation to a (pitifully underwhelming) degree, shariah is basically deemed borderline mental illness in the West and so on.
Maybe at some point systemic tax evasion will also be addressed, but all corporations make this into a sport. Not just corporated religions.
No it’s cause of ppl changing the religion to fit their desires like Jesse died for our sins! So u what ever u want !
In islam ☪️ it’s different you have to follow islamic rules and be a good person and have god behavior so you get God forgiveness.
It’s the other way around.
Religion were ubiquitous throughout history, and then they gave way to atheism and all kinds of alternative unapproved behavior.
Humans are inherently religious and it took many centuries to partially get rid of that brain parasite.
Because there’s a lot of religious people??
Allowance of what? Religion gets bashed on consistently in these forums as a coping mechanism for hateful atheists. They over exaggerate the level of violence or vice that religion causes as a way to champion their self-righteous morals.
Like how people exaggerate God’s cruelty exterminating the Canaanite’s in war. That stuff was so mundane back then, who cares. But atheists brag about it being some Earth shattering event